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RyanD

climber
Squamish
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:02am PT
Wow Bruce! I've been waiting for you to post up on this thread again.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:07am PT
Here's the Zuni - Japanese book I mentioned above and forgot to post.


The Zuni Enigma: A Native American People's Possible Japanese Connection
Nancy Yaw Davis

http://www.amazon.com/Zuni-Enigma-American-Possible-Connection/dp/0393322300/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352091897&sr=1-1&keywords=Zuni+and+Japanese
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:09am PT
srbphoto-

That video looks like a bear to me if I ever saw one. They do stand on their hind legs quite often and that's what we saw the back of.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:32am PT
according to the the guy who shot the video, it was looking at them (i am assuming they saw the eyes). to me it looked a lot broader in the shoulders than a bear. bears have relativly big heads and their shoulders,waist and hips tend to be around the same size. If you freeze the video it appears to have a small head and broad shoulders. Of course it's fall and the bears have been fattening up for fall. more likely than not a bear but still a cool video.

I wish people would stop filming stuff with phones and buy real cameras :)

bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Nov 24, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
breaking news ....

'Bigfoot' DNA Sequenced In Upcoming Genetics Study
Five-Year Genome Study At DNA Diagnostics Yields Evidence of Homo sapiens/Unknown Hominin Hybrid Species in North America

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/11/prweb10166775.htm

A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch,” living in North America. Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.

The study was conducted by a team of experts in genetics, forensics, imaging and pathology, led by Dr. Melba S. Ketchum of Nacogdoches, TX. In response to recent interest in the study, Dr. Ketchum can confirm that her team has sequenced 3 complete Sasquatch nuclear genomes and determined the species is a human hybrid:

“Our study has sequenced 20 whole mitochondrial genomes and utilized next generation sequencing to obtain 3 whole nuclear genomes from purported Sasquatch samples. The genome sequencing shows that Sasquatch mtDNA is identical to modern Homo sapiens, but Sasquatch nuDNA is a novel, unknown hominin related to Homo sapiens and other primate species. Our data indicate that the North American Sasquatch is a hybrid species, the result of males of an unknown hominin species crossing with female Homo sapiens.

Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini, which includes all members of the genus Homo. Genetic testing has already ruled out Homo neanderthalis and the Denisova hominin as contributors to Sasquatch mtDNA or nuDNA. “The male progenitor that contributed the unknown sequence to this hybrid is unique as its DNA is more distantly removed from humans than other recently discovered hominins like the Denisovan individual,” explains Ketchum.

“Sasquatch nuclear DNA is incredibly novel and not at all what we had expected. While it has human nuclear DNA within its genome, there are also distinctly non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. We describe it as a mosaic of human and novel non-human sequence. Further study is needed and is ongoing to better characterize and understand Sasquatch nuclear DNA.”
Ketchum is a veterinarian whose professional experience includes 27 years of research in genetics, including forensics. Early in her career she also practiced veterinary medicine, and she has previously been published as a participant in mapping the equine genome. She began testing the DNA of purported Sasquatch hair samples 5 years ago.

Ketchum calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the Sasquatch as an indigenous people:

“Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a ‘license’ to hunt, trap, or kill them.”

Full details of the study will be presented in the near future when the study manuscript publishes.

Dr. Ketchum is available for interview or to answer further questions about the Sasquatch genome study and associated research on novel contemporary hominins at media(at)dnadiagnostics(dot)com


I will post more information as it becomes available
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 24, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
As mentioned before, the concept of a 'minimum viable population' is pretty inviolate here and for there to be real sightings for decades it would in fact require a MVP of reasonable numbers in any one locale. For sightings in different states that would mean MVPs in each locale unless they are traveling 'interdimensionally' between locales.

If this were a real genetic study it would be done in an academic setting and there wouldn't be the total lack of transparency and detail about the sample or studies as there is in this case. It's still pseudo-science at its history channel best.
telemon01

Trad climber
Montana
Nov 24, 2012 - 09:14pm PT

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/27/man-trying-to-create-bigfoot-sighting-killed-in-montana/
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
DNA is either mtDNA from the mother or Y-DNA from the father. Never heard of nuDNA before. The rest of it uses the right terms and is interesting if true and not out of the realm of possibility since we are discovering more and more species of ancient Homo. So far there are four confirmed species descended from Homo erectus (neandethal, denisovan, floresiensis, sapiens).

Since the founder of Oxford Ancestors, a bonafide DNA lab based at Oxford University in England is also sampling supposed sasquatch and yeti specimens from around the world, we should have some answers within five years. And the Oxford results will be transparent for sure.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 24, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
Unsurprisingly, a google search for "nuDNA genetics" turns up a single hit - wanna guess for what?
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
Good one Jim!

After doing my own googling, I discovered that nuDNA means nuclear DNA which means nothing really since all DNA is taken from a cell nucleus. It's a nice cover however for the fact that all the DNA they've sampled is female (mitochondrial)and that DNA is human. The rest of the DNA they're extrapolating from is the complete human genome which is known to contain a lot of so called junk DNA, some of it from parasites, bacteria, and viruses that ingratiated themselves into our systems in the past.

Some modern Europeans have been found to contain about 4% neanderthal DNA so it's not out of the realm of possibility that all modern human groups have individuals who carry DNA from past species of homonins. If that's what they have discovered in Texas then it would indicate that there is yet another species of Homo in Asia that has not yet been discovered which managed to breed with some of the ancestors of Native Americans. That would be a very interesting finding if true, but does nothing to prove sasquatch and has the potential for racist implications if they try to present it that way.
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
see http://www.genetics.org/content/172/2/733 for a brief nuDNA primer for the intellectual poseurs on this thread.

On the nuDNA side of things what is most interesting is these 'non' types.. non-human, non-archaic hominin, and non-ape sequences. The male progenitor, where are they now and / or who were they ? More questions raised than answered here for me.

This isn't a question of belief anymore, a significant amount of seriously hard data is now behind all this, the subject no longer be refuted by anyone of a credible academic stature

The paper is yet to be published so we know very little at this point
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
Just be patient, I am not in the loop except for the fact samples I submitted qualified. The publishing Journal requires itself to be the bearer of the news. They were looking for track pictures back in August, one of mine may be used in the article, but not from the above shots which were taken on my last trip to Stave Lake, specifically was gunning for the cover shot track on that adventure.


Might go back there this week for another look
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Nov 24, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
Hominins are members of the taxonomic grouping Hominini,

there is another offshoot called Doninini...
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 25, 2012 - 04:24am PT
15k years is a veritable sneeze. The odds of a 15k year old primate ancestor or contemporary species in NA is absolutely zero. Ridiculous in every respect.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 25, 2012 - 07:02am PT
Not necessarily.

We know that Homo erectus made it to Indonesia and north China so it's possible some of them could have crossed over to the new world.

We also know from both DNA and linguistics that there were several waves of Homo sapiens settlers from Asia. It's very unlikely but possible, that some sapiens interbred with one of the descendant species of H. erectus similar to but not the same as H. denisova.

Homo neanderthals were in Europe until 27,000 years ago so it's not inconceivable that other descendants of Homo erectus were in the Americas even longer. Unlikely but possible.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 25, 2012 - 10:48am PT
Jan, with all due respect, humans lost their hair somewhere back around a million years ago. The idea that a large primate with long, thick hair and without substantive tool use made the journey to the Americas in relatively recent time is beyond a reach. Doubly so due the bottlenecking effect of the land bridge which would have brought them into competition with humans.

Earlier still they would have had to compete with Neanderthals and Denisovans as well. And really, what's the likelyhood of a sasquatch-like creature competing well enough to survive to today with an intact minimum viable population? If Denisovans and tool-using Neanderthals didn't make it, it's pretty much a no-brainer that no sasquatchians population survived either. I also doubt any such creature has ever existed as described, certainly not in the last several hundred thousand years.

If they did exist, and managed to maintain a minimum viable population into the modern era, we would know all about them, would have bones, bodies, and no doubt live captives. It just fails basic biological and ecological credibility tests on all fronts no matter how much some folks want to believe in them.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 25, 2012 - 11:58am PT
We know that Homo erectus made it to Indonesia and north China so it's possible some of them could have crossed over to the new world.

True, but most of them are concentrated in Arkansas and W Virginia.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 25, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
Reilly....Arkansas , West Virginia , and now , Moundhouse , Nev...RJ
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 25, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
It seems odd that these mythical beasts also have only one foot each. Otherwise, they'd be called Bigfeet. But then, they probably use toothbrushes, rather than teethbrushes, for much the same reason.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 25, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
How could one foot generate so much stench...?
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