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Slabby D

Trad climber
B'ham WA
Apr 21, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
That diagram makes the whole endeavor look like such a bad idea.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 21, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
Ya think?

And it doesn't show the crazy amount of Seracs looming overhead on the left wall. Which apparently are what caused this tragedy
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Apr 21, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
The sherpa demands seem reasonable enough to someone (me) who knows little to nothing of the on-site policies or sentiments or realities. However I know the 3rd world, having married into it and lived in it part time my entire adult life. Even a cursory look at the laundry list of said demands discloses not only some considerable funds by 3rd world standards, but an elaborate calculus to determine who gets what requiring accounting tactics and the means and willingness to disburse the monies to the given parties. And it is this last factor - the willingness to disburse funds to others - that is all but a pipe dream in any 3rd world country on God's earth.

As an impoverished nations, permits of any kind (trekking, climbing, etc.) are going into impoverished hands to begin with. The chances of those funds ending up in the national economy at large are slight. For some of these funds to get siphoned off to other impoverished people (the sherpas) means that the first group of government folks will be done out of the money - something that only happens by force of circumstance in the 3rd world, and only then begrudgingly. Next, the publicized amount is NEVER the amount that the parties receive because the funds must first pass though various hands all requiring a fee or a commission. Yada yada.

Basically, as happens in all 3rd world countries, there is only slight change of the Sherpa's getting ALL their money unless it is directly or nearly directly handled by the climber clients. Money simply never moves fluidly in the 3rd world, not without chunks gouged out as sharks attack a hooked marlin.

JL
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 21, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
Thanks Largo. Obviously you speak from experience. I could give many such examples from Nepal. The difference here (I hope) is that so many outsiders are also involved.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 21, 2014 - 10:16pm PT
Meanwhile, here's some of the local coverage:



Govt has mountain to climb with Everest season in limbo
Wait and watch mode
Discovery cancels wing-suit dive


Govt has mountain to climb with Everest season in limbo
Forms task force to study the demands of mountaineering support staff and guides and come up with recommendations



RAJAN POKHREL

KATHMANDU: The government today formed a joint task force to study the demands put forth by protesting mountaineering support staff and guides following the deadliest avalanche on Mount Everest in its history on Friday that killed 13 Sherpas and left three missing.

The task force led by Joint Secretary Madhu Sudhan Burlakoti, Chief at the Mountaineering Department under the Ministry of Tourism and Civil Aviation, has been tasked with presenting recommendations and suggestions regarding demands put forth by mountaineering support staff and guides by Tuesday, reads a statement issued by MoTCA.

The task force comprises representatives from different stakeholders, including Nepal Mountaineering Association, Trekking Agency Association of Nepal and Expedition Operators’ Association, among others.

“The task force will present a report with suggestions and recommendations at tomorrow’s meeting with representatives of the expedition operators, agencies and mountaineering associations,” Burlakoti said.

Spring expeditions are hanging in a Himalayan limbo after mountaineering guides and climbers yesterday issued a seven-day ultimatum to the government to fulfil their 12-point demand. They have suspended all climbing and search activities in the Everest region.

An increment in insurance amount, adequate compensation, climbers’ memorial park and a basket fund for the wellbeing of support staff and guides are some of the demands the Sherpas have raised.

Earlier, a joint meeting called by MoTCA also discussed the issues raised by the mountaineers. “We urged the government representatives, including Tourism Secretary Sushil Ghimire, to consider the genuine demands raised by mourning mountaineers,” said Dambar Parajuli, President, Expedition Operators’ Association.

After the meeting, Burlakoti said in a statement that the government was ready to set up climbers’ memorial park with the support from different mountaineering bodies. The statement also reminded that Rs 40,000 each has already been announced to victims’ families as an immediate relief.

http://www.thehimalayantimes.com
/fullNews.php?headline=Govt+has+mountain+to+climb+with+Everest+season+in+limbo&NewsID=412500#sthash.VqWbov8Z.dpuf
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 21, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
And the Non Resident (Overseas) Nepalese Association has just announced they will give one million (about $10,000) to each Sherpa family.


"Meanwhile, the Sherpa guides are considering declaring this season as “Black Everest Year” and giving a rest to the summit of Mt. Everest this year – a demand raised by some environmentalists since long.

All expeditions have been suspended for the next one week owing to the avalanche incident. The Sherpa guides will decide about the “black year” during this week, it is learnt.
On the other hand, the government has appealed to the Sherpa guides to continue with their expeditions.
In a statement released today, the Ministry of Tourism said it is ready to meet all demands raised by the Sherpa guides concerning their physical safety and social security.

However, the government, so far, has not announced any relief program for the families of 13 dead, 3 missing and 9 injured Sherpa guides."

http://www.nepalnews.com/index.php/news/33587-nrn-association-to-provide-rs-1-million-to-each-dead-of-mt-everest-avalanche
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:19am PT
Ah Everest...big but far from beautiful. Your summit sought by so many, but for all the wrong reasons....no elegant lines to challenge one's expertise but fixed lines galore to allow your summit to feel the tread of monied clients. Do you feel exploited? A rest is being called for by sherpas and environmentalists. One year, you don't care....but then you soared above the dinosaurs, albeit a few feet shorter, and you will soar above a world without humans, albeit a few feet taller.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 22, 2014 - 11:31am PT
The Nepalese government has just announced new concessions to the Sherpas. Moving with lightning speed in a country where nothing happens fast, it shows their concern for the possibility of losing millions in revenue. it will be interesting to see, if it the offer is accepted.


Govt announces relief fund‚ more insurance for Sherpas
  

RAJAN POKHREL
Now‚ the respective District Development Committees‚ which get 30 per cent of royalty from mountaineering expeditions‚ will provide five per cent of the amount they receive to the relief fund

KATHMANDU: The government on Tuesday announced an increment in insurance for the Sherpa mountaineering support staff and guides, and made a commitment that certain amount of the royalty collected from the expedition teams will go to a mountaineering relief fund.

Now, each Sherpa will have a life insurance of Rs 15 lakh, which is more than Rs 5 lakh, and health insurance of Rs 4 lakh.

The Tourism Ministry made the announcement today after holding a meeting with the stakeholders in the wake of fatal avalanche in Mt Everest that killed at least 13 Sherpas. Three others are still unaccounted for. 

Now, the respective District Development Committees, which get 30 per cent of royalty from mountaineering expeditions, will provide five per cent of the amount they receive to the relief fund.

A guideline will be developed in two months to identify the cases and on how to use the fund.

But the fund will be used for the rehabilitation and capacity development of the injured, to support the family of victims of mountaineering mishaps, and rescue operations.

The Tourism Ministry further said that it will work out to provide more relief to the injured, and immediately pay the amount that insurance did not meet for the use of helicopters during rescue operation.

Also, the Ministry said it will give continuity to the provision that restricts taking helicopters above the Everest base camp without permisson, and except for rescue.

Likewise, the Ministry said all mountaineers are not allowed to dump any material they take during Everest expedition above the base camp.

Meanwhile, the Nepal Mountaineering Association will take up the responsibility to promote the virgin mountains that have been opened for mountaineering, according to today's decision.

Himalayan Times


http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Govt+announces+relief+fund%E2%80%9A+more+insurance+for+Sherpas&NewsID=412540&a=3
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
hey there say, jan... i just accidently saw this link, when i read that story that someone shared, about the climber, in austrailia???
that was caught/stuck between two boulders...


has anyone posted this link yet...
is it reliable?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-22/everest-sherpas-say-they-are-abandoning-climbing-season/5404642


oh, just saw this, in the above, that you had posted...
sorry, was skimming all fast, before i posted:


"Meanwhile, the Sherpa guides are considering declaring this season as “Black Everest Year” and giving a rest to the summit of Mt. Everest this year –

it seems it is matching what you had already posted may/was happening...
pc

climber
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
Ham and Eggs, et al,

I know nothing, first hand, about the region, politics, protocols, etc. But if as you say, the route through the icefall the last few years has sucked and was full of poor choices, why wouldn't the more experienced teams simply create a new/better route?

Is it a time/resource thing?

Same, but more extensive, as the fixed ropes on the steeper section/s above?

Why would anyone consider it a successful climb using fixed sh#t put there by someone else? But then, I don't get the aid climbing thing where folks jug the first few fixed pitches on an El Cap route either... And we climbers complain about folks "climbing/hiking" up the cable route on Half Dome as not being "climbers"? What's the diff?

Guck

Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
Guck

Trad climber
Santa Barbara, CA
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
pc

climber
Apr 22, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
Nice/Scary photo Guck!

Frickin' crazy! At least they spread out a bit while crossing ;)
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 22, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
It's hard to tell what's happening, but many Sherpas are starting to pack up and return home. This could be a bargaining ploy since the Nepalese government only offered them half of what they asked for, but the fact that the most important reincarnate lama has now said more will die if they continue, means I think, that the season is over.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 22, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
Looks like Mt Rainier or Mt Hood on a nice day.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Apr 22, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
Once again, Alan Arnette has the best summary of the situation.


Everest 2014: Season Stil Uncertain

Apr 22, 2014



The Ministry of Tourism has agreed to many of the Sherpa demands but this is far from over as to the future of the 2014 season, the benefits for the Sherpa and the future of climbing in Nepal.

Reports are coming in that a few Sherpa are stirring up the emotions at base camp demanding all Sherpa to stop climbing for the season. In addition, one report posted via Reuters on the New York Times has Lama Geshi telling the Sherpa “…. they should not go to the summit because more will die”

I spoke directly with a contact who is at EBC and he confirms the season is still uncertain, the Sherpas are still undecided and there remains a lack of trust around the agreement with the Ministry.

There was a large ceremony at EBC Tuesday to mourn the dead. People there said it was a wide range of emotions, primarily sorrow, but also anger. Similar to last year when the fight broke out between Simone Moro and two Sherpa, many in the Sherpa community seemed to come together feeling they were not being shown proper respect. This is not focused toward western climbers but more towards the Government of Nepal.

It is clear the major voices are from the young Sherpa, some who have been trained to international climbing standards and have International federation of Mountain Guide Association (IMFGA) certification.

Two expeditions who lost Sherpa in the serac release have canceled their season: Alpine Ascents and Adventure Consultants.

The largest teams including Himalayan Experience (Himex) , Altitude Junkies, International Mountain Guides (IMG) are still at EBC and will continue the season if there is enough Sherpa support.

Individual climbers are in a wait and see stance, spending time with the Sherpa, getting know them better. Some climbers are doing acclimatization climbs on nearby trekking peaks trying to stay prepared when/if the season continues.

Many of the Sherpa have returned to EBC to attend the ceremony today but some are still in the homes down valley, a days walk from EBC. I’m told that many of the Sherpa are willing to continue climbing but will not go against the trend.

A meeting will be held in Kathmandu Wednesday April 23, perhaps with Nepal’s Prime Minister, to address the Sherpa concerns with an objective of bringing a signed agreement back to EBC so the Sherpa can make an informed decision on continuing the season.

I’m told that no decision has been made by the greater Sherpa community at EBC nor from the Ministry of Tourism thus contradicting major news media reports. This information is first hand from people there and owners of major guide companies.

The emotions are strong and varied. I’m told the elder Sherpa are devastated by the loss of life. Everyone knew someone who died in the Sherpa community. This is a unparalleled loss and has reached deep into their culture.

In addition, it has major implications for the future of climbing in the Khumbu and across Nepal. Depending on the overall reaction, it has the potential to change a way of life developed over the last 100 years in tourism and mountaineering for the Sherpa people. I don’t want to exaggerate the situation but it is important to underscore the seriousness. The loss of life has brought into focus the real dangers of climbing these mountains and life changing choices are being made.

This is now more about the future of the Sherpa economy than foreigners climbing mountains.

Climb On!

Alan

Memories are Everything
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Apr 22, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
This is now more about the future of the Sherpa economy than foreigners climbing mountains.

It might be just a little about Sherpas dying because they take most of the risks and their families aren't taken care of when they die.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Apr 22, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
A very interesting story:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/04/everest-sherpas-death-and-anger.html?printable=true¤tPage=all#ixzz2zcmLvf8S

For many years, the most lucrative commercial guiding operation on Mt. Everest has been a company called Himalayan Experience, or Himex, which is owned by a New Zealand mountaineer named Russell Brice.

In the spring of 2012, more than a month into the climbing season, he became increasingly worried about a bulge of glacial ice three hundred yards wide that was frozen tenuously to Everest’s West Shoulder, hanging like a massive sword of Damocles directly over the main route up the Nepal side of the mountain. Brice’s clients (“members,” in the parlance of Himalayan mountaineering), Western guides, and Sherpas repeatedly had to climb beneath the threatening ice bulge as they moved up and down the mountain to acclimatize and establish a series of higher camps necessary for their summit assault.

One day, Brice timed how long it took his head guide, Adrian Ballinger (“who is incredibly fast,” he wrote in the blog post excerpted below), to climb through the most hazardous terrain:

It took him 22 min from the beginning to the end of the danger zone. For the Sherpas carrying a heavy load it took 30 min and most of our members took between 45 min and one hour to walk underneath this dangerous cliff. In my opinion, this is far too long to be exposed to such a danger and when I see around 50 people moving underneath the cliff at one time, it scares me.

Adding to Brice’s concern, some of his most experienced Sherpas, ordinarily exceedingly stoical men, approached him to say that the conditions on the mountain made them fear for their lives. One of them actually broke down in tears as he confessed this.

So on May 7, 2012, Brice made an announcement that shocked most of the thousand people camped at the base of Everest: he was pulling all his guides, members, and Sherpas off the mountain, packing up their tents and equipment, and heading home.

He was widely criticized for this decision in 2012, and not just by clients who were forced to abandon their dreams of climbing the world’s highest mountain without receiving a refund for the forty-three thousand euros they had paid him in advance. Many of the other expedition leaders also thought Brice was wildly overreacting.

The reputation of Himex took a major hit.

bootysatva

Trad climber
Idylwild Ca
Apr 22, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
Are there any other mountains in that area?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Apr 22, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
The truly scary thing about Guck's photo is the total lack of snow and ice on the Hilary Step.
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