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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:27am PT
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Ok, hypothetical question:
Lets say that we all woke up tomorrow with no guns, everybody- the 'good' guys and the 'bad' guys, hell, even the cops. So... no guns.. question is- would we still have incidents like what happened in CO? Obviously without the guns, duh; I'm talking about the intention- would it still be there and acted out in another way by the people that do this stuff?
I guess, I'm wondering about symptoms vs cause of this societal disease.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:29am PT
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A gun is just an external extension of ones consciousness.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 23, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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I know of at least one 20+ year veteran with the Medford Sheriff Dept who would tell you 'no'.
I might expect that in Medford.
I don't know any that don't.
In fact, most are required to carry while off duty.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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What's so unreasonable about limiting the purchase of assault rifles to 1 per month?
Hundreds of these guns go into Mexico each day via straw purchases. Be a responsible owner and accept an assault rifle purchase limitation.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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Will somebody please take Cragmans guns away?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:45am PT
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I can't believe how you guys shred on each other! It makes my skin crawl.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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I rest my case.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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I can't belive how Ron shreds on his sledz....makes my hair stand on end....Dude is insane...!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:10pm PT
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kennyt...If your daughter was as good looking as Cragman's , you'd be carrying a shotgun to...!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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Cragman, I assume that you are probably a good guy with totally different beliefs than me.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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R.J., I'll keep that in mind.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:21pm PT
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I have quite a few wing nut, right wing, lunatic friends that I get along real well with. Hell, a few of them I actually admire! I'm never going to change their minds and they'll never change mine but I'm proud to have them call me their friend. (I'm a total bleeding heart liberal)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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Ken M, they are every much a baby as you are.
Really?
I can breath, they cannot.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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I definately appreciate the threads that are actually about climbing! But one thing I'm sure we can all agree on. Is that it's a Sad world we live in when we feel theneed to carry a gun into a theatre to protect are families
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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Though I'm certain we haven't had the same life experiences, I'm mildly curious why you choose not to expand on yours. Maybe you're ashamed. Maybe you're still concocting a good story. Maybe the fear of reliving those experiences here is simply more than you can bear.
This from a person who doesn't have the balls to post using his own name?
ha!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
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Ken has "many hundreds of police friends". ha.
Why don't you ask them if they carry a gun while off duty.
Why is it that the people who are posting stats in order show the huge number of gun deaths, are for the most part the same ones who say that the odds of using a gun in self defense are so minuscule?
Seems a bit contradictory.
Certainly many cops carry when off duty.
But ask them further. Generally, they are petrified at the thought of amateurs carrying in a tense situation.
Amateurs are not experienced with such situations, and they tend to shoot all over the place, shooting, for example, off-duty cops because they have drawn a gun......
I don't understand why the stats are contradictory?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
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KenM, you wrote:
Like George Zimmerman.
Like Theodore Kaczynski
Like Timothy McVey.
EXTRAORDINARY gun discipline.
By definition.
First off, jury's still out on Zimmerman, you may be right in your a*#umption, maybe not. And Teddy and Timmy were bombers if you don't remember. Unless I'm mixing up the uni-bomber and the ok city bomber guy, but I'm pretty sure those names stand out.
If you want to talk gun control, talk gun control. If you want to talk crazy sociopath control, talk crazy sociopath control. Just saying. There really isn't an argument to be made when you compare the fukin unibomber to someone that owns a firearm.
The assertion I was addredding was
The point is, that by definition, lawful gun owners are just that! They only use guns in self-defense, range-shooting, or hunting.
They also tend to exhibit extraordinary gun discipline, aka gun safety.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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What's so unreasonable about limiting the purchase of assault rifles to 1 per month?
Hundreds of these guns go into Mexico each day via straw purchases. Be a responsible owner and accept an assault rifle purchase limitation.
How about 1/year?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Thank's for the offer Cragman I will take you up on that one day. I would much rather talk building and climbing than this stuff. Now it's drying up and I'm off to pound nails.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 23, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
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Ken, let me help ya out here a bit....
When a seed of grass germinates, it becomes a blade of grass. When it gets poison sprayed on it, it dies.
When a lunatic comes into a theater and shoots a grown human being in a vital area, they die.
When a doctor, in a variety of possible ways, terminates a baby, it dies.
What part of that is a mystery to you?
the part where you make up the baby part.
When you go outside to cut the grass, does that mean you are going to move a sack of seed? No, seeds are not the same as grass.
When a lunatic comes into a theater and shoots an ungrown human being (a little girl), she dies too.
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