Boy Injured In Flagstaff - was using non-climbing biners

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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 11, 2018 - 09:41am PT
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2018/09/10/12-year-old-boy-rescued-after-20-foot-fall-while-climbing-flagstaff/1263687002/

A 12-year-old boy was seriously injured Monday when he fell 20 feet while rock climbing with his family in Flagstaff, the Coconino County Sheriff's Office said.

The boy was climbing just after 1 p.m. with his family in an area known as The Pit, near the Canyon Vista Campground. Them he fell, injuring his head and wrist.

The Flagstaff Fire Department the Sheriff's Office and other emergency crews responded to the accident.

The Sheriff's Office determined the boy fell while trying to clip his rope into the third bolt on the ascent. Carabiners — couplings that lock the rope in place — that were attached to two other bolts broke, causing him to fall to the base of the climb that was 20 feet down, the Sheriff's Office said.

After inspecting his carabiners, the Sheriff's Office found they were not rated for climbing.
Jody

climber
Occupied Territory
Sep 11, 2018 - 09:46am PT
They are a lot cheaper at Home Despot.
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Sep 11, 2018 - 09:59am PT
It sounds reasonable to think they were real biners, even for an adult. Good opportunity for a product liability case to get those dangerous things off the market.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 11, 2018 - 10:05am PT
The operative clause: “with his family.”

“Hey, dad, hold my beer!”
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 11, 2018 - 10:15am PT
With the excellent quality of counterfeit goods coming from our Asian producers it always amazes me anyone uses climbing related commodities bought off of Ebay or the like...

Gotta wonder how many fake Putzl biners are out there.... holding the typical 4k falls... until they don't.

AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Sep 11, 2018 - 10:26am PT
Big difference between key clipping biners at the Home Depot checkout and the real stuff.
How much actual fake gear has been found and what were the technical specs?
Is there a good info source/articles on fake gear?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 11, 2018 - 10:32am PT
My wife has a set of heavy chains for weight training. You hook them to the bar so the higher you lift the heavier the load as the chains come up off the floor.

Anyway, the set came with four carabiners which I mistook for BD ovals until I looked more closely. They are unmarked, have no weight spec, and the metal doesn't look quite right. But at first glance they look exactly like the real thing.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 11, 2018 - 10:40am PT
Somehow he made it to the 3rd bolt of an actual rock climb.

If the least expensive and most basic element of his climbing setup was wrong - I'm very curious what the rest looked like!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2018 - 10:46am PT
There was a story in one of the mags from a climber who got caught in a storm at he base of a climb. They set up a shelter using slings and biners. The biner off his water bottle made it onto a sling and got used at a belay when they started climbing. Do not even carry that junk to the crags.
ec

climber
ca
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:14am PT
CrowdFund a rack for that kid!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:17am PT
The BD lookalike I mentioned above is 6 grams lighter than the real thing.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:21am PT
I've noticed fake biner creep into various products. For example I got those latest rage hammocks for my kids to take to summer camp and they came with non-climbing biners that look almost exactly like those mini-Metolious biners. I throw all them all away for the reason described by John Beck above. I hope the kid heals up alright.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:30am PT
I think I'll send one of those BD lookalikes to BD. I'll bet they'd be interested in seeing and testing it.

I am really curious what the unfortunate young man was using. And I hope he comes out of this well.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:39am PT
Kris, could you post a photo of the fake beside a real BD ‘biner ?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:41am PT
Darwinism.


Those little fake biners are very useful wall climbing for keeping stuff handy without using up freebies.


Its climbing, not ping pong. If you get stupid you get dead.
ec

climber
ca
Sep 11, 2018 - 11:45am PT
Cease and Desist!

‘reminds me of Disney sending a rep to a friend of mine who then, owned a taqueria. The dude was there to check-out these ‘Disney’ piñatas for sale. Total bullish!t, like their gonna stop that stuff by litigation. Who knows where they were made (in Mexico).

My friend was wise and stated, “No, these aren’t Disney piñatas...they’re Disney look-a-likes; Minny Mouse look-a-like, Donald Duck look-a-like...”

That was the end of that...

 ec
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Sep 11, 2018 - 12:05pm PT

Kris, could you post a photo of the fake beside a real BD ‘biner ?

Credit: Ksolem
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 11, 2018 - 12:08pm PT
Now tell us which is ‘real’, please.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 11, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
Another reason not to buy Black Diamond.
socialclimber

climber
CA
Sep 11, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
Ron,
Can you elaborate? You are saying we shouldn't buy BD because... it's not really clear.

Thanks,
Charles
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