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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Philo writes:
"Carrying a few pounds of surgical metal in my body gets me singled out for extra attention every time."
That should get you singled out once. Maybe. Not even once if TSA were thinking ahead and doing their homework.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"One 9/11 was enough."
You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Maybe not, Ap, but armed F-16's certainly can and they're not
shy about scrambling them any longer.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
Something is working, or it WOULD have happened in the last 15 years.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I'd much rather have some armed, skilled F-16's flying around rather than a bunch of patch-wearing, ex-boy scout wannabe cops wasting my time & tax money while they feel up my junk.
Survival, that's not exactly conclusive cause & effect evidence that anything the TSA is doing is making a difference.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 09:43am PT
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Trained detection dogs detect scents in the parts per trillion. That's Trillion with a T.
We can't even make a machine that comes close.
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jmacrosoft
Sport climber
Atlanta, GA
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Really anxious to check all my climbing gear for my fight. They've got sticky fingers.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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Sticky fingers? Wonder if that could be from a ball cupping gone awry?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mr Milktoast,
Don't you think that's the way it should be?
Even if I just go to Tijuana, there's a two-tiered ( at least ) system for re-entry.
Coming back, I wait in the Long Line, because I'm only down there once every other blue moon, and the Border Patrol's never seen me before. They're going to have a couple questions for me. Depending on how I do answering those, they might have a couple more.
The other ( short ) line is for those who cross back and forth all the time. A lot of people work on one side of the border and live on the other, so they cross the border every day. The Border Patrol knows these people, and knows they aren't doing anything wrong. They breeze right through a turnstile by swiping a card - just like getting on the subway.
A hell of a lot of the people in that Express Line look like Mexicans, too. But so what? Those people have already answered all of the government's questions - with right answers - so there's no point doing it again. Especially when I'M there waiting.
Give them a handshake. Give them a hug. Give them a flower necklace and a Pina Colada like they do in Hawaii. I don't care.
Last time I flew anywhere ( JFK-LGB ), the TSA experience was a pointless exercise of going through the motions. My cousin's husband - George - is walking around like Philo, with metal. It's in his knee. He wears shorts when he flies, to make it easy for TSA to see the scars which match up exactly with the metal detector pings. But still he has to spend several minutes in the glass room, getting wanded and probed, even though he flies all the time.
My cousin, who has never done anything wrong in her life - valedictorian of her high school class, raised two kids who were also valedictorian of their respective high school classes, one of which earned a graduate degree at UCLA, the other a West Point grad - gets the same treatment, probably because of her association with the known metal-carrier George.
When it was my turn, I just walked right through, without a glance from anybody. Even though I had n00b flyer written all over me ( I didn't know you were supposed to pull your computer out of your bag, and put it in a separate bus tray ) and I had checked a bag that wasn't mine and that I hadn't packed!
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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I'm with ya philo.
I good leg humping would help ease my fear of flying.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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No dogs!@
How am I supposed to bring all my medicinal herbolage in my carry on?
Don't f*#k this up you TSA haters.
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dirtbag
climber
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I imagine they stop quite a few dumbshits, who still can do a lot damage. Probably more idiots than terrorists. Drunks, psych ward types, malcontents, etc.
They might even deter a few smart people. Hard to say--we will never get meaningful data on that.
Smart, determined people can still do whatever they want, of course.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Aug 3, 2015 - 09:18am PT
You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
Something is working, or it WOULD have happened in the last 15 years.
Before 9-11 the only plane that went into a building in New York was into the Empire State Building by accident. It was one of ours.
There were plenty of people who hated us in 1945 and since, too.
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TSA does nothing for our safety.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
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"TSA does nothing for our safety"
Well they do make people take their shoes off.
Could be Scorpions in them you know.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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You take your shoes off and then walk barefoot across a carpet in a machine where 50,000 other people have walked across since it was last cleaned.
Scorpions sounds safer.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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JB, the TSA is like Sesame Street compared to Canuckistani Immigration.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2015 - 06:06am PT
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TSA a failure at every level: Security expert - CNBC.com
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/.../tsa-a-failure-at-every-level-security-expert.html
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Jun 2, 2015 - Acting TSA director reassigned after screeners failed tests to detect .... and Government Reform Committee, called the failure rate "deeply ...
Pilot: Is TSA security a complete failure? - CNN.com
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Jun 4, 2015 - Les Abend is a Boeing 777 captain for a major airline with 31 years of flying experience. He is also a CNN aviation analyst and senior ...
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Jun 1, 2015 - Homeland Security agents were able to smuggle fake weapons and bombs through TSA airport security checkpoints in 67 out of 70 attempts ...
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Doubtful anything will be done.
Bush's legacy will shamble on. Anyone who tries to unravel it will get full blame if anything happens in the future, even if it likely would slip through today. It is the Willie Horton effect in full force.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Brennan, when I lived in Seattle and enjoyed going north regularly yer
border peeps were really nice. What happened? In all fairness I have to
say TSA peeps seem to make an effort to be friendly. Canadian Immigration
peeps seem to pride themselves on their surliness. Do they have a thing
against us spending our money up there? After my visit to Toronto in April
the wife is gonna have a hard sell to get me back up there.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Aug 28, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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Speaking of scorpions on the plane...
Took just a flight from Newark to Portland. Plane came from the Dominican Republic.
I get the early boarding for a change, get one foot in the door, and they hustle us out, saying somebody saw "a bug".
Me to Flight attendant: " it's a scorpion, isn't it?"
Her: "no, no. Just a bug"
So now instead of me being the first guy on the plane, I'm the last, as they turn us around and march us all to a new gate and new plane.
It was a scorpion, it turns out. They gotta stop flying bananas on passenger flights. Scorpions in the bunches is a well documented issue.
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