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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 12, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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I just discovered this about two weeks ago in the vicinity of Uncertainty Principle Rock. There's a bunch of similar stuff in the immediate area and on other parts of the hill (mostly lower). I recently went to an Allied Climbers of San Diego meeting where a day dedicated to the removal of graffiti was discussed, good timing! Take a look at these abominations:
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briham89
Big Wall climber
los gatos. ca
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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stakeout time...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
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Sacrilege, indeed. Time for a little quiet Woodson justice.
Best to get on this soon- that paint looks a little 'soft', and will only become harder to remove with time. I did a little removal project on some granite at the base of Tahquitz a couple of years back- though the tag had been there for quite a few years, I had good success with this stuff:
It went from this...
to this...
Not pristinely perfect, but far better than it was.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Don' get yer panties all twisted up. The rock will be there long after the paint has peeled off.
meantime, if ya find yerself with a few extra moments, here's a couple of thoughts.
Not the end of the world. Around here we get Nazi graffitti bullshit on the rock. You want to trade? I'd much rather have hearts and luvs. For us, the rock is consistently grey - not at all like JT, so any grey paint psst, yer done looking at it. Plus - if you jump right on it they tend to stop with the bullshit sooner. I haven't' tried the other stuff I posted, but if I couldn't paint right over it or wasn't so damned lazy, I would.
Nice work Apogee.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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Maybe my bias is showing, but somehow seeing that kind of shite on Woodson is a whoooole lot less OK than one of the roadside tweeker crags in Lucerne Valley.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
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what Coach said. I guarantee you in a million years there won't be any paint, and there won't be any people to get all pissy about no paint. lol
At least they picked a nice color combo.
My girlfriend and I once (35 years ago) carved our names and a cute little heart in some wet cement in downtown Portland. We broke up shortly later and I fell hard. Every time I walk past that spot (rarely) and see the tag I feel a little nausea thinking back about her. Don't feel too bad about the graffiti itself though. But Karma demands its due. ha
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jul 12, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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i thought we were going to see racist slogans encouraging gang violence, so when i saw all of the hearts and initials in girly lettering, i totally laughed.
It's funny, t*r; I thought the same thing.
That said, I agree with apogee -- this offends me much worse than writing on random rocks, in part because of its brazenness.
Oh well, if the monuments to (presumably) young love become rather permanent, you might be able to use them for route identification, rather like the Todd Traverse and the Turlock Boulder at Stoney Point.
John
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
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I think it's extra offensive because most of the stone at Woodson sees so little traffic, even by climbers! So it's like going into a secret sanctuary, only to find that you've had INFILTRATORS. It's funny because I wasn't thinking about the "content" of the graffiti! Swastikas would be worse perhaps by a few degrees, but any paint on boulders is terrible in my view.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 12, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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This is on the side of the road in my town, has been since before I was born. Every few years someone goes back and touches it up.
A Love Story, A Mystery
By Katie Beth Ryan
Valley News Staff Writer
he first time I saw the words “Chicken Farmer I Still Love You” in large white letters on a roadside rock in Newbury, N.H., I didn't think much of it. In my haste to get back to my Claremont apartment, I probably wrote off the graffiti as some nocturnal teenage mischief and promptly forgot about it.
Over the course of a year, I passed the sign on a near-weekly basis. It was one of the landmarks on Route 103 as I made my way back to Claremont from the Boston area. The third or fourth time I saw the sign, it finally sunk in that no one intended to paint over it. The words seemed silly, and yet they clearly had some significance to a handful of people -- maybe an entire town.
http://www.vnews.com/11052011/8111060.htm
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jul 12, 2012 - 02:38pm PT
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Sounds like the same problem as the one at Summit Rock in Sanborn County Park near Castle Rock in the Santa Cruz Mountains, except that Santa Clara County Parks is trying to blame the climbers for the proliferation of graffiti there.
Some of the graffiti removal preparations shown here could be applied at Summit, only the problem is so much more extensive that it would take days and days for the clean up to be completed. Sure, there was always graffiti at Summit along with garbage and broken glass, but it just seems like the "problem" has grown larger and larger, especially since County Parks closed public access to the area.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 12, 2012 - 02:44pm PT
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Too bad....beautiful area that deserves better, but one of the risks when climbing areas are near population centers.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 12, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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Come on fattrad....an environmental liberal would gladly carve his/her initials into Rush Limbaugh's chest but they would never desecrate a boulder.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 12, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
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Hoo-boy, wait till gonamok gets here... the fur is gonna fly...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jul 12, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
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"Let's damage a rock that will remain in existence for several million years longer than our shitty teenage relationship!"
Seems it would be hard to damage a rock that's going to outlive you by a few million years.
Ron, straight to the race issue in your first post. Interesting.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jul 12, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
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Wait to they put the spray paint down and start with the chisels. This is 3 acres of graffiti...
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2012 - 11:38am PT
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Ok, Tobia, that is pretty bad too! I wonder if there's an interesting route on one of those faces...HEYOOOO
Seriously though, thanks for the removal tips. Hopefully it will all be gone soon!
One thing I thought was strange, I spoke to a ranger about a week after I discovered the graffiti and he said that he'd given some others permission to paint over the stuff in a grey-ish type of paint. He said that it would kinda cover it up. Still doesn't look super cool with the grey paint. Thoughts?
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jul 13, 2012 - 11:46am PT
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No they closed that off to climbing about 30 years ago. It is pretty much what YPCC wanted to do to the valley years ago; turn it into a zoo.
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jstan
climber
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Jul 13, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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Some really good work can be done here I think. The experience is that a garbage can draws garbage. Without a can present you get x pounds of garbage a week at a site. Put a can there and you get 10x pounds. This may not be true of graffiti in an urban environment but might first be tested for non-urban sites. Road side cuts are easy to get equipment to and are not limited by wilderness designation. Once this has been shown for an area it will put a premium on keeping the site entirely clear. We need to work out strategies and test the effectiveness/downsides of pretreatment, some of which are already on the market.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 13, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
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The paint-over method seems to make sense when the stone or wall is in an urban-ish place, or if removal hasn't worked. Though you see that method used a lot, you'd think it's probably used primarily because it's relatively fast and low-labor intensive. It looks like hell, though, to my eye.
Personally, I'd try the removal process first- Woodson is a special place, and it deserves that kind of attention.
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