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clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 9, 2016 - 02:59am PT
Our own all american Kim Jong-un!

I believed there was no way for Trump to win this election. To think of all the good things Trump could have done for the people of North Korea if only they could have been the ones lucky enough to have him as a choice leader choice.

I hope Trump's Brother From Another Mother Foreign Policy works out on the world stage.




jaaan

Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Nov 9, 2016 - 03:05am PT
He looks like Boris Yeltsin (when he was alive, of course).
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2016 - 03:14am PT



LMAOETWAF

The red button brothers. How do I explain this to my border collie?

clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2016 - 03:38am PT
Putin is happy.

Edward Lucas is a senior editor at The Economist, where he was the Moscow bureau chief from 1998 to 2002. He has covered Central and Eastern Europe for more than 20 years. He is also senior vice-president at the Center for European Policy Analysis, a think tank in Warsaw and Washington, DC.
The opinions expressed in this article belong to the author.

(CNN)Yikes. That, put crudely, is the reaction of America's European allies to Donald Trump's victory. Meanwhile in the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin will be popping open the Shampanskoye.

The Republican candidate has long been skeptical about NATO. In 2000, in his book "The America we Deserve," he advocated allowing east Europeans to settle their age-old conflicts without American intervention.
That view may have been prompted by the war in ex-Yugoslavia. These days, Europe's security worries focus on the threat from Vladimir Putin's Russia.

Mr Trump doesn't share those worries. During the campaign he hinted that the United States would defend only NATO allies that paid their full share of the defense burden.

Newt Gingrich, a putative secretary of state, went even further, saying that he doubted America should defend Estonia from Russian attack, because the small Baltic nation was in the "suburbs of St Petersburg." (Note to Professor Gingrich: Estonia's border is actually a good 50 miles from that Russian city. Estonia is also one of the handful of American allies which does meet NATO's target of spending 2% of GDP on defense).

A Trump presidency will shake to its foundations a US commitment to European security that dates back to 1941. Europe still depends on the United States for the bulk of NATO's military muscle (especially nuclear weapons, heavy armor, air power and logistics) and for intelligence collection and diplomatic heft.

Europeans will now be scrambling to fill that gap. Many may regret they didn't do it earlier. Senior US officials have been warning them for years of the consequences of spending too little on defense (and of spending that money wrongly).

Mr Putin, by contrast, has received the biggest boost of his 17 years in power. His big goal has always been to rewrite the rules on which European security is based. From a Western point of view, this post-1991 settlement seems set in stone, and unquestionably good. Big countries pursue their national interests with restraint, in a multilateral framework. Small countries get a say in what happens. Disputes are settled in court or over the negotiating table, not by force of arms.
From the Kremlin's point of view, this security order is intolerable. The rules of the game were written when Russia was weak, following the Soviet collapse. It treats the largest country in the world by landmass -- and the biggest in Europe by population -- as if it were just another player.

Russia has long sought a game changer. It has tested Western resolve with its cyber attack on Estonia in 2007, with the war in Georgia in 2008, and with the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. It stoked division and mistrust in the Atlantic alliance -- not least through sponsoring the NSA defector Edward Snowden -- and within Western countries (notably in the US election campaign).
It met little penalty for breaking those rules. And now it faces a US president who does not believe in them either. Game and set to Putin. The match is in his grasp, too.
Sula

Trad climber
Pennsylvania
Nov 9, 2016 - 06:37am PT
Europeans will now be scrambling to fill that gap. Many may regret they didn't do it earlier. Senior US officials have been warning them for years of the consequences of spending too little on defense (and of spending that money wrongly).

This might actually be a positive development.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:02am PT
Jody is happy. Killing black people will become even more acceptable.


Curt
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:12am PT
klaus

climber
Linda Mar
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:14am PT
Y'all move to Canada or Mexico yet?
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:14am PT
Curt,

That's not a fair comment to direct at Jody. Yes, he's conservative. Yes, he calls himself a Christian.

But he made clear his view that Trump is a fool. He made that clear long ago. I think he made it clear too that he didn't vote for this evil idiot.

He's entitled to laugh about this unbelievable situation.

You want to pick on conservatives who claim to be Christians? Try others on the site. There are plenty of hypocritical Christians here to go around (as an example, wouldn't Jesus live in a multi-million dollar house?).
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:14am PT
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ

Oct 17, 2016 - 09:45pm PT
I love Trump. His loss will be epic and he's going to drag Republicans in the US Senate down with him. Excellent.



Good call, Curt.
WBraun

climber
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:18am PT
(as an example, wouldn't Jesus live in a multi-million dollar house?)

He lives in the heart of every single living entity .........
c wilmot

climber
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:18am PT
Like in Ukraine the left hates democratically elected leaders. Predictable how quick the "deal with it" crowd is making dictator comparisons
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:33am PT
Wilmot, what would you know about life in the Ukraine? Are you an ex commie?
c wilmot

climber
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:36am PT
10b we helped overthrow their democratically elected leader. Perhaps inform yourself-then comment?
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Nov 9, 2016 - 07:42am PT
I woke up this morning and my house is still standing, my dog is still alive, and I have gas in my car.

Oh, and I can smoke pot legally
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 9, 2016 - 08:00am PT
Until Jan 21st




If he's convicted of child rape next month can he still be inaugurated?
c wilmot

climber
Nov 9, 2016 - 08:04am PT
The woman claiming she was raped by trump as a child dropped her lawsuit days ago
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 9, 2016 - 11:38am PT
Certainly not implausible.

It seemed like that was all going to change Wednesday, when the woman, who has gone by the pseudonyms “Katie Johnson” and “Jane Doe,” was set to appear at a press conference at the law offices of Lisa Bloom, a high-profile civil rights attorney and TV commentator. But the woman didn’t come to the press conference. Bloom told a room full of waiting reporters that Johnson was afraid to show her face after receiving multiple death threats, and that they would have to reschedule.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 9, 2016 - 11:45am PT


I certainly understand the frustration of voting for a losing candidate in a presidential election, having done so three elections in a row, and 6 times in my lifetime. For me, the best coping strategy has been to refrain from substantive comment for a day or two, other than hoping for the best despite deep pessimism. I see no reason to change my m. o. now.

John
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 9, 2016 - 11:46am PT

The woman claiming she was raped by trump as a child dropped her lawsuit days ago

I wonder how much $ she got for that. Trump change!

edit; what she dropped was the press conference, Not the lawsuit!
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