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raymond phule
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Oct 26, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
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K-man, Sketch is actually mostly correct in your last "discussion" and I am not really sure what you are trying to say. You seem to miss the main points of the two articles.
The main point in legates et. al. paper is that only a few abstracts explicitly stated that most of the warming has been due to man and they calculated a percentage of that relative to all papers. That information is also given in Cook et. al. It seems though that Legates also took away some more papers but that is really not important for their ridiculous conclusion (0.3% vs 0.5%).
I am kind of tired of hearing about those two papers. The cook et al. paper were (I believe) a novel way to determine the consensus and it gave a result similar to several other studies but it is not perfect or the final word or something like that.
The legates paper is mostly just ridiculous. You cant draw a sound conclusion using that method.
What I really miss is a own study performed by all the skeptics of the cook et al study but we know why they don't do that.
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raymond phule
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Oct 26, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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Section 3.
"The ISI search generated 12 465 papers. Eliminating papers that were not peer-reviewed (186), not climate-related (288) or without an abstract (47) reduced the analysis to 11 944 papers written by 29 083 authors and published in 1980 journals."
I thought that the 64 number were given in the article but I couldn't find it now so you need to look at the data given in the supplementary information
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/media/erl460291datafile.txt
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 26, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
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Back in the world of actual science instead of bloggy talking points, catching up on recent issues of Science I came across this in the 3 October issue:
Australia's record-setting heat wave in 2013 is directly linked to human-caused climate change, report five separate studies published this week in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. The five papers were part of a special issue of the journal, Explaining Extreme Events of 2013, which included 22 studies focusing on 16 different extreme weather events, including the California droughts and Colorado's extreme rains. But the studies found that any link between climate change and other extreme events, including droughts, floods, and storms, was murky. “[Attribution science] is hard, cutting-edge research,” said Stephanie Herring, the report's lead editor and a researcher at the U.S. National Climatic Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.
The complete AMS report can be downloaded from this page.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 26, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
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Funding.
Sketch ,or rather ,his blog paste said."Half of “climate research” money should be spent on improving the ability of public infrastructure to survive natural disasters."
How much money is that?
It has been discussed here before.
Look up how much has been spent on CC research.Go ahead .Compare.
Then realise by giving Energy corporations subsides,WE,whether you are a denier or not,are actually paying for the anti CC culture.
DIRECTLY.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 26, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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From "What We Know" by the AAAS, the largest US organization of scientists.
Surveys show that many Americans think climate change is still a topic of significant scientific disagreement. Thus, it is important and increasingly urgent for the public to know there is now a high degree of agreement among climate scientists that human-caused climate change is real. Moreover, while the public is becoming aware that climate change is increasing the likelihood of certain local disasters, many people do not yet understand that there is a small, but real chance of abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes with highly damaging impacts on people in the United States and around the world.
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1. Climate scientists agree: climate change is happening here and now. Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. This agreement is documented not just by a single study, but by a converging stream of evidence over the past two decades from surveys of scientists, content analyses of peer-reviewed studies, and public statements issued by virtually every membership organization of experts in this field. Average global temperature has increased by about 1.4˚ F over the last 100 years. Sea level is rising, and some types of extreme events – such as heat waves and heavy precipitation events – are happening more frequently. Recent scientific findings indicate that climate change is likely responsible for the increase in the intensity of many of these events in recent years.
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2. We are at risk of pushing our climate system toward abrupt, unpredictable, and potentially irreversible changes with highly damaging impacts.
The full "What We Know" report, a AAAS outreach effort, can be downloaded from the link above.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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K-man, Sketch is actually mostly correct in your last "discussion" ...
I see that Sketch has finally provided links to the supporting material listing the papers that classify as "level one criteria."
Although it did take a bit of coaxing to get him to provide the references.
No doubt, you think you've made a difference.
 Sketch
No, I don't think I've made much of a difference.
I did, however, spark a discussion. And I do believe I've added some positive contributions to the discussion.
But making an actual difference here? Naw...
How about you, Sketch, do you think you've made a positive impact here?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 27, 2014 - 08:53am PT
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plain old oooozing puss of complete Utopian Socialist Ideological Hypocritical Bullshet.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Oct 27, 2014 - 10:02am PT
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Malemute wrote:
^ more make-believe
I don't deny it, just trying to interject some humor and irony. ; )
The reason I have never been into political activism is because every political cause uses hyperbole to support it's position and strawmen arguments to misrepresent valid points made by it's opposition. The truth is too often a victim.
The biggest obstacle to the environmental movement in this country is the hyperbole of activists, which dilutes their valid points.
The biggest enemy of the environment per se is not republicans.
It is China, India, Nigeria, Brazil, Indonesia and other 3rd world large nations that are not environmentally responsible.
Many reasons for this, but it is the truth.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2014 - 11:33am PT
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The biggest enemy of the environment per se is not republicans.
It is China, India, Nigeria, Brazil, Indonesia and other 3rd world large nations that are not environmentally responsible.
Many reasons for this, but it is the truth.
This is the partial truth, but not the whole truth.
As the leading economic player, the US has a large role in guiding the world's energy policy. Our lawmakers don't just set policy in our own country, but they also influence the other leading countries of the world. The Republicans, with their anti-science platform, are very significant when it comes to the global position on energy policy.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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What's wrong Sketch, can't think of how to put together a reasoned reply?
What a shock.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
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Put it on the Republicans.... Yes, they are the anti-science party
What The Chief, you didn't read my links?
And no, not hate The Chief, just some facts.
But I can see how you, especially, would consider that "hate."
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 28, 2014 - 10:16am PT
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hadcrut4 has been updated for September. September were the hottest september on record so four of the last five months has been record months according to hadcrut.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 28, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
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Hey PHOOOOOOOOOOLE, you are full of bullshet.
Nothing of sorts here at the MET OFFICE...
O sh#t, do you ever think before posting or think at all? It might be possibly that I actually downloaded the hadcrut4 data and analyzed it myself. It really isn't that difficult to use google and read or download the data in a text file.
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