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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 5, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Right Wing Extremists Are More Dangerous Than Isis

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html


Read the article.



Clearly, these were not the typical “Islamic terrorists” described in the boogeyman stories of American politicians who exploit fear for votes. Glendon Crawford, the industrial mechanic who conceived the plan, has all the panache of a Macy’s shoe salesman; Eric Feight, a software engineer who helped build the device, looks like a less impish version of Kurt Vonnegut. But their harmless appearance belies their beliefs—Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, and the plot he hatched with Feight involved killing scores of Muslims, as well as officials at the governor’s mansion in Albany, New York and at the White House.

They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. These Americans thrive on hate and conspiracy theories, many fed to them by politicians and commentators who blithely blather about government concentration camps and impending martial law and plans to seize guns and other dystopian gibberish, apparently unaware there are people listening who don’t know it’s all lies. These extremists turn to violence—against minorities, non-Christians, abortion providers, government officials—in what they believe is a fight to save America. And that potential for violence is escalating every day.

“Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
White Nationalists Endorse Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists-new-hampshire/index.html

Related story.




"We don't need Muslims. We need smart, educated, white people," according to the male voice on the calls, which began Thursday night and urge voters in New Hampshire to vote for Donald Trump.

Three white nationalist leaders have banded together to form their own super PAC in support of Trump, even though Trump doesn't want their support.

The American National Super PAC is funding the robocall effort, which is organized under a separate group called the American Freedom Party.

On its website, the American Freedom Party says it "shares the customs and heritage of the European American people."
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 5, 2016 - 04:59pm PT
Good Topic

It needs a thorough analysis
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
surely this is a troll....
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Feb 5, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
It's mutual: Trump retweets mostly white nationalists.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
Angry white people don't want to talk about this.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Feb 5, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
What's wrong with being extreme?

[Click to View YouTube Video]
couchmaster

climber
Feb 5, 2016 - 06:31pm PT

Concluded: half true. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/08/sally-kohn/kohn-911-right-wing-extremists-killed-more-america/

"...not all killings by Muslim extremists are included. If that were the case then the total would be much higher than those of so-called "right-wing" extremists – even ignoring 9/11. "
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 5, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Bluering? Does Survival troll about these subjects?

Try to open your closed-mind. The extreme-right wing is a bigger threat to our society than Muslum Terrorists.

As Survival posted:

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
382 law enforcement groups Blue. Read the article....

If you dare.
two-shoes

Trad climber
Auberry, CA
Feb 5, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
Do you mean Donald Trump?

I could see him using the right wing terrorist as volunteers for his very own Brownshirts.

Jesus, that's a scary thought!
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 5, 2016 - 08:14pm PT
Why is it so hard to accept that there are threats from a variety of sources?

ISIS (or whatever Islamic fundamentalist hate group). Check.

White supremacists? Check.

Brain-dead militias? Check.

Radical right-wing crazies? Check.

Radical left-wing crazies? Check.

Mexico-based drug syndicates? Check.

Etc. Etc. Etc.? Check

The list goes on. And on. And on. But most of you can only put a check mark beside the threat source that is your personal pet hate. Wake up.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 5, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
Terrific contribution from TradHog, the other "white" meat.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
Why is it so hard to accept that there are threats from a variety of sources?

why ask? You really think you'll get a straight answer? We both know better.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 5, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
why ask? You really think you'll get a straight answer? We both know better.

Yeah, I know, it's probably a waste of my time and ST's space.

But it does get frustrating, listening to endless one-sided posts about how everybody but MY TEAM is the problem.

Come back to the PNW and we can get wasted on Sake and commiserate about the brain-dead community of people -- climbers -- that really should be a source of enlightenment, but is just as caught up in "Me and My Team" as the rest of the world.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2016 - 10:04am PT
According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.











I wonder which group is tradhog's favorite?

*Racist? (KKK, Skinhead, Neo-Nazi)

*Pro-life bombers? (Eric Rudolph or other religious end times groups)

*Anti-federalist? (Pretend soldier Patriot, McVeigh, Bundyesque)




Tim McNutjob








Kevin Harpham, attempted to bomb MLK parade.
Unsuccessful









dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2016 - 10:46am PT
It's curious why tradhog and bluering are so defensive about this.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Feb 6, 2016 - 11:30am PT
Seems ironic that the lefties trot out Tim Mcveigh and one of them said the Bundy's were the number one domestic terrorist threat but haven't virtually all mass murders in recent history been carried out by democrats or those associated with the left?

Funny how one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2016 - 12:08pm PT
^^^^ Maybe because they suspect this is the first step?
That the next step(s) may be labeling Christians, war vets,
pro-lifers, global warming deniers, etc. as potential domestic terrorists?

Yes, the illuminati and SPECTRE are coming to get you.

BOO!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
Escopeta, I didn't name them right wing extremists. I didn't write the article, nor am I a member of the 382 law enforcement groups they surveyed. Newsweek is not your typical National Enquirer publication, but a pretty respected news outlet for what, 80 years or so?

I'm just sharing something that I personally believe to be true.

But if you prefer to trust the militias, KKK, Neo-Nazi, and End Times groups over your own elected federal government, I guess that's your business.





“It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government,” said LaVoy Finicum, one of the leaders of the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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