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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 13, 2009 - 07:46pm PT
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Has anybody had good (or any) results with any nutritional supplements for nerve regeneration?
I've heard all kinds of things might help (octocosanol, trimethylglycine (TMG), B12, Ashawaganda, etc., etc.)...
Just thought I'd throw this out there - after searching the net it all gets kind of overwhelming. I'm especially interested in nerve damage and regeneration from spinal cord injuries but also anything else related.
Or treatments like accupuncture, magnets, trigger point massage, etc. ?
Thanks in advance, jb
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:11pm PT
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Not a good outlook John, is it sensory or motor? The medical field generally says (as I'm sure you've already researched)after about 6 months fa geta 'bout it!
Once worked with this MVA client that had motor nerve damage(foot/ankle) and after about 18 months post started to get some movement back in certain planes. Used a combination of active assisted, resistive and electrical stim to get things "moving", but even that was minimal. It could have been latent movement that just had to be reminded to get moving, or it could have been the treatments...hard to say. If it's sensory....I have no experience with that other than the longer it's been since the incident, the less likely a good outcome.
Shoot me an email or call bro, we can talk.
Good luck in gathering some good info that is helpful.
Peace
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:16pm PT
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Yes
Ghee, purified gold and silver. I have the stuff and only one guy on this planet knows how to make it.
You can't buy it anywhere except from this guy. I lost contact with him. It's and ancient Ayurvedic formula with vedic mantras injected into it also.
A lot of good that does you now, eh ..... :-)
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2009 - 09:44pm PT
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Werner,
Yes I have tried Etherium Gold. It's supposed to be an ORME, Orbitally Rearranged Mono-atomic Element, gold powder but who knows. I bought it on the internet.
I have read incredible things about gold but when it comes to getting the "real" stuff, I have no idea - there's a lot of claims out there on the net and it's hard to decipher what to try.
Want to sell me a dime bag? or trade for some "golden shooz" ?
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LuckyPink
climber
the last bivy
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:11pm PT
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the usual western medicine approach doesn't see a good rehab for nerve regeneration. But restoring nerve function and healing muscular skeletal symptoms (and others) is the basic premise of chiropractic medicine and many other non AMA approaches. Start with a really good chiropractic referal and have a long conversation first.
or go to a QuiGong clinic in China.
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
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I'll try a bunch of stuff first before I let somebody "crack" my spine.... sorry, it's psychological.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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John
Nerve regeneration requires complete cleanliness. No sex, no alcohol, no smoking, no meat eating of any kind, clean clean clean, is the mantra.
Your consciousness must become completely clean for the kundalini to rise from the lower chakras to heal. The kundalini moves through the spinal nerves.
Only then can the Ayurvedic medicines have their real effect.
A destroyed vehicle needs a complete rebuild.
Not just an oil change .....
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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Three words...
Stem cell research.
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rhyang
climber
SJC
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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Just googled that Etherium Gold stuff .. hilarious :)
btw I'm going up to Mt. Shasta next week to meet with some Lemurians -- I'll let you know what they come up with.
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MUR
climber
A little to the left of right
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:17pm PT
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I think Ron hit the nail on the head. I have dealt with nerve issues all my life, but they are genetic, (CMT), and I am basically SOL. What is the issue exactly? Injury induced? I'm assuming this is based in your extremities? (hands/feet?) Sometimes, what we perceive to be nerve damage, is in-fact simply a nerve bundle that is under pressure. (sorry layman's terms). Massage and trigger point has helped me a bit, but nerves are a tricky business.
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jbar
Social climber
urasymptote
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:26pm PT
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Have heard a little about transcranial magnetic stimulation being used to treat spinal cord injury but I haven't done any research. I have used a magnetic pad system meant for race horses to treat a gas embolism in my shoulder that seemed to work but I don't know if it was that or all the other crap I was doing or maybe just the heat made it feel better.
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Jim Wilcox
Boulder climber
Santa Barbara
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:33pm PT
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Check out Wake Forest and their success in growing transplantable organs. Pretty amazing.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
East SF Bay Area
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Apr 14, 2009 - 01:05am PT
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I had Guillen Barre 10 years ago and still haven't gotten al the feeling back in my lower legs. I would love to hear whatever you find out.
BTW, JB I learned a new grip for a cut fastball, safe for all ages no strain on arm but this nasty things cuts and dives. And it's all grip no strange twisting of the arm or wrist.
JV
Martinez, CA
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 14, 2009 - 01:09pm PT
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Good info all...thanks.
B12, Cordyceps....hmmm. I've heard of other mushrooms that are good for the nervous system too?
I do feel better after I get trigger point massage in my shoulder. I pinched my C6/C7 disc and had a cervical fusion there two and a half years ago. Now it seems like there's growing weakness in my shoulder, upper arm and fingers.
It almost feels like some nerve pathways are getting pinched but I'm just guessing on that one. That also may be why the trigger point stuff seems to help the most???
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 14, 2009 - 01:31pm PT
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I have had good luck with some chiropractors and terrible with others. Find a good one and sometimes you can get fixed allmost instantly. I found a guy who was on the training staff for the US olympic team and it turned my life arround. Accupunctuer just cost me a bunch of money with no real results I do have a totally diferent issue though. Most of my bad is @ the 4 &5L Totaly numb and weak left leg when it goes out.
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 14, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
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I have no illusions that my arm will ever be "normal" again but I'm just hoping for some kind of relief program that can help.
How about Rolfing? I was going to try that. I'm sure my posture is getting whacked out in that area.
Shiatsu?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Apr 14, 2009 - 01:50pm PT
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I genuinely need to regenerate my nerve, with my new scramblers, I'm half way there...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 14, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
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John
I never tried any of those treatments when I lost some
nerves in my back after taking a big fall, hit a pop bottle hidden in leaves while jogging. At first the neurologist
said I had muscular dystrophy, a genetic disease not in my family ever. But I went to physical therapy for a year doing
strength building exercises (after the accident occurred, it was difficult to lift a coffee cup with two hands). . .
I got maybe 90-95% back and it hasn't seemed to affect me any longer, but it's different than having a pinched nerve like
what you seem to be experiencing--maybe that's why the massage
is helping you. In any event, I hope you'll be doing okay.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day
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Apr 14, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
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John:
I've compressed and fractured 3 vertabrae. They're not fused though. I'm a regular at a chiropracter anymore to the point that I can pedal a rigid singlespeed for 24 hours. I still can't climb worth a crap though.
Yeah it's nothing like you're dealing with. But if you find the right one you will see the light. No more jokes about the bottom third of med school and can bench press 200 pounds. The good ones are real good.
If you give a slideshow in Boise I'll set you up real good.
Yeah, it's psychological but so is the rope, right?
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 14, 2009 - 02:08pm PT
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Chief,
Good advice, sounds promising. I wish I could afford the PT - maybe Robinson needs some shooz! hahaha
TC, I'd love to give a slide show in Boise...would anybody come? heh heh... I still don't know about the "cracking" thing - that's how I got into this in the first place! yikes...
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