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MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 20, 2010 - 08:41pm PT
Question: Why did Klimmer not pick up on the Heaven by Hubble opportunity? Note in the report cited above and copied below, the eerie similarity to Klimmer's usual arguments. The President at the time was briefed, anonymous experts provided inside information, Government officials were suspiciously silent, the People only wanted NASA to "come clean". You could suspect that Klimmer is writer for the WWN.

Answer: Coming in a later post!

HEAVEN PHOTOGRAPHED BY HUBBLE TELESCOPE

February 8, 1994

Just days after space shuttle astronauts repaired the Hubble Space Telescope in mid December, the giant lens focused on a star cluster at the edge of the universe – and photographed heaven!

That’s the word from author and researcher Marcia Masson, who quoted highly places NASA insiders as having said that the telescope beamed hundreds of photos back to the command center at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., on December 26.

The pictures clearly show a vast white city floating eerily in the blackness of space.

And the expert quoted NASA sources as saying that the city is definitely Heaven “because life as we know it couldn’t possibly exist in icy, airless space.

“This is it – this is the proof we’ve been waiting for,” Dr. Masson told reporters.

“Through an enormous stroke of luck, NASA aimed the Hubble Telescope at precisely the right place at precisely the right time to capture these images on film. I’m not particularly religious, but I don’t doubt that somebody or something influenced the decision to aim the telescope at that particular area of space.

“Was that someone or something God himself? Given the vastness of the universe, and all the places NASA could have targeted for study, that would certainly appear to be the case.”

NASA spokesmen declined to comment on the author’s report “pending further analysis of the photographs received on December 26.” In spite of official silence, agency insiders concede that NASA “has discovered something that might alter the future of all mankind.”

They also confirmed that President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore have taken a keen personal interest in the photographs and have requested daily briefings. Dr. Masson said: “The Hubble Space Telescope was designed to photograph images as far away as the edge of the universe but a lens flaw prevented it from doing so until shuttle astronauts corrected the defect during a recent mission.

“When they finished their work, the telescope trained its enormous glass eye on the outer reachers of the universe.

“From what I understand, the first images it received were nothing more than kaleidoscopic bursts of color and light.

“As adjustments were made and the focus sharpened, NASA analysts couldn’t believe their eyes.

“After checking and rechecking the data, they concluded that the images were authentic. They also theorized that the city couldn’t possibly be inhabited by life as we know it.

“The only logical explanation was that the city was inhabited by the souls of the dead. As one of my sources put it, ‘We found where God lives.’”

It has been rumored that the space agency has forwarded photographs to Pope John Paul II at his request, but Vatican sources will neither confirm nor deny it.

Dr. Masson, who obtained copies of a single photograph from her NASA sources, says the space agency’s next move “will be most revealing.”

“This is a chance for NASA to come clean with the public and tell us everything it knows,” she said.

Just days after space shuttle astronauts repaired the Hubble Space Telescope in mid December, the giant lens focused on a star cluster at the edge of the universe – and photographed heaven!
That’s the word from author and researcher Marcia Masson, who quoted highly places NASA insiders as having said that the telescope beamed hundreds of photos back to the command center at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., on December 26.

The pictures clearly show a vast white city floating eerily in the blackness of space.

And the expert quoted NASA sources as saying that the city is definitely Heaven “because life as we know it couldn’t possibly exist in icy, airless space.

“This is it – this is the proof we’ve been waiting for,” Dr. Masson told reporters.

“Through an enormous stroke of luck, NASA aimed the Hubble Telescope at precisely the right place at precisely the right time to capture these images on film. I’m not particularly religious, but I don’t doubt that somebody or something influenced the decision to aim the telescope at that particular area of space.

“Was that someone or something God himself? Given the vastness of the universe, and all the places NASA could have targeted for study, that would certainly appear to be the case.”

NASA spokesmen declined to comment on the author’s report “pending further analysis of the photographs received on December 26.” In spite of official silence, agency insiders concede that NASA “has discovered something that might alter the future of all mankind.”

They also confirmed that President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore have taken a keen personal interest in the photographs and have requested daily briefings. Dr. Masson said: “The Hubble Space Telescope was designed to photograph images as far away as the edge of the universe but a lens flaw prevented it from doing so until shuttle astronauts corrected the defect during a recent mission.

“When they finished their work, the telescope trained its enormous glass eye on the outer reachers of the universe.

“From what I understand, the first images it received were nothing more than kaleidoscopic bursts of color and light.

“As adjustments were made and the focus sharpened, NASA analysts couldn’t believe their eyes.

“After checking and rechecking the data, they concluded that the images were authentic. They also theorized that the city couldn’t possibly be inhabited by life as we know it.

“The only logical explanation was that the city was inhabited by the souls of the dead. As one of my sources put it, ‘We found where God lives.’”

It has been rumored that the space agency has forwarded photographs to Pope John Paul II at his request, but Vatican sources will neither confirm nor deny it.

Dr. Masson, who obtained copies of a single photograph from her NASA sources, says the space agency’s next move “will be most revealing.”

“This is a chance for NASA to come clean with the public and tell us everything it knows,” she said.

WBraun

climber
Nov 20, 2010 - 08:48pm PT
LOL Cragman

You're starting to sound like me ....
MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 20, 2010 - 08:55pm PT
Cragman, it would be safe to assume that no scientist said anything at all in that article and no scientist has ever had anything to do with that particular favorite source (the Weekly World News) of Klimmer's.
WBraun

climber
Nov 20, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
So MisterAnswers

What is the answer to the answer?
MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 20, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
WBraun, I'm not sure what the answer is and that is unfortunate as this is an important question.

Klimmer throws all his energy into crazy conspiracy A, but dismisses crazy conspiracy B. Is there a dividing line along the crazy axis? Are there particular details that are important? Does it require involvement by NASA, the Airforce, Democrats, Space Aliens? Does a crazy conspiracy only pass muster with him if there are certain combinations of these kinds of things?

Psychiatrists everywhere are anxious to know the answer and sadly, for once, MisterAnswers is coming up empty handed.

It could be the weather! Snowing like hell here. How about in Yosemite?

EDIT: What do you think about that WWN story about Hubble spotting Heaven Klimmer?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 20, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
MA,


You just like making-up 100% USDA Grade Bull Dung don't you?

Not very Christian of you. You shouldn't lie and put words in other peoples mouths. Didn't your parents teach you better than that? What would Jesus do?

How do you feel about Jesus? Who was he?

You are letting your true identity slip through.




Edit:

Hey, I got the coveted 777 post and wasn't even trying. Very nice.
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 20, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
So, Klim, you're sticking with 156k feet, even though the calc was based on 177 miles away from observer after aprox 10 minutes from launch.

Klimmer then had to claim:
It was ripping down range and you know that and I know that.

Better make up some new numbers then explain away all the gaps in the sat pic.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 20, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
There's a starman waiting in the skies...he'd like to come and meet us but he knows he'd blow our minds...
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 20, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
Mono,

It's gonna be higher, that is why I have been typing 156,000+ feet. I just haven't taken the time to remeasure yet and recalculate yet. I will eventually, and I will fix all my graphics. I can now also very accurately triangulate to the actual launch location in the Pacific Ocean. I have great data now all around.

I also now have stereograms that are with very enhanced parallax, and it shows it all going away from the coast toward the W - WNW even easier.

I know the answer, not gonna change things much vertically, but it will for sure change some.

I can also now calculate the approx. actual velocity of the missile knowing the horizontal (X = adj.) and vertical (Y = opp.) components of velocity. It will be easy to solve for the hypotenuse, the resultant velocity of both components when I get around to it.

I've been busy. But it will get done eventually.
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 20, 2010 - 10:23pm PT

APOD: 2010 August 9 - IRAS 05437 2502: An Enigmatic Star Cloud from Hubble
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100809.html

Could be heaven, especially if you had a pair of interstellar ice axes.
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 20, 2010 - 10:23pm PT
Shockingly, we won't ever see such a calculation from Klimmer, because it brings up a whole new set of problems.

But still, just trying to help you out buddy.

If I can pick you apart, imagine if you took your 'research' to a science forum where there are 40 Ed H's and Mike B's.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 20, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
He also seems unable to plot the azimuth of the sunset at the time of the launch.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 20, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
You guys are jokes.

The azimuth for the setting Sun on 11-8-10 from LA, California is 250 degrees.

Look back to the post where I said that. You can look it up bozos.



NOAA calculators:
Sunrise/Sunset Calculator
http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/sunrise.html
Solar Position Calculator
http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/azel.html



Apparently you guys have no lives.

I can do all of this no problem. But I do not do it for you, when you want it. I only look into these things because I care. I do it because I want to. My calculations when I do get around to doing it again, and fixing the graphics will be very accurate.

Work done so far has been very good approximations and estimates.

I have great data now. It is only going to confirm everything I have said already, just better. Will not change the truth of the matter.

Easy to do.

But I will do it when I want to do, and on my schedule.




My advice to all these dishonest debunkers:

Don't eat Turkey this Holiday since Cannabalism is a sin . . .

monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 20, 2010 - 11:15pm PT
Still waiting for that calc with the made up numbers, Klimmer.

Of course, we'll never get it cuz you'll have to go crying back to that little cloud you trapped yourself in. And you were so sure.
MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 20, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
Question: what does
with very enhanced parallax
mean?

Answer: The phrase means absolutely nothing! That Klimmer made this statement a few posts back means that he is clueless! The poor fellow is so anxious to use scientific terms and appear smart, but, by getting it wrong all the time he just looks dumb.

Parallax is the apparent motion (stated as an angular displacement) of a nearby object with respect to more distant objects when the observer changes position. Its value is set by the distance to the object of interest and the baseline distance between the two observations (the baseline is the component of the observer motion perpendicular to the line of sight to the object). There is no "enhanced" parallax and not even a "very enhanced" parallax.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 20, 2010 - 11:52pm PT
Mr. A (as in the buttox end)



Parallax is an apparent displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines.[1][2] The term is derived from the Greek παράλλαξις (parallaxis), meaning "alteration". Nearby objects have a larger parallax than more distant objects when observed from different positions, so parallax can be used to determine distances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax#Photogrammetric_parallax


There are more than one type of parallax, and application of parallax. I'm referring to the above. This can increase or decrease the depth of field in a 3D image.

Many animals, including humans, have two eyes with overlapping visual fields to use parallax to gain depth perception; this process is known as stereopsis

When I refer to increasing parallax, I'm talking about using 2 images further apart to enhance depth of field perception --> stereopsis.

I can make the Grand Canyon appear to be a normal Grand Canyon depth, or I can make it appear really really deep, by purposeful choice and manipulation of parallax. Do I have to post examples?



Remote Sensing and Aerial Photo Interpretation is a big part of my background.

Mr. A, I'm done with you.

Who ever you are, you are a very dishonest person and hide behind lies. Your whole purpose is harassment of a intellectually dishonest kind.

You are a coward.


MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:11am PT
Question: Does Klimmer's "explanation" and careful research at Wikipedia clear up what he meant with the original statement?

Answer: No! More nonsensical blather. It goes like this. You have the distance to the object of interest. You have your baseline. You get the parallax angle.

A good question that Klimmer has never even brought up is "can you measure the parallax of the "plume" using the helicopter frames if the "plume" is indeed 180 miles out to sea?" Klimmer claims that this is not an important question because he has his stereoscopic pairs of images. For those of you who did not rush out and purchase stereoscopic glasses, I'll let you in on a little secret: Klimmer is bluffing.
Slater

Trad climber
Central Coast
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:23am PT
so what about that mystery missle?

that's what she said
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:37am PT
Question: Does Klimmer's "explanation" and careful research at Wikipedia clear up what he meant with the original statement?

Answer: No! More nonsensical blather. It goes like this. You have the distance to the object of interest. You have your baseline. You get the parallax angle.

A good question that Klimmer has never even brought up is "can you measure the parallax of the "plume" using the helicopter frames if the "plume" is indeed 180 miles out to sea?" Klimmer claims that this is not an important question because he has his stereoscopic pairs of images. For those of you who did not rush out and purchase stereoscopic glasses, I'll let you in on a little secret: Klimmer is bluffing.


Let them see for themselves.

They will see it too, just as everyone who has looked and observed for themselves with my multiple pairs of stereoscopes has been able to do.

You do not have to measure parallax to see it.

No one has to know how to measure depth of field to see it.

What a joke.

And yes I can calculate the parallax easily. It isn't necessary to prove my point.

What you also have failed to realize is that the original cameraman also zoomed in with a 2X lense multiplier for multiple close-ups. I also made stereopairs from these perspectives.

Watch the video of the interview with the cameraman Gil Leyvas:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010/11/09/exclusive-raw-video-mysterious-missile-launch-off-california-coast/#comment-18523

But all of the stereopairs I put together show depth of field from parallax, and then plenty to see the exhaust/vapor plume goes away from the coast, not toward it.


Why are you still arguing this? Seems to me you don't want anyone looking for themselves. Why would that be?
MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:53am PT
Question for Klimmer: What difference does the 2x zoom make for the size of the parallax angle for the "plume" when photographed from two different positions?

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