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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 10, 2007 - 11:13am PT
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Last night I picked up a DVD from National Geographic, called "Secrets of Yosemite" (or something similar). It had this story of some hikers who went up Half Dome despite an incoming electrical storm, and two of them got fried. Two others seriously injured, and one, who was luckily in motion at the time of lightening strike, was relatively okay.
It got me to thinking about the YOSAR rescue in that storm on El Cap a few years ago and some of the internet stories I have heard from people who volunteered for a season or whatever.
I thought it might make an interesting thread to ask if people can share some of their experiences on the earlier days of YOSAR; how things worked, freaky stories, pictures, and stuff.
Anyone?
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 10, 2007 - 12:20pm PT
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Warning:
Copyright 2007 SuperTopo LLC
Right at the bottom of this page!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2007 - 12:25pm PT
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Kathy - Do it! Well....don't spend your vacation time doing it...But it is for sure a worthy project. As for the copyright thing that TiG said - please. (Why is he such a killjoy?) Guess you;d better get right on JLong for the post where he asked about Stonemaster stuff, and Licky with the potplane....
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Dec 10, 2007 - 12:40pm PT
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YOSAR history might be very interesting for some set of potential buyers, Happie.
Why the name calling? My comment was not even about the topic. It was about the concept of "public domain".
That something is "published" does not make it public domain, but it is a requirement for a copyright.
IANAL, but I suspect that the ownership of any material on this web-site is owned as indicated.
What I have often wondered, was where the liability for infringing materials posted here lies. I have no idea of that.
You could look at the two other threads more carefully and probably discover that the two authors are looking for references or sources, not actual material for them to publish.
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john hansen
climber
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Dec 10, 2007 - 10:54pm PT
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This definatly need's a bump , just for Russ's story.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2007 - 12:06am PT
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I just read Russ's stuff too - He's really got a great style. Fun NEE.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2007 - 12:45am PT
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I think a YOSAR history would be a great story and a great read... just the few stories I've heard over the years, and some of the stories posted here among these pages, would be terrific.
That being said, there are few who might buy such a book, but who knows...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 11, 2007 - 04:55am PT
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Hey turd,
When are we gonna hit the ice?
Dave
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 11, 2007 - 05:09am PT
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So are you
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turd
climber
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Dec 12, 2007 - 07:02am PT
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Blinny -
Grew up not too far from the 3rd one. Haven't spent enough time in the 4th one yet, but I agree with you. Words fail me.
Divad - When you coming up? Warm winter so far down low. If you don't mind long approaches though...
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Dec 12, 2007 - 11:24am PT
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So I'm curious: Are you interested in a history of YOSAR or of the SAR sites in the Valley and TM? A history of YOSAR would probably only appeal to a small circle. YOSAR, after all, is much more than the group of climbers who make themselves available to help with rescues (the group most climbers think of when they imagine YOSAR). There's a long line of ranger-climbers, paid technicians, and associated NPS staff who have done concretely more to shape YOSAR than almost any climber (Werner is perhaps an obvious exception). But is anyone really interested in the changes Jeff Power brought about during his tenure as Yosemite Fire Air Ops manager? Vital stuff but, unless you're a SAR history buff, probably not very compelling reading.
But a history or better yet, a compilation of stories from both the SAR sites would be a lot of fun to read. Just getting John Dill's story down on paper would be a significant accomplishment and would make for fascinating reading.
Martin
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jstan
climber
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Dec 12, 2007 - 03:38pm PT
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Copyright
As I understand it the inherent copyright exists, independently of whether it is "published", immediately as the original work is rendered on a medium. Publishing, or otherwise presenting it in a public forum, registering the work, etc. may have bearing on a successful attempt to defend the copyright, but the right itself exists as soon as the work is rendered.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2007 - 05:28pm PT
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Clint - Thanks for the link. Having not yet been to Yosemite, I have only visual references from tv shows and pictures posted in places like STopo.
The shot with the person just come off the helicopter, jumping onto the rocks with the copter just feet above is pretty intense. One of the shits you posted above was pretty punch-in-the-gut reality-biting, but that other picture really does show how precarious the situations cane be.
As for why I asked about the history, it started just as an attempt to get a climbing-related thread on the front page, as it was swarming with National Enquirer type headlines at the time. I thought peole would have tons of stories and they'd put up little snippets and such, but I guess I misjudged. Maybe because along with all the fun times, the people involved who saw the serious side firsthand wouldn't be so inspired to start sharing so quickly.
I think if Kath did research and do a book, she would know how to get what needed into it. While for sure a book focused on the climber's aspect of Yosemite would pretty much appeal only to a sub-sect of climbers, I think that as the poster said - a more overall view would be interesting to a much broader audience.
Lots of people want to know about those who have done the sort of service that s&r does, just like they are interested in knowing what fire fighters, police and military personnel face in their day to day duties.
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soaring_bird
Trad climber
Cheyenne, WY
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Dec 12, 2007 - 07:04pm PT
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Tim Setnika's book on Wilderness Search and Rescue published in the 80's has a few good photos and accounts of some YOSAR rescues from many years ago. Another interesting book with a wealth of NPS SAR stories (including several YOSAR accounts)was written by an old Ranger named Butch Farabee who finally retired about eight or ten years ago. Of course a complete collection of Accidents in North American Mountaineering would give a brief snapshot of many YOSAR incidents in an abbreviated objective format. I believe we would all like to someday read the complete legend and lore of this esteemed institution... perhaps John Dill, or Keith Lober, or even Werner are up to the task of writing and publishing such a beast. They could even contract the writing/editing out to Chongo so he could be dutifully employed in the Valley. Now that would be a deep philosophical piece of work.... uh... maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea after all. :)
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 12, 2007 - 07:14pm PT
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happie,
You should check out the link for the real captions for the few photos I happened to pick from the larger set. The helicopter shot is just taking a sling load of gear down to the valley floor (not a body in that gray bundle). The guy who is crouching did not jump off the helicopter - the crouching is just a natural position when those blades are whirling overhead - you don't want to stand too tall and get an unplanned haircut (or worse)!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2007 - 09:05pm PT
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I did look at the links, and read some of the captions(though not all - didn't read the one with the slings that O thought was a body...oops!).
On the heli one, the thing that made me think "oh" was that it said the weight(of the load, if I'm remembering right) coming off made the helicopter shift upward.
That's when I clicked the picture to make it bigger, and it just seemed to me to be an awesome(not meaning "cool" awesome) thing to be maneuvering helicopters in that surrounding.
I did think that your post's middle pic was a person inside though....my error. Not very experienced in accidents and recovery (thankfully).
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Dec 13, 2007 - 07:52pm PT
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"perhaps John Dill, or Keith Lober, or even Werner are up to the task of writing and publishing such a beast."
Likely response: "Too busy"
I'd say go with the compilation idea.
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