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LongAgo

Trad climber
Dec 8, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
Clint,

You gave the pic of the "T bar" I was saying we used on Crack of Fear. Thanks for showing it. Makes me wonder, again, why the heck we used 'em as they didn't grab at the tips very well (unless on nubby rock) and tended to pivot. Ugh.

Tom Higgins
Long Ago
EdBannister

Mountain climber
13,000 feet
Dec 8, 2010 - 05:33pm PT
Museum is correct, those are Edelrid Bivo cams as introduced by Claus Benk, I think 1984.

Crack n ups yes, but more rare, they made a size ZERO!
but they never sold 'em.

and yes Kris, my leeper z chocks looked just like yours, never used!

odd not to see any moac listed

diamond peninsula gear


or those bizarre clog nuts? the obtuse mickey mouse looking things that were Denny's answer to Hexcentrics?

nature

climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
Dec 8, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
these did catch on... yikes!



I've got a Leeper Friend of a Friend that Deuce sent me a while back in a pile of stuff.
JBC

Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
Dec 8, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
or those bizarre clog nuts? the obtuse mickey mouse looking things that were Denny's answer to Hexcentrics?


Clog cogs? I had a few of those when I first started climbing - closeout from someplace as I recall.

Jim
Lee Bow

Trad climber
wet island
Dec 8, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
how about SMC CAMALOTS ?

They were possibly the most useless thing on my rack. I never could get one to stay put!

I actually made a wole mess of tube chocks out of a broken aluminum mast that were more useful...
JBC

Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
Dec 8, 2010 - 07:48pm PT
Here is some old DMM ice pro. State of the art in the 80s, these were pound in, screw out ice 'screws' Largely replaced by modern ice screws - that actually work, unlike the screws of old that were a b*tch to put in.



Jim
JBC

Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
Dec 8, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
More Forrest oddities. Forrest Arrowhead. Basically a stopper made out of copper.


Jim
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:01pm PT
Worth a link, and a bump:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/204679/Origin-of-Tube-Chocks
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:34pm PT
The whole Forrest arsenal... or at least most of it...

groundup

Trad climber
hard sayin' not knowin'
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:40pm PT
MOAC nuts should have caught on. They just didn't make enough of them.

Single wire chocks were too "floppy" and difficult to place

The SMC thingys were called Camlocks
MisterE

Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
Yes, someone DID say Crack-n-ups!

Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
Last time I checked, The Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, Mo had Camlocks.
Like anyone gets climbing gear there, eh? Riiiiight.
I like Crack n Ups. Only have a 2 & a 3, though.
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Dec 8, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
The rest of the Forrest arsenal...the whole xylophone...


groundup

Trad climber
hard sayin' not knowin'
Dec 8, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
holy crap!
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Dec 8, 2010 - 11:06pm PT
The Ed Leeper Friend of a Friend was a great tool for removing Friends. In one hand you could pressure all of the cam lobes, and in the other fiddle with the lobes with a nut tool to free the stuck cam.

Steelmnkey - Nice Forrest Titon lineup!

Bill Forrest made a lot of different Titons where the sets overlapped at #9. Shown in Steelmnkys photo is uncolored set #1-10 (missing 7,9,10) which has a slot for flat webbing, and uncolored set #9-17 which has round holes for the webbing and two rows of drilled lightening holes. Set #1-9 was also sold colored. Set #9-17 was sold with the ends tapered and flat top, and also sold with the ends tapered and also a taper across the whole the top/length so you could use it like a piton. Forrest Chimney Chocks are like the larger Titons but usually have two webbing holes.

Steelmnkey - In your photo of the Forrest nuts you show a wired hex. I always thought that Forrest only prototyped the hexes and they only had one single wire like his nuts. Does your two hole hex have a tree stamp on it?

Ed B - Crack N' Ups were first shown in the Chouinard 1973 Supplement catalog showing #1-6. Historically Crack N' Ups were not created/sold until 1975. Talking to Tom Frost and Yvon Chouinard they said that the #1 was a problem since it started to bend/fail at 160lbs/or body weight. Only ten #1 crack N' Ups were ever created and 6 were destroyed in the testing. I have seen only one #1, but it was not for sale. Unknown who has the other three, or if they even exist. Frost and Chouinard did further testing before selling them in 1975.

Rock on! Marty
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Dec 9, 2010 - 02:07am PT
Those Forrest Arrowheads are a fantastic chock. I acquired several of them a few years ago and decided to take one out on the rock just for fun.

It has never left my rack.
Still the most useful nut I've ever used, the thing fits in everywhere and sticks to the rock like a booger in a blanket.

I also have a MOAC nut I carry on my rack from time to time. Not as rare a nut as some might think. I've got about a half dozen of em I've collected in just the past couple years.
MisterE

Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
Dec 9, 2010 - 03:42am PT
Although not technically a piece of "gear",

the shoulder-stand as an assist to a climb seems to have fallen out of favor

wildone

climber
Troy, MT
Dec 9, 2010 - 04:23am PT
...maybe with you it's fallen out of favor! I'll use that one at the slightest provocation.
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Dec 9, 2010 - 11:39am PT
Rokjox - the CMI cam lobe thingy is called a Rokjox. The version without springs is called a Kirks Kamm.

The leather sheath you show - is it homemade made for the Alpine ice axe?
Is it made by chouinard, or is it an old Touchstone Design Nutscratcher Nut tool sheath?

Rock on! Marty
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 9, 2010 - 11:45am PT
I have seen only one #1, but it was not for sale. Unknown who has the other three, or if they even exist. Frost and Chouinard did further testing before selling them in 1975.

A friend of mine said he had one, but it slipped down behind a built-in bathroom counter and he never managed to remember to retrieve it before selling the house.
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