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John M
climber
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Nov 18, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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Thanks for the Mark Blythe video.. I believe he nails it. On a different thread Kingtut said that people should make their decisions about who should be president based on whether they promise a job or not, and he is in part correct. But the dissatisfaction in this country with the wealth disparity created by the elite is a problem. They have cleverly gotten people to cry foul over "wealth redistribution" in taxes, while hiding from these same people the very wealth redistribution in the new globalization rules that created the need for "wealth redistribution taxes". This rings just like the French revolution. Let them eat cake.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 18, 2016 - 11:26am PT
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Trump threads continue to get locked here quicker than Ondra is sending the Dawn Wall
Right.
So, maybe, just maybe, we don't need yet another propaganda-ridden thread to "hash this out" some more.
What can be said has been said. There's no "dialog," just drive-by-shootings and increasingly vile personal attacks, which is why these threads keep getting locked.
Let's give it a rest. None of our opinions (or those of the pundits) are important enough to be worth the cesspools these threads all become.
My vote is that you delete this thread, the Taco Stand collectively takes a deep, cleansing breath, and then we all just leave it alone.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 18, 2016 - 11:36am PT
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I'm curious though what happened to the "Response to Trumpism" thread to get it locked.
It shows 637 posts on the forum lead page, but the thread maxes out at 612 posts. Did something happen this morning that was particularly nasty (I was working and didn't see it for few hours).
Basically I'd like to have some idea of why it was locked because I certainly didn't see any reason for it. Anyone?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 18, 2016 - 11:39am PT
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It got locked because libtard are protesting..
2weeks has gone bye and libtards are drinking more kool aid than can imagine..
TRUMP IS AWESOME!
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Nov 18, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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This rings just like the French revolution. Let them eat cake.
To me it rings of the unholy alliance between the so-called progressive/socialist Left, both in the US and in Europe, and these normally non-ideological globalist elites. They have thrown in their lot with one another. Both find it necessary to consistently advance the overarching interests and unchecked power of large, centralized government at the expense of the individual -- hence such organizations as the EU, which has been masquerading as merely a regional trade block.
Moreover, the nation state is squarely in the crosshairs of these forces. They see the traditional nation state as outmoded and an impediment to their accumulation of totalitarian control on a global scale. In the US this ultimately means the elimination of the Constitution and its guarantees of individual liberty.
One of the many implications of the recent US elections is that it is a blow and a bit of a setback to these forces, much like the Brexit vote in the UK.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Nov 18, 2016 - 11:53am PT
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madbolter,
I didn't post this this to promote an agenda; however, I certainly have been one to post inflammatory stuff on others' threads.
I started this thread because I, like many others, really didn't see a Trump win coming.
The links I posted filled in a lot of blanks for me and maybe others will do the same.
but, If the consensus is to take the thread down, I will.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 18, 2016 - 12:09pm PT
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Basically I'd like to have some idea of why it was locked because I certainly didn't see any reason for it. Anyone?
Walls of text. Calling posters racists. Repeated pics of our future first lady, in next to nothing. Hard to say. Maybe Chris is fed up with all the petty crap that's a regular part of political threads.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 18, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
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If this forum is any indication, I'll kill myself before I hit my 60s.
Is that a promise or a threat?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 18, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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TRUMP IS AWESOME, NOT!!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 18, 2016 - 12:59pm PT
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The new Melania/Palin calendar is gonna be awesome!
We got a porn star for a first lady!!
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Nov 18, 2016 - 02:00pm PT
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It happened because good people don’t smoke marijuana, lol!
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Nov 18, 2016 - 03:11pm PT
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Someone above mentioned the Trump victory comparison to Brexit...
Here is an outsider's view of what happened here and in the UK:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Nov 18, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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his guy pretty much captured my view.
Really??? That view pretty much sums up for me every serial abuser that says "oh, I'm so sorry, I won't hit you again, please give me a chance....I'm basically a good person". And every person who's been abused and falls for it.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Trump's fooled folks over and over and over. A leopard doesn't change its spots. His rhetoric was all about his character under the thinest veneers of policy.
Susan
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 18, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
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For once I agree with madbolter. Right now you're either happy to see America return to the 1950's or you're not.
Pray for peace but prepare for war.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 18, 2016 - 08:25pm PT
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Right now you're either happy to see America return to the 1950's or you're not
Unlikely. With Trump's affection for Putin we won't be returning to anything like the 1950s. Unless Putin attempts to reestablish the Soviet Union.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Nov 18, 2016 - 09:54pm PT
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Nov 19, 2016 - 02:54am PT
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given the thread initiating post, i'd like to interrupt this thread to make the following public service announcement:
for those that aren't aware, the word "tranny" is a bit like the words "nigger" or "faggot"...
while some trans folks reclaim it and use it with pride, the majority, at this point in history, understand it to be a derogatory slur...
i mention this, because i assume it was not meant as the latter in the original post... and for folks not in the community i get that the words used to describe trans folks, due to there relative obscurity and continued evolution, can be confusing...
if my assumption is wrong, i'm also not mentioning this to police words. i think people should use the language that they see fit. for example, i think those who think black people are niggers, or gay people are faggots should use those words... it makes it easier to know who a person is if they speak with honesty...
but i also want those, who are interested in other folks' experience, to understand that the history of the word tranny means that trans folks, in general, have very strong contextually dependent reactions to the word [whether good or bad] and so like nigger or faggot, its use should be intentional and not without thought.
as a quick primer for those that don't know, the reason most trans people receive tranny as a pejorative is due to its having a connotation [for many] that a person is "pretending" to be somebody they are not and it has in the past been a way for some outsiders to attempt to control, through the use of language, other people's identities.
while many trans folks may not be the gender that other people expect based on other indicators, this does not mean an outside person has the right to attempt to define who they are.
just as being gay is not a choice, trans individuals are in general expressing who they are, rather than trying to "fool" anybody [given the shades of the rainbow, there are of course exceptions]...
thank you, in advance, for your attention in these matters... :)
and now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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