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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 24, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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In the 80's I spent way too much time watching MTV (when it was good) and always wanted a FSR shirt. It was so simple, clean and demanding.
This just seemed like a shirt waiting to happen. I know John would be proud...
By the way, for you purists... the original shirt did say, "Frankie Say Relax" but after a while it became, "Frankie Says Relax" which just makes more sense grammatically.
url="http://www.shop.vershke.com/category.sc?categoryId=3"]http://www.shop.vershke.com/category.sc?categoryId=3[/url]
And remember... Always FREE SHIPPING and NO TAX!
While your there, check out the other new shirts!
LIMITED EDITION BRIDWELLFEST '10 (Funds go to the Bird.)
WHAT SONG ARE YOU LISTENING TO RIGHT NOW? (You have to see this one!)
CASTLE ROCK SPIRE
FACELIFT '09 (Funds go to the YCA.)
This AIN'T NO @%&#@ WIENIE ROAST
RUSSIAN ELECTROCUTION
and more to come this week!
Starting in 2010 we are donating 10% of our pre-tax profit (the lawyers said we had to write it that way) to the Yosemite Climbing Association and YOSAR. Other big corporations donate 1% and many do nothing but we like to think a bit bigger than that. (Exceptions to this rule are shirts produced for specific fund-raising events such as Facelift and BridwellFest '10)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:35pm PT
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Did you ever see Yabo climb? Relaxed is not the way I would have described his style- desperate but effective might be closer.
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:50pm PT
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You are fúcking kidding, right?
I believe Yabo would have nothing to do with this, and I spent a lot of time with him.
Not his personality, at all.
What next? A Bachar shirt?
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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Wanna handle the SushiFest t-shirts? :-)
and we still gotta settle up on some shirts. I still gotta get me an A5.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 24, 2010 - 06:58pm PT
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ihateplastic, A few questions. Did you know Yabo? Is there some kind of inside joke here? How do you know he would be proud? He is dead. Will the money made from these shirts go to someone that Yabo left behind, or is it for your own profit?
IMO it seems exploitive and tacky. Please explain. Peace.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 24, 2010 - 07:28pm PT
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I just came across the link to the Vershke Group and saw the B.A.T. shirts and DOLT shirts too. Sure, they look kinda cool, and maybe could be considered a tribute, but I just find it distasteful to exploit these dead individuals.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
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While I re-think this since there appear to be some here who object... let me state, for the record, that YES! I did know John. Quite well actually. I went to junior high and high school with him. Bouldered at Castle Rock and elsewhere with him. Hung out in the lounge seating area in his dad's theatre. Climbed in the Valley and the Meadows with him. So, yep... I knew John quite well.
Was John relaxed... not really a worthy question for those who knew him well. But neither was Frankie! It's called a "play on words."
This does not exploit John any more than a Che Guevara shirt/poster exploits Che after his death.
And since I forward some of these funds to climbing related non-profits and John spent so much of his life climbing I feel confident that he would not be offended.
However, since there appear to be a few here who might not quite get it, I will reconsider. Hell, makes the shirts super collectable!
As for JB shirts... perhaps you would like to hear about the full line of apparel John wanted to do called Bachar Equipment. He had wanted to do it for years. I was in deep discussion with him on this very matter less than 20 hours before his death. However, I will not be pursuing that since there are more cookies in the oven.
As always, thanks for the input!
P.S. I bet John and John are both relaxing as they look down on this thing called Supertopo.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 08:54pm PT
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There is another shirt on the boards with a fantastic portrait by Errett Allen... maybe I'll switch that in to settle the masses.
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Feb 24, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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I think people are missing the tongue-in-cheek element of the shirt.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 09:01pm PT
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Werlin... a very insightful mind!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Last clip of Lichen Lunch
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Feb 24, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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I got it right away, Simon....I think it's perfect.
If Yabo says relax, maybe you should, eh?
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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Blah, the Yabo shirt has to go.
Fidelman (Bulwinkle), help me here, also send me the print.
e-mail me about a different address to send it to.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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I think Yabo would be pleased, horrified, confused, embarrassed.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Feb 25, 2010 - 04:11am PT
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WTF???? total bullsh#t, exploition. . .
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:21am PT
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Simon - I think you need a shirt that says "LIGHTEN THE F*#& UP!!!"
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:34am PT
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**YABO
SAYS
WHY ?**
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:47am PT
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ihateplastic, who are you?
i prefer to know who i am talking to and not just a puter name..
i also agree this is bad taste and exploitation...
same goes for the man, JB..
while it is cool to cherish the memories, this is not cool..
kurt smith
smith/cosgrove
2012
not dead yet, so hold off on my t shirt
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 25, 2010 - 10:05am PT
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Perfect ST thread....
There is definitely a play on words there.
Bullwinkle, you take pictures of naked women climbing, which I think is great, but you shouldn't be telling anyone what is exploitation.
I'll take a Yabo shirt.
And yes, I knew Yabo too.
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dipper
climber
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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WIll the contest / postcard generated mailing list be used to send t-shirt catalogs out soon?
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Feb 25, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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For me- it's not a matter of getting it, or not getting it......it does Not sit right ... ..
i wonder what John's(Yabo's) family would say?...I also wonder- what the Woman in Yabo's life would say?
I would like to see Erretts art work...
jmho....
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
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survival, If you are implying that Bullwinkle is exploiting the models in his art you are so wrong.
Don't confuse the nude human form in nature with pornography.
As stated earlier, I think the Yabo and DOLT shirts in particular are in extremely poor taste. Knowing just a little about the history of John Yablonski and Bill Feuerer I know they were both troubled souls and chose to end their lives on their own terms. Roper's book Camp 4 even states that Dolt was despondent over his business among other things. So, if he was presumably having trouble making money for himself, how can one feel good about making money off his memory.
And 'word play' is a poor excuse for the Yabo shirts. Shame on the makers and consumers of these items. If you want to honor these visionaries, be original, like they were.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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I think a real cool photo of John would be nice enough without hurting anyone's sensibilities.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
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I don't have any problem with the Dolt t-shirts. Regardless of Dolt's personal issues, if he put a logo out there that he never copyrighted or has fallen out of use, it's in the public domain. I think you're mixing apples and oranges here.
As for the Yabo shirt, my first thought was how is Yabo's estate benefitting from this? While Yabo wasn't a celebrity on par with Elvis or Fred Astaire, he is a pretty well known climbing figure and he hasn't been gone that long. I don't see the shirt as disrespectful, but it does smack of someone benefitting from his personage. Having said that, every time someone sells or publishes a picture of him (think the recent Stonemaster book), are they making a contribution to his estate? I'd have to guess not.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Feb 25, 2010 - 01:58pm PT
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Baba Says Relax!
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Feb 25, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
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Simon, I get it, but Bullwinkle et al is right as usual. If you wanna put a band-aid on this, you could agree to donate 100% of the profits to the climbing community. I'll take some and even wear a t-shirt if you require.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Feb 25, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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There has been some criticism of whether the "Yabo says" tee-shirt is representative of what Yabo might actually say or whether it is tongue in cheek or whether it is something which even needs to be said at all (i.e. it is so obvious that it goes without saying)
and now we have leb weighing in on a topic that involves yabo.
approaching the nadir.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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That was nicely put...
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Feb 25, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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Leb, I admire your tenacity , but sometimes it's best not to say anything...no reply needed.
no disrespect intended.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 25, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
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This thread has potential.
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scuffy b
climber
Where only the cracks are dry
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Feb 25, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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I object to the tone from Smith and Cosgrove.
They seem to think that IHP is hiding his identity.
He has revealed his identity as often as cos and the kid.
Come on, you don't post as Scott Cosgrove. You don't state constantly that
that is your name. I know that your avatar and your name match because
I pay a little attention. If you paid any attention, you would
remember his name. You would have noticed many of his past connections
which he has written of in the past.
Get over the crazy notion that he is hiding something.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 04:45pm PT
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i object to objecting. but i love this thread so far.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 05:05pm PT
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Are we having fun yet?
...Yabo... was... not into capitalism at all
And yet he grabbed at the chance to make money climbing nude.
WTF???? total bullsh#t, exploition. . .
And yet you can read about John's climbing nude in Dean's book. Dean, did you get john's permission to publish nude photos of him?
...Bullwinkle et al is right as usual...
Wow, that must be nice to be so perfect.
All cost and profits should be clearly land (sic) out
Let me park my Bugatti first then I'll have my staff look into this. In the meantime, let's ask others how much their products cost and where "all" the "profits" are going.
...if you have talked to Yabo's family...
Yep. In fact, I would feel safe in saying I am probably the only person on this site who has talked to his family... all one surviving member who happily sent me photos, letters and other memorabilia for safe keeping. I think I'll call her again this afternoon...
I object to the tone from Smith and Cosgrove.
They seem to think that IHP is hiding his identity.
He has revealed his identity as often as cos and the kid.
Come on, you don't post as Scott Cosgrove. You don't state constantly that
that is your name.
Perhaps I should post my length and girth too so it can be compared in a schlong measuring debate. I always thought coz was a reason. No wait, that's cuz.
Love ya all!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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And my name is Simon King.
Both of John's parents are dead. I thought people knew that. The only surviving member of the family is his sister who I have had several conversations with over the past year.
You always talk like you're some movie star, IHP, your people you kill me!
Uhhh... references to that please?
"Your people... what do you mean your people?" Are you playing the race card?
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Robb
Social climber
The Greeley Triangle
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:17pm PT
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If it's really gonna be a Yabo shouldn't it say "Hey Man, You Got Any????"
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:35pm PT
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Mountain dog,
survival, If you are implying that Bullwinkle is exploiting the models in his art you are so wrong.
Don't confuse the nude human form in nature with pornography.
I didn't say a word about pornography. And yes his models are alive and they can give permission, and even enjoy it. He is still exploiting the nude form in nature. If you think people would buy the same numbers of calendars of those people in the same poses in baggy clothing, think again.
We tend to idealize our old friends too much. The Yabo I knew would do about anything for 50 bucks, including swimming over a waterfall.
If there's a big controversy, then Simon can pull the shirt, fine.
But for a bunch of people to come off all righteous about this thing is bullsh*t too.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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Gotta go with Survival on this one. Yabo would have a laugh about the fuss this one was causing. Who gets the proceeds from millions of Che t-shirts?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
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The Yabo shirt should say:
"Hey man, whatcha cookin'? heh heh...heh.."
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
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When do we get the Watusi T-shirt: "Who's got the rope?" or was it: "You guys got any rope?"
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
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I got one...
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Gene
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
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Yabo image used by permission of Bullwinkle.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Feb 25, 2010 - 06:04pm PT
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The release of "Two Tribes" also coincided with an extensive and iconic T-shirt marketing campaign during the British summer of 1984, featuring such slogans as "Frankie Say War! Hide Yourself" and "Frankie Say Relax Don't Do It!".
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Feb 25, 2010 - 06:12pm PT
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Survival writes: He is still exploiting the nude form in nature.
He is making beautiful art. Get real.
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Feb 25, 2010 - 06:32pm PT
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Look, the shirt just looks lame, okay?
The most common thing Yabo would say "Hey man, got a dimp"
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 08:56pm PT
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Brick... any guess as to how many "Frankie Says Relax" shirts were sold in the UK?
Over one million.
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Gene
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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The image I had posted earlier as a tribute to the memory of Yabo has been removed at the request of Bullwinkle, the copyright owner.
But now, I have DF's permission, so I'll repost.
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Feb 25, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
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who was Frankie?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 25, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
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My main exprience with Yabo was trying to replicate the infamous "Yabo start". Getting the most out of a piece of stone, great concept :-) If you have done Bob's Big Wedge you would understand...
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Feb 25, 2010 - 11:18pm PT
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J Werlin...Don't know if I remember you, but I could have been quoted as asking..."Who's holding the rope?" I've been on a Kinnaloa "T" Shirt already..."Lose your hair...and your mind will follow..." Yabo was a dear friend of mine, I think of him always!!
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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Now I'm wondering about those Kinnaloa 'this aint no weenie roast' ripoffs. Is Bruce Pottenger getting any compensation for his stolen idea? Like Dolt?
Is this another case of the logo not being copyrighted, so now it is public domain? If so, how sad.
Just because certain things are legal does not mean it's the right thing to do. I guess I always thought climbers as a group had higher values than most.
What ever happened to creativity and originality? I can't stand thieves, even if they are just stealing ideas.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:30am PT
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Never any thievery when I am involved.
I fully research ownership and rights before a shirt goes into production. My efforts to keep things above board have been well detailed over the past couple of years here on ST.
Sale of the DOLT shirts result in funds being sent to create churches and schools in ultra poor areas of South America. Why? Because the owners of the DOLT brand requested that happen. The shirts I am selling for Facelift '09 result in 100% of the money going to Ken. I don't make a dime. All other shirts generate funds for the YCA and this year I am adding YOSAR to the list of non-profits who I donate too.
I hope everyone will join me in donating to these worthwhile causes this year.
Love & Kisses...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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"Bag on Simon Day" will end at 11:59 PM Yosemite Time tonight, and we will then return to our regular programming.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:37am PT
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What about the Kinnaloa image? Public domain? Who gets that money?
And can't you come up with your own designs?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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Puppy...
Please read the above post regarding donations.
Yep, I do plenty of designing but I also love bringing memories back for people.
Is it midnight yet?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:51am PT
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"Is it midnight yet?"
Sure can be if you just set your clock ahead...
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:52am PT
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No it's not midnight yet. So for the third time what about the Kinnaloa shirt. Is Bruce P. getting compensated or does he even know about this? Please don't dodge this question a third time.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 01:11am PT
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I never dodge questions... But, I will be VERY careful about what I say about Bruce. Not due to anything to do with this design, but there are other reasons that some folks around here know about that are best left off these pages. Ask around...
I went the full mile and more-so in attempts to confer with Bruce. Countless phone calls that never picked up. Regular USPS mail messages that were all retuned "undeliverable." Contacting old acquaintances, etc. All without luck. He is the sole exception to my rule of getting full clearance. If he steps forward and objects this design will be pulled without any fanfare.
Next? There are still a couple of hours left...
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:13am PT
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Simon does good work.
He donates money.
He has detailed his relationship with Yabo.
He has spoken with Yabo's sister.
He means no disrespect to anyone, most of all Yabo.
There is no disrespect here.
Chill out gang.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Under the Macabre Roof
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:14am PT
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Wet blanket, anyone? anyone? Bueller?
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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No need to ask around. I know/knew B.P. personally. You just admitted to stealing his idea. This type of opportunism makes me sick. I am done with this lame T-SH#T thread.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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Bye-bye.
Oh wait...Next time you see the guy you "knew"... have him contact me.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:40am PT
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MD had a woodie for this before the B.P. question came up.
Maybe he'll go flog that bad doggie into submission!
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 02:53am PT
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OK, If you as#holes want to get that nasty I will re-enter. Survival, if you want to engage me in idiotic teenage insults, your mother can flog me. Billygoat, I think Coz has his sh#t together and is right on with his opinions on this subject.
If this was a real campfire I can guarantee there would be blood. And after that kind of name calling I'm sure it would be billygoat blood.
There is nothing clever about being a copycat or idea stealer. Not name calling here, but stating facts.
The Yabo, Dolt, and Kinnaloa shirt ideas are ripoffs and disrespectful.
Please, someone throw another wet blanket on this flaming travesty of a thread.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 26, 2010 - 02:57am PT
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Wow, what started our harmlessly enough resulted in napalm?
Whoa, vitriol is soooo relaaaxing!
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adam d
climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Mountain Dog, you did just threaten blood in a thread about t-shirts.
T shirts.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:02am PT
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I sure did.
This is way more than a T-shirt thread. It's a thread about ripping off dead climbers and another climber/gear maker who wants to be left alone.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:55am PT
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Mountain Dog
Not knowing Yabo or Simon or you, I am amazed at your vitriolic rantings about this endeavor? It appears you have many bones of contention and you are indeed having a bad day. I think most of the participants in this discussion have been quite frank in their emotions and have adapted to the revelations presented.
You, I am afraid have not benefited from any of this. So, do you really think you have any idea what Dolt would think about this? Obviously not! So, my suggestion is to STFU before you make more a fool of yourself than you already have.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 04:52am PT
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Guido, It's actually been a good day. I smelled a rat here from the beginning and just wanted to get more info. And give my frank opinions. I never got vitriolic until ihateplastic evaded my questions about B.P. (whom he admits to trying to get permission from and failing, but doing what he wanted to anyway) and other people start getting nasty to me and others.
If you think that makes me a fool I can take it. I am not here to fight/argue but to learn the truth. But I won't back down from a fight if I believe my cause is just. Any more name callers out there? C'mon, give me your best shot.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 26, 2010 - 05:44am PT
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Here's my take on this;.....I suppose it's good to exchange ideas, let off some steam, and purge.....that said....
Simon is trying to be up front with everything;....and to keep it light-hearted and good-natured.....something to appreciate and respect.
I personally appreciate him helping out with the Bridwellfest shirts;....don't get too worked up about anything and forget to support this awesome cause.
Yabo is gone;.....so is Dolt and Bachar.....but we all still have strong feelings for our lost and departed brothers;...that is our common ground and something we all share.
In this day and age,....things are tough for alot of us;...anything we can do to help each other out.....is usually a good thing;......it's probably a good idea to help each other though it all.....and if money can be made for any of us (us climber types).....that is a good thing;....
I don't believe Pottenger is still making t-shirts;.....if he was;....it probably wouldn't be too cool to compete with him using his own design;....but like out of print books......I think it's OK to keep the spirit alive......Bruce is a fun loving guy with a great sense of humor;....and I don't think Simon is getting rich off of Bruce's cool art work....( I still have a few kinnaloa shirts, even the M. Paul bald head one......it's an awesome shirt...).
Yabo owes me $65 .....he was at my house in J. Tree for days trying to sell a rope to get gas money home to Santa Cruz..everyday;..he bugged me to loan him money...but I refused, as I was saving for a trip to Peru......after many days...I finally loaned him the money to get home.....I never collected the debt....Yabo was oftentimes a keyed up fellow...but he also had a sweetside,.....I've seen him very relaxed too....we miss him, and his spirit still lives on in our thoughts, our respect, and our lessons on life and inspiration he shared with us .....this thread is a testiment to the spirit and influence Yabo had and still has with us and our community of kindred spirits.....Climbers are a sharing group for the most part;...share a beer, a rope, a place to sleep, some beta, a ride, a smoke, a campfire, a buck, a good word;....and yeah;..we freely share our thoughts and our ideas, and alot of our feelings are tied to strong emotional issues........I appreciate this sharing community, and we must remember that the cyber-campfire conversations aren't quite the same as our real lawn-chair types around real campfires..............(it is after midnight, isn't it...).....climb on ..and thanks for sharing;.......that's all....
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 26, 2010 - 07:51am PT
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why not make a shirt that say's "i've climbed Yabo arete"!
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:11am PT
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Wow...
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:15am PT
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Survival, if you want to engage me in idiotic teenage insults, your mother can flog me. m.d. I promise my mother will do a better job than your sister did...
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:27am PT
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Watusi-- it was long ago, the month of April, 1985, HVCG--I was in the site next door for that month. "holding the rope" --I knew I didn't have it right. All the best, mate.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:46am PT
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It's a new day, really like the Bridwell shirts
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Feb 26, 2010 - 10:13am PT
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J Werlin...Best to you as well! My memories are failing a bit, perhaps too much "Rope" by chance? Peace, MP.
ps. Mr. Gordon is always quite eloquent!
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Buggs
Trad climber
Corrales, New Mexico
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Feb 26, 2010 - 10:30am PT
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Mountain poodle.
From my heart to your ears, you make a crack about Bruce's mother again, and when I find you,
you'll wish you hadn't.
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drljefe
climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
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Feb 26, 2010 - 10:34am PT
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Me too jbro.
What a sh!tstorm this turned into.
I think the shirt is lame, purely because of the Frankie thing. Honoring Yabo with a sick shirt would be cool.
What really gets me was the dude who's panties got all bunched up..." I thought we as climbers stood for higher values", and bitching about legalities...(good thing he wasn't on the lot at a Dead show!)
Whatever happened to climbers being rebellious, and breaking some rules?
Guess that guy's never commando camped, eluded a ranger, snuck something from the cafeteria, etc...
Simon follows the rules, for the most part. Can't help him with his penchant for lame 80s crap, though.
Just honor Yabo with a cooler design, Simon.
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Buggs
Trad climber
Corrales, New Mexico
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Feb 26, 2010 - 10:41am PT
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Oh and about the shirt. Never knew Yabo. Have heard many, many stories of him. Honor him. Understanding these stories, I immediately saw the irony, the humor, the honor of a well-known and loved member of the tribe. His passing was his choice. As is our choice to choose the craft and paths that we love, which has many times resulted in our deaths. And will again. And again. Impermanence. Is that the right word Werner? George Harrison, "All Things Must Pass." Love every moment of the NOW. That is all you get. This ain't no weinie roast, nor is it a dress rehearsal.
Profits should go to those in need, charity, or a good cause. I'll take two shirts.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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billygoat... thanks. I did read it the wrong way, but now I understand your meaning.
Before I weigh in this morning, I need my tea and yogurt.
Things to look forward to:
1. A coupon!
2. A second YABO shirt that has no 80's feel to it!
3. A call for peace and harmony.
In the meantime...
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1100455/What_did_I_just_buy
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 11:33am PT
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Okay, yogurt and tea done...
As promised...
A COUPON!!!!
To honor my dear friend Mountain Dog I am offering 20% off any Yabo Says Relax shirt!
The coupon starts now and ends at Monday morning when I wake up.
Just enter YABOLIVES during checkout and the discount will be taken.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 11:45am PT
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Now, about Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
While they may not have had the success that mainstream bands like U2 had, FGTH did all right.
Were they a one-hit wonder? Well... The band had THREE singles at number one in the charts and a fourth at number two and a fifth at number four. "Relax" was the seventh best selling UK hit ever and they were only the second band in UK history to reach number one on the charts with three singles. Even after their decline in popularity they had singles in the top five! Overall, this "one-hit wonder" band sold more than six million albums. Not as many as the Dead perhaps, but not too shabby.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Feb 26, 2010 - 11:46am PT
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The only solution to all this arguing is obviously a cage-fight.
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Feb 26, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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This IS a cagefight
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billygoat
climber
Pees on beard to seek mates.
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Feb 26, 2010 - 11:56am PT
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Coz--I've been in the same room with you before. Don't really feel the need to do that again. You seem more interested in the "who knew Yabo more" dick measuring competition than an actual discussion. Actually, based on your stance on other threads, that sorta seems how you approach everything. So, no, I don't really need to engage in an ego battle with you. I got my own ego to duke it out with, and that's enough for now.
Simon, thanks for being the voice of reason in these parts. You stand tall among a bunch of blow hards, and that's a hard job to accomplish anywhere (let alone on the taco stand).
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:05pm PT
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Mountain Dog...
Since you had difficulty comprehending my earlier post, let me go into full detail on the DOLT shirt. Not that I need to--this is a business, not a co-operative--but just, as an example, so you can see what I go through to do things right.
The original DOLT logo is iconic. It was before my time but from a purely design aesthetic, the logo is timeless. I recognized this last year and started asking around as to who owned the rights. I went deep into the history of climbing and spoke with everyone from Robbins, Chouinard, Lauria, Calderwood, Caldwell and several others who knew Bill in an attempt to get a lead to the legal rights owner. Don Lauria was kind enough to supply a patchy link to the husband and wife who acquired the rights to the DOLT brand out of probate court back in the 1970s. Another two weeks of research led me to these fine people in Nevada. Not only were they excited to see the logo used on shirts, they sent me original DOLT artwork, Bill's poetry, his patents, and other paraphernalia. (Yes, all of it will eventually be sent to the YCA museum when I finish drooling on it.) Hell, I have one item that is so effin unbelievable it gives me wood!
But I digress...
In return for licensing the DOLT brand these folks wanted me to make donation (based on sales) to their charitable school/church building work for the ultra-poor in South America. Since I already donate a percentage of everything I sell, (did you tithe today, Mountain Dog?) this was a no-brainer.
Now, what was that about my work being disrespectful and a ripoff?
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Chief
climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:09pm PT
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When I first saw the title of this thread I thought, WTF? and gave it a miss. Then my curiosity got the best of me and I had a read.
I knew John and while I never tied into a rope with Yabo I was a frequent participant in his "Ark Larks". Yabo never said "Relax".
More likely it was, "Got a smoke?"
Now if I saw someone wearing a T shirt that said;
"Arc On With The Power of the Burnouts of Gore"!
I'd definitely think of Yabo.
This other thing reeks of travesty.
Show the brother some respect.
Rest in Peace Yabo!
Perry Beckham
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:31pm PT
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I just received a very nice letter from someone who posts here. To be honest, many of you have written directly to me to express your support. This letter sticks out... To protect the writer's annonymity (you will see why) I have deleted his name toward the end.
Dear Simon,
I saw the shitstorm on the Taco about the Yabo Says Relax shirts and
just wanted to give you some support, but I am a pussy to post on that
thread because, well, I'm just a wanker who didn't know Yabo, can't
pull down harder than those defending his misinterpreted honour and
thus would be pushed aside swiftly. As I said, I didn't know Yabo, but
know enough about him to think his ego wouldn't get in the way of
this. I do know you however, even though only virtually and I know
that you work a lot with the climbing shirt designs, always seek
permission and while you maybe make some money on these designs you
also donate decent coinage to climbing causes.
I know if someone would make a shirt or poster of any of my good
friends and climbing partners who have passed away (self-inflicted or
otherwise), maybe even giving a few bucks to the climbing community, I
would see it as a way of honouring their memory and not as blasphemy.
Maybe some think the design is lame, maybe some feel offended, but to
them XXXX (edit by Simon) Says Relax.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
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Simon,
maybe a "Yabo, never forgotten" or some such design that his many friends saw as ultimately respectful would calm the storm?
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:39pm PT
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Bruce, I like that line..... it shows respect..
i had to laugh at the Chief's quote..".Got a smoke?" ..... That's the line in my memory bank...;-)
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
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Survival... the shirt that Coz, Mountain Dog and others will be wearing to their next wine and cheese gathering will be announced as soon as I get finished with the Photoshop work... Before lunch.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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Thanks Nita.
Yeah, "Got a smoke?" is probably the one that sticks with everyone eh?
I know controversy sells stuff, has always been in climbing and sometimes like this, is even a little fun. But I hate to see all this back biting amongst the tribe here.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 26, 2010 - 12:52pm PT
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Mountain Dog
If this were a real campfire, there wouldn't be blood.
Who are you, anonymous? Big enough man to throw punches in a hypothetical situation but still enough of a coward to hide.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
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I also thought that pic of GDavis looked like Sean Penn just before he wipes the floor with some paparazzi's arse. Now I know it's true!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:00pm PT
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Coz
I don't always agree with you, but I always agree with the way you say it. YOu are a classy dude. Someday, hopefully long off, when I'm ninety years old, I can wear a "Coz" T-Shirt!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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300 dollar jeans? Holy smokes Coz, somebody's got more scratch than I do...
I've got no rub with you either man, just a few too many getting up on the sacred memory horse around here.
I think Yabo would've said bring it on, where's my free shirts?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 01:28pm PT
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You always talk like you're some movie star... - Coz.
A white button down and three hundred dollar jeans are more my speed. - Coz
Fish in a barrel...
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^LOL........he lost all credibility with the jeans thing!! ha!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 01:30pm PT
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I think you should take into account that many of John's friends are offended...
I was one of John's friends... knew him before you were born. And, his surving family member has no issue.
I won't be buying your shirt.
OH NO! What ever will I do?????
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
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drljefe, I am as anti-establishment/dirtbag climber as they come. Also, if I show you all my Dead show ticket stubs will that prove it to you?
Buggs bunny, Let me know when your in the Tahoe region so we can go 'dancing'.
I must say the insults here are very creative! Keep them coming! Maybe they will inspire IHP to come up with something original.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
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Original, No...I'm just a Porcupine. That fits my prickly personality just fine.
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Feb 26, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
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How 'bout a mountain porcupine shirt? I haven't seen that one yet.
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:11pm PT
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It's too bad that this idea of a t shirt rattles people so much. It seems harmless to me, but I did not know Yabo. So, I propose another t shirt.
Howzabout "Derek says, when in doubt, run in out."
Of course, you'll first have to get my permission, because I knew him longer than any of y'all, climbed with him for many years, and know his parents (only his mother is still alive). For the record, my length and girth surpass yours'.
Also, I will expect that 10% of the proceeds go to Eldorado Canyon State Park, and 10% of the proceeds also go to my beer fund.
I will negotiate terms.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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Remember... it's all...
Now, for all the playa haters... a shirt you can wear with pride! Honor the man. But first, let's make sure all is explained so no one gets their thong sucked in too tight.
The photo of John is by Errett Allen who has given full permission to use it. Here are the actual words from his letter to me.
Simon
Cool. I’m happy to let you have the image – Yabo Lives!!
The lightning Bolt is based exactly on the bolt that is on John's vision, Midnight Lightning. I took the photo many a year a go so it may be slightly different now. I have given myself full permission to use the image as long as it is worn with $300 jeans.
Why orange and black? John and I went to Los Gatos High School together and our school colors were orange and black. Besides, those colors go well with $300 jeans.
Yes, the image is temporarily superimposed on the model's shirt. So, no it is not the absolute finished product. I still need to get this artwork printed. I haven't been able to go to the printers because I don't have $300 jeans.
The font used was purchased by me so I have full rights to use it.
No mountain dogs were harmed in the making of this original design.
Yes, you can use the YABOLIVES coupon to purchase this shirt but only from today until I wake up Monday. Just enter YABOLIVES during checkout.
Here is the link:
http://www.shop.vershke.com/category.sc;jsessionid=9522D08C115FC8689BC04461F2A26637.qscstrfrnt04?categoryId=3
Here is the shirt:
Here is an angry dog:
I did a seach for "Coz" and these guys came up. Don't ask me, I just found it. (NOTE: Not sure the second one is a guy. And... don't stare too long at the first one!)
These are some expensive jeans:
Jeans that were not expensive enough:
No jeans, but I like these photos.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:24pm PT
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The dog on the right is waaaay cooler looking!
I found this under Caucasian Mountain Dog.
Of course this one is way meaner than ours.
At least his girlfriend has a good grip on him.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:28pm PT
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hot damn I need to buy better jeans!
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Feb 26, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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This thread has legs!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 04:01pm PT
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Perhaps as long as, "What song..." or, Heaven forbid, that one about Republlicans!
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 04:36pm PT
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These shirts are, at best, an inside joke apparently only some insiders even get. Anyone else, why would they want this? You might try something more universal for fundraising...
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Buggs
Trad climber
Corrales, New Mexico
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Feb 26, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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To the dog of the mountain...Love dancing. Do they have a polka club there in Tahoe?
Like the discussion, not much for the dog fight banter.
And don't like mothers being brought into c*#k fights.
Especially Survival's. Mountain Dog, maybe you should apologize.
I'll take two Yabo shirts in whatever form they come in...
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Chief
climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
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Good example of a bad tile.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 06:55pm PT
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"YABO SAYS RELAX"
What's the problem? I don't understand what the problem is.
Why are people upset? I don't understand.
WTF IS THE FUKING PROBLEM ???????????????
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Gene
Social climber
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Feb 26, 2010 - 06:56pm PT
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the Whale Tale Jeans
Thanks, DMT. Very descriptive.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Feb 26, 2010 - 07:06pm PT
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Met J Y a handful of times bitd. Got to know J B in the last year of his life. Know J B had some ideas and concepts about a clothing line. But he had for quite a few years. Just never pursued it to make it really happen. At least that's the take I got.
As far as making coin to survive in these days.....I doubt either man would fault bros for trying to make ends meet and survive. We ALL should be pulling together. Hey, when we are dead and gone what's really gonna matter, helping bros or sitting back and criticizing ? jess wonderin'. lynnie
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Feb 26, 2010 - 07:09pm PT
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Werner wrote: WTF IS THE FUKING PROBLEM ???????????????
I'm with you buddy, but you should know by now...Online, it's always something. If it aint' one thing, it's another.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
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Werner puts it in perspective. Thank you.
Now, what was that question about capitalizing on the dead? Perhaps funds for photo usage are going to John's sister?
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Feb 26, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
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I have to add that I like the "Yabo lives" better, but that's just my opinion...In my heart Yabo lives forever! Plus that's an ace photo of him grinning on the back...The way I'll always remember him! Peace folks! MP.
edit: I wanted to add a shoutout to my ol' friend Coz, hope you are well brother, it's been a while...
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Nick
climber
portland, Oregon
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Feb 26, 2010 - 09:21pm PT
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I am not sure what all the fuss is about. Perhaps the saying is not completely out of character. I was hanging in JT one winter and Yabo needed a ride into town to pick up a check form his parents. I gave him a ride into town and he bought me lunch. A few years later I was marooned in the Valley with absolutely nothing. I called my girl in Santa Cruz to come rescue me. She shows up four hours later with no wallet. We are hanging in the parking lot trying to figure out what to do, Yabo wanders by and I tell him of our plight. He promptly says I'll get you some money and he starts walking around the parking lot shaking down various climbers for a few bucks. I don't remember if he told me to relax, but it is not out of the question.
Never before published , not so good photo of Yabo on the right O'Kelleys Crack.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Feb 27, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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Shoutout to Nick B. cool captcha of the one man tribe on O'Kelley's! Peace bro!!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Your bump will help move them Sue, Simon thanks you!
Simon, thanks for pulling out an otherwise embarrassing thread out of the mud with those pics up there, as usual, Werner showed up talking sense like he always does. As in, whats the problem. If someone don't like the shirt, don't buy it.
We need a Werner shirt, front: "WHAT'S THE PROBLEM" (Spoken loudly of course:-).
on the Back, Ouchs cartoon of that great pic of Werner soloing Reeds above, Fires and tube socks, modified with the Twinkies to his ear and Bear 46 reaching out to grab them from him:-)
Oh, link: http://www.shop.vershke.com/category.sc?categoryId=3
Simons daugher, obviously NOT a Dolt.
I have the Steve Gropp Hollow Flake shirt which you donated all the profits to Yos. Climbing Assoc., but I haven't gotten up the courage to wear it yet. I wanted to thank you for doing that, I sent Ken Yeager some money directly as well. I really appreciate his work to preserve the heritage of early climbers, and your support of him was a nice reminder.
How about doing Polypro shirts instead of cotton, it rains in Oregon ya know:-) (look outside yer window)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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whoa.... insane. Since posting my request to have Simon take over SushiFest t-shirts this turned into quite the shitstorm.
I spoke with Simon yesterday (was the first time) and it looks like the SushiFest shirts will be handled by him. He asked if I wanted "a cut" and I said "hell no". YCA, Yosar.... whoever he chooses gets the cut.
And I must say after reading the thread I disagree with the 50:50 comment. It's more like 80:20 in support of Simon.
And dammit if I didn't just finish three bags of popcorn reading this whole thread.
oh yeah... work.
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Binks
Social climber
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A Werner shirt could say "Don't be anal".
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
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SueV PHD...
I see you still have these on your website. Bet you've sold.... er,, none? I'd give them away to the Goodwill, and move on...
Using this logic... I guess I have not sold any Bridwellfest shirts. I guess I have not sold any Hollowflake shirts. I guess I have not sold any DOLT shirts. I guess I have not sold any B.A.T. shirts. I guess I have not sold any "What Song Are You Listening To Right Now?" shirts. I guess I have not sold any (fill in the blank) shirts.
However, since donations have been made to the YCA, YOSAR, and the ASCA as well as Blue Planet Run that just doesn't make any sense.
You know Dr. Sue, I could tell you posted, my Crackberry dinged and I checked... another order! I guess someone bumped something. Thanks so much for your help!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
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TKingsbury... Patience...
That is a holding spot for the soon to be announced addition to the site. That's right, soon you will have a place to get your precious Moses, Trango, Fixé, Frostworks, Ironclad gloves and a few other hardware lines AND see a part of the purchase go straight to YOSAR, YCA and ASCA. Also... FREE SHIPPING! Also... NO TAX!
Anyway, I will announce that to the ST crowd later this month (whoops... I guess I just sorta did that.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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"The Evil One"
Shirt would sell nicely....
jus' sayin'.....
wait.... wait wait....!
I got a good one....
"Nature is my hero".
I do want 100% of the profits. I mean... I figure you'll only sell one and that would be to me so it's like I get my money back or something. something....
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Just fvckin around a bit IHP
Friday funday!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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I want a **Donini Says F*ck Off!** shirt...
Or a Werner Says $7,000 A Pitch shirt....
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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"I want a **Donini Says F*ck Off!** shirt...
Or a Werner Says $7,000 A Pitch shirt.... "
Classic stuff...
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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I like it Rox....
even locker would wear one of those....
i think that's an Ouch!ism.
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