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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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My thread title could certainly be more clear and accurate but I can't change that at this point..
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 12, 2013 - 04:31am PT
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My thread title could certainly be more clear and accurate but I can't change that at this point..
ROFL....
"Clarity and accuracy" have as a necessary prerequisite actual knowledge.
(And some basic intellectual honesty.)
But, you know, carry on. You are, after all, the "historian." And, as any contemporary historian knows, facts are not to be too seriously sought after, being the chimeras that they are.
At least the original articles themselves contain useful and interesting information, even if often wrapped in your "unclear and inaccurate" and sometimes flat-out wrong "take" on them. So, you perform a useful service in spite of yourself. LOL
In this case, bump for a thread about Patagonia, which is genuinely bad-ass and worth hearing about, despite the packaging.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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Honesty certainly isn't one of your strengths, Richard.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 12, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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ROFL....
Facts are what they are. In your case, pesky little things that flee far away when you are (supposedly) searching diligently for them, yet that show up in the darndest places to smack you upside the head when you least expect them.
Often publicly.
No apology for your condescending pontificating of earlier upthread?
No?
Pffffttt
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 12, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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You're a real dickhead, huh madbolter?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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Great article Blakey.
Missed it first time around.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 12, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Last night I had this revelation, like I had finally realized something I'd been missing all along. I should climb Cerro Torre. I got really excited about it then got on the internet at work to check it out. Probably the hardest summit in the world, hmmm ... Bivies are ledges you have to chop into 90 degree ice. Never did that before. Everybody seems to have to weather out a storm with no tent. Weird. Runout 5.11 face with technical loose rock sections for aid, at the top is a huge thing like a dandilion made out of snow, that you have to chop a tunnel into. Bizarre. Well, there's no doubt it's too hard for me and always will be. I might have been able to clip those compressor bolts just for the experience of being up there, but even with global warming its not happening.
Cerro Torre Trip Report
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Mar 12, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
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Bridwell and Brewer's ascent shows that the big advances are made in the mind as much as the body. What vision!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 12, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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Sideways bump...
If you stay at the Latitude 49 B&B in El Chalten (just around the corner from
the pizza joint) you have all these cool pics and articles on the walls!
The owner's dad was on the Ferrari expedition. I didn't get a chance to
meet him and dad has passed. I'm sure Rolo knows him.
I forget which 'Spider' is/was the owner's papa.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 12, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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Very cool post, Reilly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 12, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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I really like this one:
The Italian paper trumpets Maestri while the caption reads:
"His supposed first ascent of Cerro Torre has never been authenticated"
I don't know exactly who worded the caption.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Mar 12, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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Is it fair to compare Maestri to Warren Harding?
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orle
climber
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Mar 12, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
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fair to compare? sure why not. is this the right place for a maestri vs harding comparison? maybe not.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Mar 12, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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That is a really interesting disconnect. Makes you wonder what people knew at that time, or at least suspected, about him. Or is it a cultural thing to express a bit of doubt that way? I'm certainly clueless but find it fascinating.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Mar 12, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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Harding would not have quit at the ice. He would have tried to summit.
I'm sure Harding was more fun to be around
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Mar 12, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
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Very interesting that newspaper cover... what year was that published? I can't make out the date in the enlargement.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 13, 2013 - 12:55am PT
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Greg, I'm sure that paper was out soon after the climb. I looked at my
original file and can't make it out - it was a really lousy copy.
The caption reads "Rumbo a la cumbre del San Lorenzo en 1943"
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Mar 13, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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Reilly, are those framed pics hanging on a Chalten wall? Someone told me about a restaurant down there with a bunch of old ones.
And love your pic of the Torre! what a hill.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 13, 2013 - 11:07am PT
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As I said on the last page they are on the walls of the Latitude 49 B&B
owned by the son of one of the Lecco Spiders. As I recall most of the pics
are in the common area so you could just walk in there and check them out.
The son is rarely there, as his wife runs the place, so I never got to speak
to him.
It doesn't seem like there was much of a 'mushroom' in Feb 2011, does it?
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