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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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it's ok. I forgive you.
make up kiss?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 16, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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usually I drop a steamy loaf.
or if it's early in the AM after a couple espressos and not much food, it's more like doo doo butter.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 06:23am PT
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I asked about historical examples of rising CO2 leading to higher temperatures. Isn't the effect of increased CO2 levels key to the consensus opinion on AGW? Is it really a stretch to think we've seen similar cause and effect in the past?
It is important to note that it is not necessary that the same or similar things have happened in the past. It is two different questions to ask if higher levels of CO2 (like we have today) would result in higher temperatures or if any such events have occurred in the past.
Nice touch on the red herring angle. "Everybody knows increases in the CO2 concentration cause increases in the global mean temperature." Who cares that no one can produce previous examples? That's irrelevant, right?
CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The theory of greenhouse gases is used to calculate the temperature on the earth and other planets. The theory has been used many times.
What you seems to suggest is that because the neanderthals or the dinosaurs didn't burn fossils or that any similar release of CO2 by for example volcanoes might not have happen or that we don't have enough data of such that events that we cant conclude what is going to happen now?
Do you think in the same way about everything that humans put into the environment in a unnatural way?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 17, 2013 - 07:50am PT
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Conversely, why are there numerous examples of rising CO2 levels lagging behind rising temperatures?
Show us some.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 07:59am PT
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Not it's not necessary, but it doesn't give it credibility. Everyone says rising CO2 in the atmosphere causes rising temperatures. But ice core records going back 800 thousand years show rising CO2 levels lagging behind rising temperatures.
My point is simple. If the theory of rising atmospheric CO2 causes global warming, why aren't there examples in the historical record? Conversely, why are there numerous examples of rising CO2 levels lagging behind rising temperatures?
I really can't understand why it should be that hard to understand the point I try to make.
The CO2 that we release into the atmosphere can in this case be considered an input. CO2 is not a natural input to the climate system (that I know about) and it thus mainly follows other signals in the historical record.
We change a parameter in a way that it is not naturally changed and that make it actually strange if you could find similar events in the historical record.
This should be so easy to understand if you had any understanding of dynamical systems.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 08:06am PT
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Consider the the period of the last glaciations when the climate system where similar to what it is today.
You should ask yourself what mechanism could result in a fast and large rise of the CO2 level in that climate (without being a feedback from the temperature).
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 17, 2013 - 08:46am PT
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zzzzzz
can we get back to talking about shets? TEH ChIEF was very knowledgeable in that area!
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 09:24am PT
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So ipcc should have written about general pollution instead of global warming?
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 09:51am PT
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Do you have a point?
It is of course well known that pollutions are bad for us and there are regulations that tries to get rid of some of the pollutions.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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You are hallucinating again.
It could of course been done more to clean the air but the problem is that it costs money and people like you are of course against it.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 10:28am PT
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The main thing it costs is people such as yourselves restricting your use of cars, vans etc. Not driving all over to get to where you gotta go and climb etc.
but the chief, you drive 100 times as much as I do and in a car with much worse gas milage.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 10:44am PT
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So you have two cars and one motorbike and drive more than I do in half a car and claim that I am not thinking about the environment???!!!!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 17, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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The green agenda really gathered steam with the assembly of the intellectual elite in organizations like the Club of Rome and publication of it's bible "The Limits of Growth" beginning in the late 1960's. In there attempt to gain control and provide direction to the masses of humanity, that are viewed as worse than a virus infecting the body of planet Earth, they hitched their wagons to various vehicles, the most important of them being CAGW whose wheels have come off after being punctured by reality. Most posting here cannot fathom that their view of the world is not an informed evaluation of the state of the world based upon review of the best possible science rather than ideas placed inside their young developing brains and nurtured throughout their youth to the point of now festering forth upon the pages of this forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
http://usacor.org/about/index.html
Unfortunately The Club of Rome is but one of many such organizations seeking to crush progress by way of deception and diversion.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Well, let's be honest, mkay? I am willing to bet gud moolah that per capita-wise The Chief is
right. We do drive a lot and fly a lot.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Oct 17, 2013 - 11:31am PT
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Learn how to use "there" will you please.Rick.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 17, 2013 - 11:33am PT
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Chief wears cotton.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 17, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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Well thanks Wilbeer, i'll try to improve my English sometime in my age limited future.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 17, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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i'll try to improve my English sometime in my age limited future.
and may I suggest you also improve your science... and math... and history? Boy, you have your work cut out for you... but at least you're willing to try.
I agree, simple spelling is a good place to start for someone at your level.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 17, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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Most posting here cannot fathom that their view of the world is not an informed evaluation of the state of the world based upon review of the best possible science rather than ideas placed inside their young developing brains and nurtured throughout their youth to the point of now festering forth upon the pages of this forum.
When did this start? In kindergarten? When we learned about differential equations and statistics? Did they manage to brainwash us so well that for example an ODE actually have 3 solutions instead of the taught 1 solution? Is the least squares method just a liberal concept? Is everything just a hoax?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 17, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
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