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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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What were they stealing...? Free feels..?
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY
Musician Morrissey files a complaint against the TSA for being totally gross
Module Voice Image BONNIE KRISTIAN, RARE CONTRIBUTOR | POSTED ON JULY 31, 2015 10:14 AM
While some politicians are eager to see the TSA’s invasive security theater expanded into all our public spaces, it’s refreshing to see some impassioned opposition to tyranny at the airport.
Unfortunately, that enthusiasm was occasioned by yet another case of TSA overreach—except this time, the agents overreached onto musician Morrissey’s pants. He took to his website to tell the tale:
At 2:30 in the afternoon I went through the usual airport security procedure including the stand-up ‘scanner’, and all was well — no bleeps and nothing unusual.
Before I could gather my belongings from the usual array of trays I was approached by an “airport security officer” who stopped me, crouched before me and groped my penis and testicles. He quickly moved away as an older “airport security officer” approached.
When Morrissey spoke to British Airways employees about the incident, they encouraged him to go back and complain. Per his account, that conversation went like this:
You have just sexually groped this man.
Officer: That’s just your opinion.
What you have done is illegal.
Officer: That’s just your opinion.
You have no right to do what you have just done.
Officer: That’s just your opinion.
But it’s Morrissey’s comment on the interaction that really nails it:
Apart from “that’s just your opinion”, he would not comment, even though, since the penis and testicles were mine and no one else’s, then my opinion must surely have some meaning. But, of course, what the airport security officer was saying was: your opinion will never count in the eyes of the law. The words “that’s just your opinion” volunteered themselves from this “officer’s” mouth before he had even heard the question. He knew he could be confronted, but he also knew that he could never be challenged…
Morrissey lodged an official sexual assault complaint but, predictably, the TSA won’t say it’s sorry. To the contrary, a TSA representative announced that “Upon review of closed circuit TV footage, TSA determined that the supervised officer followed standard operating procedures in the screening of this individual.”
And that’s what makes this whole thing so galling: this wasn’t a rogue agent. It wasn’t ignorance of procedure. It was the TSA being gross in exactly the way it wants.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Philo...That's called a ball cup...This happens quite often on supertopo..What's your Beef..?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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The TSA version of the Wicked Witch Of The East had fun with the wife two weeks ago at
SLC when she gleefully discovered the wife had not fully drained her Platypus bladder. The
niece and I were discretely enjoying the show from a nearby bench when suddenly the wife
points at me and appeared to say
"That's him! That's the guy that gave me this pack to carry on board!"
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I lost a 60 dollar chunk of flour glide wax at the Detroit airport...Luckily they didn't the red klister..rj
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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I usually keep my rock shoes, harness, etc in my carry on. Never want to get to the rocks without them.
Attached to the chalk bag is a Leatherman Micra and it made it through for 8 years after 9-11.
Then one day it was a weapon, so I had to mail it to myself. After that if I had a checked bag it went there. It's kind of a pain, because I keep forgetting where it is.
When I go to Argentina I also put a Leatherman Wave in my checked bag and put the bits you can get for it in my carry on. Rental cars need work sometimes out on the pampas. USA TSA never gives me a problem with the bits. They are tools which are allowed.
On the way back last trip, Argentina TSA confiscated the bits - they said they looked like bullets on X-ray. They were too much to mail, so I left them. I then had a connection in Houston and had to go through USA TSA and customs. But when I unpacked at home, the Micra was in my computer bag I had carried on and forgotten about. Cleared both security checks again.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Recent T.S.A. Tests showed that out of 70 tries 67 weapons were carried thru T.S.A. security. . .They exist to instill fear, fear of them doing such an incredibly incompendent Job, I guess losers need work too. . .
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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The loser politicians demand such services to pretend they are saving Amerika...
... let's endorse a grope a Congress member day where they get a dose of their efforts!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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The TSA was even going to allow small pen knives again. They even had published the guidelines.
Then some congressman raised a stink. So the TSA backed off and kept them on the banned list. That was around when my Micra got nabbed.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Like all large governmental (and private) agencies the TSA has flaws aplenty but we are better off with them without them. They may have not apprehended any terrorists but we will never know how many they have thwarted.
It's easy to criticize but it is very difficult to offer up vIable solutions to that which we are critical of.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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it was the flight attendant's association ( seriously)
...and congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee from Texas, and Congressman Eric Swalwell from California.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/14/travel/tsa-knives-congress/
I thought Texans wanted everybody to carry a piece.
The thing is, the TSA allows tools under 7" in length, including screwdrivers, which the Dallas police will tell you is a deadly weapon. They shot a mentally ill man to death because he wouldn't put one down.
Then they insert verbiage that they can arbitrarily deny your ability to carry them if they want, which makes it is all just a crap shoot. If you work for a living, you have to choose whether check your tools and risk having them ripped off or not check them and risk having them confiscated.
There should be a receipt and claims system when others take your stuff.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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I think that the TSA has been an abject failure. Test after test done by federal agencies have proven the ineffectiveness of the system in the U.S. I for one would prefer they used trained detection dogs. They are vastly superior at the job and at a fraction of the cost. I for one would rather have a dog sniff my junk than a humorless goon groping my goods. Dogs don't steal and they like ear scritches and belly rubs. Last time I tried to belly rub a TSA agent it didn't go so well.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The fact that Mr Milktoast and Philo ever get shaken down at the airport tells you TSA is an institution run and staffed by complete idiots.
If the time the TSA wasted searching those two had instead been spent doing their homework, Philo and Milktoast would just walk right onto the plane unmolested.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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Carrying a few pounds of surgical metal in my body gets me singled out for extra attention every time.
This is a hilarious video by Key and Peele on the Diabolical TSA.
http://youtu.be/IHfiMoJUDVQ
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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The TSA was even going to allow small pen knives again.
It'd be pretty easy to hide a carbon-fiber knife. The TSA is a means of keeping the fear in the populace.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I'll take the TSA AND dogs.
One 9/11 was enough.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I'd feel better if they could breed some of the dogs' intelligence into
the TSA people.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Philo writes:
"Carrying a few pounds of surgical metal in my body gets me singled out for extra attention every time."
That should get you singled out once. Maybe. Not even once if TSA were thinking ahead and doing their homework.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"One 9/11 was enough."
You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Maybe not, Ap, but armed F-16's certainly can and they're not
shy about scrambling them any longer.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
Something is working, or it WOULD have happened in the last 15 years.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I'd much rather have some armed, skilled F-16's flying around rather than a bunch of patch-wearing, ex-boy scout wannabe cops wasting my time & tax money while they feel up my junk.
Survival, that's not exactly conclusive cause & effect evidence that anything the TSA is doing is making a difference.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 09:43am PT
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Trained detection dogs detect scents in the parts per trillion. That's Trillion with a T.
We can't even make a machine that comes close.
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jmacrosoft
Sport climber
Atlanta, GA
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Really anxious to check all my climbing gear for my fight. They've got sticky fingers.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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Sticky fingers? Wonder if that could be from a ball cupping gone awry?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mr Milktoast,
Don't you think that's the way it should be?
Even if I just go to Tijuana, there's a two-tiered ( at least ) system for re-entry.
Coming back, I wait in the Long Line, because I'm only down there once every other blue moon, and the Border Patrol's never seen me before. They're going to have a couple questions for me. Depending on how I do answering those, they might have a couple more.
The other ( short ) line is for those who cross back and forth all the time. A lot of people work on one side of the border and live on the other, so they cross the border every day. The Border Patrol knows these people, and knows they aren't doing anything wrong. They breeze right through a turnstile by swiping a card - just like getting on the subway.
A hell of a lot of the people in that Express Line look like Mexicans, too. But so what? Those people have already answered all of the government's questions - with right answers - so there's no point doing it again. Especially when I'M there waiting.
Give them a handshake. Give them a hug. Give them a flower necklace and a Pina Colada like they do in Hawaii. I don't care.
Last time I flew anywhere ( JFK-LGB ), the TSA experience was a pointless exercise of going through the motions. My cousin's husband - George - is walking around like Philo, with metal. It's in his knee. He wears shorts when he flies, to make it easy for TSA to see the scars which match up exactly with the metal detector pings. But still he has to spend several minutes in the glass room, getting wanded and probed, even though he flies all the time.
My cousin, who has never done anything wrong in her life - valedictorian of her high school class, raised two kids who were also valedictorian of their respective high school classes, one of which earned a graduate degree at UCLA, the other a West Point grad - gets the same treatment, probably because of her association with the known metal-carrier George.
When it was my turn, I just walked right through, without a glance from anybody. Even though I had n00b flyer written all over me ( I didn't know you were supposed to pull your computer out of your bag, and put it in a separate bus tray ) and I had checked a bag that wasn't mine and that I hadn't packed!
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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I'm with ya philo.
I good leg humping would help ease my fear of flying.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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No dogs!@
How am I supposed to bring all my medicinal herbolage in my carry on?
Don't f*#k this up you TSA haters.
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dirtbag
climber
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I imagine they stop quite a few dumbshits, who still can do a lot damage. Probably more idiots than terrorists. Drunks, psych ward types, malcontents, etc.
They might even deter a few smart people. Hard to say--we will never get meaningful data on that.
Smart, determined people can still do whatever they want, of course.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Aug 3, 2015 - 09:18am PT
You really think the TSA & their dogs are gonna be enough to stop another plane from flying into a building?
At this point, I doubt it highly.
Something is working, or it WOULD have happened in the last 15 years.
Before 9-11 the only plane that went into a building in New York was into the Empire State Building by accident. It was one of ours.
There were plenty of people who hated us in 1945 and since, too.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
TSA does nothing for our safety.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
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"TSA does nothing for our safety"
Well they do make people take their shoes off.
Could be Scorpions in them you know.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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You take your shoes off and then walk barefoot across a carpet in a machine where 50,000 other people have walked across since it was last cleaned.
Scorpions sounds safer.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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JB, the TSA is like Sesame Street compared to Canuckistani Immigration.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2015 - 06:06am PT
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TSA a failure at every level: Security expert - CNBC.com
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/.../tsa-a-failure-at-every-level-security-expert.html
Jun 9, 2015 - Multiple failures by the Transportation Security Administration highlight the need for change at the agency, security expert Anthony Roman said.
The failures at TSA start long before screeners fail to detect bombs ...
http://www.theguardian.com › Opinion › Transport policy
Jun 7, 2015 - TSA's failures start long before screeners fail to detect bombs in security tests. Jason Edward Harrington. The agency fails covert tests 95% of ...
EXCLUSIVE: Undercover DHS Tests Find Security Failures at US ...
abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-undercover-dhs-tests...failures/story?id...
Jun 1, 2015 - An internal investigation of the Transportation Security Administration revealed security failures at dozens of the nation's busiest airports.
Yawning, Whistling Might Get ... - 5 Rights You Lose Whenever ...
The TSA's 95% Failure Rate: Be Careful What You Ask For When ...
http://www.forbes.com/.../the-tsas-95-failure-rate-be-carefull-what-you-ask-for-w...
Jun 8, 2015 - Of course, he didn't deserve to be in the position from which he was fired either. Last week Carrway was “reassigned” from his job as acting ...
TSA failures spark calls for privatization | TheHill
thehill.com/policy/.../244483-tsa-failures-spark-calls-for-privatization
Jun 9, 2015 - Embarrassing security lapses at the nation's airports are triggering renewed calls to replace the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) ...
What a 95% failure rate says about the TSA - LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-0604-tsa-20150604-story.html
Jun 4, 2015 - A Transportation Security Administration checkpoint at Los Angeles ... The TSA's staggering 95% failure rate was attributed to both human and ...
TSA screeners failed tests to detect explosives, weapons ... - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/.../tsa-failed-undercover-airport-screening-tests/
Jun 2, 2015 - Acting TSA director reassigned after screeners failed tests to detect .... and Government Reform Committee, called the failure rate "deeply ...
Pilot: Is TSA security a complete failure? - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/opinions/abend-tsa-screening-failure/
Jun 4, 2015 - Les Abend is a Boeing 777 captain for a major airline with 31 years of flying experience. He is also a CNN aviation analyst and senior ...
TSA Chief Out After Agents Fail 95 Percent of Airport Breach Tests ...
http://www.nbcnews.com/.../investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-...
Jun 1, 2015 - TSA chief out is after screeners fail 95 percent of tests 3:26 ... get weapons past TSA agents in 67 out of 70 tests — a 95 percent failure rate, ...
Shocking TSA failures lead to agency shakeup | MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/shocking-tsa-failures-lead-agency-shakeup
Jun 1, 2015 - Homeland Security agents were able to smuggle fake weapons and bombs through TSA airport security checkpoints in 67 out of 70 attempts ...
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Doubtful anything will be done.
Bush's legacy will shamble on. Anyone who tries to unravel it will get full blame if anything happens in the future, even if it likely would slip through today. It is the Willie Horton effect in full force.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Brennan, when I lived in Seattle and enjoyed going north regularly yer
border peeps were really nice. What happened? In all fairness I have to
say TSA peeps seem to make an effort to be friendly. Canadian Immigration
peeps seem to pride themselves on their surliness. Do they have a thing
against us spending our money up there? After my visit to Toronto in April
the wife is gonna have a hard sell to get me back up there.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Aug 28, 2015 - 10:47pm PT
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Speaking of scorpions on the plane...
Took just a flight from Newark to Portland. Plane came from the Dominican Republic.
I get the early boarding for a change, get one foot in the door, and they hustle us out, saying somebody saw "a bug".
Me to Flight attendant: " it's a scorpion, isn't it?"
Her: "no, no. Just a bug"
So now instead of me being the first guy on the plane, I'm the last, as they turn us around and march us all to a new gate and new plane.
It was a scorpion, it turns out. They gotta stop flying bananas on passenger flights. Scorpions in the bunches is a well documented issue.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 29, 2015 - 03:33pm PT
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TSA actually stands for Thugs Standing Around. There's now supposed to be an exemption for folks over 75 w/r taking off the shoes to go through security. Whee. Big step in the right direction.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 29, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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The TSA isn't diabolical, they're not smart enough.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Aug 29, 2015 - 06:49pm PT
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Never had much problem going through security, except for the time my wife tried to bring back a can of coconut soda in her carry-on from Tobago. That got them all excited for a few seconds, but when they saw what it was they just let us go.
Once I got onto a shuttle intending to get to my car in long-term parking and the driver says "I can drop you off, sir." He then made a U-turn, headed away from the lot, and went to the TSA office entrance, waving for me to get off. I was obviously confused, then he pointed to the Under Armor logo on my shirt collar and said "TSA, right?" I said "Uh, no..." and he apologized and took me to my car.
So I guess a lot of TSA guys wear Under Armor.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 30, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
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For what? They stand around in an air conditioned terminal all day.
The wife has a titanium reinforced femur from a riding accident. On Xrays it looks vaguely pistol shaped. She thought that was going to be the problem, but Noooooooooo!!!!
The screws just above her knee had sharp points. That got them all excited.
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