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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Louis, I earn THAT kinda money! I put down that kinda cash, this is California, EVERYONE is a millionaire here.
Russ, Locker, care to comment on this one??
Peace
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Fletcher
Trad climber
somewhere approaching Ajna
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This one's fast tracked to 10,000 posts. Route there: far, wide ranging and unpredictable!
Run for your lives!
Eric
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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I wish I could have some of these IQ flaws. It would certainly help to pay some bills to be similarly "mentally deficient."
Go national with what you got. You never know.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Good for them. And? So what? He's a better person than me? He loves my dog more? He pulls down hard routes? Oh, that's right. Rush has a hard time getting "hard" what with that Viagra stashed in his flight bag and all. I mean, really, who freakin' cares? His net worth doesn't make him any less a Republican hack, does it? It doesn't make him any funnier, which is too bad because I can take only about four minutes before I'm REALLY tired of his one note show.
And Bill Gates makes more in a day than I will make in my entire life. And? In a couple of billion years, the sun will expand to engulf the earth and toast everyone. Lots of money can't stop that, or the slow march of death that stalks us all.
Jeez, I bit, but get over it LEB. This is a lame thread.
BAd
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Is the implication here, "money is God's report card"?
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WBraun
climber
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Oh he's worth nothing.
You can pick up dog sh'it and market it and it still remains dog sh'it.
Millions of dogs will buy and eat it, but still it remains worthless shi't.
A human being will not touch dog shi't .....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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It's a mischaracterization to say he gets "paid" 400 million.
What he did was cut a deal that gives him a percentage of add revenue generated. The 400 million is an estimate over 8 years.
He'll probably clear more than that.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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So Lois, you're equating someones' net worth with their worth as a human being?
And what the hell are you doing back here anyway, especially with this crap?
edit: Oh, it's a troll and I bit.
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rotten johnny
Social climber
mammoth lakes, ca
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i want to be wealthy like rush....even though i'm scraping by , i hate the rest of the working class because they are making too much money and ........especially those union workers and teachers...it is they who are making too much money and hurting the economy.... i want to grab a pitch fork and keel them.....and maybe some of those abortion doctors too....! even though i can't afford health insurance , i hate the public option because those liberals will pull the plug on me when i catch the schwine flew....must go watch nascar and swill coors light.....!
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MisterE
Trad climber
Canoga Bark! CA
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Argumentum ad crumenam is a logical fallacy of thinking a conclusion is correct because the person making the argument is rich.
Example:
If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?
I think Mary is a good role model. She's pretty rich so she must be doing something right.
This fallacy is notably prevelant in art, movie, video game, or music criticism; in the form "you can try and critize product X but it makes millions so you don't count".
The opposite is the argumentum ad lazarum.
Hey guys, I (possibly) cured part of LEB's ignorance! :) +100
Edit: src http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Argumentum:ad:crumenam.html
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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i want to be wealthy like rush..
Then come up with a gig that generates hundreds of millions a year and cut yourself in for a percentage.
That's what he did.
So did the Rolling Stones, and Tiger Woods.
It may help to be a bit more coherent though.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Good! The more money the better. I want the fat slob to be able to afford enough food and drugs to off himself.
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apogee
climber
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Lois, nice to see you back, and under your true avatar.
Let's try to minimize the number of OT politi-tard threads, though, eh? Out of respect for the majority of people who come to ST looking for climbing-related stuff?
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rotten johnny
Social climber
mammoth lakes, ca
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rush is making how much money....? so why the f##k is he such a whining miserable fat bastard...?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Limbaugh's in the top, highest tax bracket.
At least half of what he brings in winds up being paid in taxes, like about $25,000,000-a-year.
What'd YOU contribute toward the running of the country this year?
I'll bet it wasn't 25 million.
Hell, I'll bet it wasn't even 25 thousand.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Isn't November 1st the day of the undead, or something along those lines?
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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The new Gold Russ!
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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"If you all are smart and these guys are stupid, there must be something to be said for stupidity, no?"
Oh dear.
LEB, yer guilty of fallacious thinking.
Argumentum ad crumenam
Argumentum ad crumenam** is a logical fallacy of thinking a conclusion is correct because the person making the argument is rich.
Example:
If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?
I think Mary is a good role model. She's pretty rich so she must be doing something right.
This fallacy is notably prevelant in art, movie, video game, or music criticism; in the form "you can try and critize product X but it makes millions so you don't count".
Perhaps sillier of me to try to help you with your ignorance, but I strive to teach!
Epic fail?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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a simple glimpse
at those who would
listen to and take
any such drivel
seriously would show
one why our country
has much to worry
about.
p.s.
the maggot known as
limbaugh isn't worth
enough to lick the
sweat of my balls,
or yers lois.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Life doesn't suck.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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It's like moths to a light.
They're that f*#king stupid. They can't help themselves.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Bump
For having to click on at least two dozen old threads, hoping to see something new - something I haven't already read - but seeing some asinine variation of *bump*.
I always thought at least one of you had some real creativity. I really did. (and you know who you are)
A million posts, at least ten thousand threads, and the best you can do to contribute something worth reading is "bump" ?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I like to see what people decide to spend their money on. Very interesting. A form of art. Cash is as much an artistic medium as anything else.
If you wanted to see a great example of wealth on display, the Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi this morning was pretty cool.
I'd be happy living in a travel-trailer down by the river, but that's just me.
I don't know what Limbaugh spends his money on, and I don't care, as long as he earns it honestly (or doesn't get it from the Government).
And he pays a hell of a lot in taxes.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Palin and Limbaugh are stupid. If intelligence and earnings were strongly correlated, Einstein would have been one of the richest people to ever live. Also, Jenna Jameson (who lives here in Scottsdale) is a multi-millionaire. You can Google her name, if you like, to see how her "intelligence" has paid off. Heh.
Curt
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BrianH
Trad climber
santa fe
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In a system that equates chopping down an old growth forest with a net increase in the gross domestic product, measuring someone's worth solely by how much money they've earned is not only silly, but borderline insane.
in da membrane!
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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The "catch" is that millions of other stupid people like to hear a radio personality reaffirm their ignorant beliefs.
Curt
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WBraun
climber
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The "catch" is that millions of other stupid people like to hear a radio personality reaffirm their ignorant beliefs.
That's why the radio has dial and a tuner.
What are you dialed and tuned too ........?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Lois implies that making lots of money means that you are smart. I don't think that it is possible to disabuse her of this idea, so this will be my only post to this thread.
Just to be clear on my position. This world pays for all kinds of terrible things. Doesn't make the producer smart. Savvy maybe, glamourous maybe, and many other things this world is willing to pay for, such as a pretty face, sexy body, fast feet, a good throwing arm, but that doesn't mean that they are smart.
It is pretty funny that TGT photo bombed this thread.
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dirtbag
climber
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Rush: smart.
Palin: charismatic (to some), but not so smart.
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roadman
climber
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dude rush is a dip....
enough about that.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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what is the key to his success. That is the more interesting question. What is the hook or catch which draws people to him?
Ever hear of PT Barnum? He said that there's a sucker born every minute.
Rush is just making a living off the same premise. There are many under the guise of religion that fleece people in the same way. It takes a certain breed of people that can knowingly mislead someones for the sake of a living. He fills a niche feeding off "a sucker every minute" and laughing at them all the way to the bank. He doesn't believe what he says, he enjoys the results of what he says.
Just like you say, not necessarily a smart person. To me he's more like most criminals, just an opportunist.
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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God Bless Rush - I listen everyday and do not consider myself an Idiot.
Juan
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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It just shows how stupid people really are, sis...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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please delete this thread
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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The world Would be a better place without it!
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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a simple glimpse
at those who would
listen to and take
any such drivel
seriously would show
one why our country
has much to worry
about.
p.s.
the maggot known as
limbaugh isn't worth
enough to lick the
sweat of my balls,
or yers lois.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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definitely not worth starting an adoration thread about...
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10953-2004Oct6.html
Looks like Rush's earnings are pretty much on par for people in his field... ENTERTAINERS... Keep that word in mind when talking about this guy, otherwise you might start thinking that the drivel coming out of his mouth is something other than his own opinion.
Newsperson
In
Name
Only
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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LEB, just because someone makes a ton of money does not make them a good person... Absolutly pathetic on your part brining this up.. I guess the song was right.. ' first we look at the purse"
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dirtbag
climber
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Lois are you located near that whacky congressional district, where the purists drove out the moderate Repub?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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okay, he's not worthy
of sweat licks from my balls
nor smeg licks from
yer roastbeef curtain.
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dirtbag
climber
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BTW, Lois never did say that Rush's filthy rich status makes him a better person.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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I'm confused.
Who's Rush Limbaugh?
Is he any good?
Just askin.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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LEB started a thread that insinuated that even though many of us think rush is a mean spirited small minded bully that he makes a ton of money so he must be ok... shows a chareter flaw on her part INMOP
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adam d
climber
closer to waves than rock
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Ya'll really gonna play this game again?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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not worthy of the crust
from yer bearded clam.
why come you n' howie
never post at the same
time?
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Makes a lot of money? So he's an entrepreneur, right?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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were they all white, lois?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Rush and Howard Stern have way more in common then their differences would indicate.
In Addition
Having total unjustified confidence in oneself and expressing it in a charismatic way is very powerful. Misleaders throughout history in all aspects of life have shared this trait.
Peace
Karl
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I would agree that Rush is not stupid but you take it much farther than that and are obviously seduced by his success. Women the world over are plauged with this sometimes fatal flaw. They want a nice guy but the nice guys are not exciteing enough and usually don't have the big bucks and power that go with being a super successull asswhipe. So the ladies go for the slick talking good looking powerfull successful men who then treat them like sh#t and they come out of it thinking that all men are asswhipes.. it's such predictable and pathatic part of the human condition.....
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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So this Rush fellow. I gather that he is not African-American. He is not a person of color then?
Would it help if I watched the news?
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dirtbag
climber
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Never mind Lois, I thought you were still in NY.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Is Lois this Rush fellow?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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All that money and he can't buy what he wants most.
How did trying to buy into the St. Louis Rams work out for you, Lush?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Hilter and Stalin made allot of money also. How about Saddam, he was living pretty good in all his palaces.
Rush is a big fat pile of self serving sh#t, and people that believe his crap love to be spoon fed.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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LEB
I agree he does rally the troops, and your also right that some people need rallying right now. He says what people that need rallying want to hear. Most of what he says isn't true and he knows it. He's just stirring the pot (rallying) for the sake of the buck coupled with the lack of caring whats right or wrong. Anyone that believes most of what he says needs to go no further than to find someone else that believes in him to confirm to each other that what he says is true. Why take the time to research a subject when millions of other that never contest anything agree that he's right?
He's a sham and he's not alone, both sides of the isle have them. Ethics and compassion elude them all. Get to the top regardless of what it takes. Sadly, it's the American way anymore.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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limbaugh is not even
worth enough to pick
the bacos from yer
snatch.
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dirtbag
climber
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Rush is a fat drug addict felon, I am the voice of the GOP.
Fattrad/Walling '12
Endorsed by John Long
The evil one
I don't know about the drug addict part, but you are fat and you should be a felon.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Is he still on the air?
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dirtbag
climber
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I'd still like to know what he was doing coming back from the Domican Republic, a known sex tourism destination, with a bottle of viagra.
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Binks
Social climber
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I don't hate Palin and Limbaugh, I do think they and their followers are idiots who are accumulating loads of bad karma for themselves. I don't envy their money or their fame. They seem like miserable fools to me.
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dirtbag
climber
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I have to admit I'm enjoying watching the Palin family soap opera.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Hey Dr. F, quoting stereotypical hearsay just lowers yourself to their level and squelches anything useful and informational.
I will say one thing, Rush's sarcastic use of exactly the aforementioned hearsay, the telling of anecdotal stories to represent or stereotype a group, is a time honored way of pitting one social group against another. Read the translations of Hitler's speeches as he came to monumental power, they sound eerily like a lot of Rush's rants.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Dr F, these are the particular quotes I was referring to:
"Rush is rumored to like little boys, the Dominican Republic sex trade specialty"
"Conservatives would never allow anything other than missionary, just because thats the right thing to do, always be in power over women"
Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side, I just think that unsubstantial rants do more to make reasonable people reject your ideas than they do to convince someone that is on the fence. Do you think that the screaming Tea Party followers convinced anyone other than their own?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Ydpl8s writes:
"I just think that unsubstantial rants do more to make reasonable people reject your ideas than they do to convince someone that is on the fence"
Rants like comparing a radio-comedian to Adolph Hitler?
Or are you talking about different unsubstantial rants?
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Chaz, I wasn't ranting, I was just comparing 2 figures that were/are very good at polarizing social groups through the vehicle of sterotypes. If that is ranting in your book, I stand guilty as charged.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Bad governments can lead to extreme
reactions such as the RUF atrocities
in Sierra Leone.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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You guys might hate these folks but they bring in the bucks, alright.
Not sure what the point is here......
so the guy make bank for various reasons.... I still don't listen to a word he says, unless I need to really laugh at how americans are being washed clean...
right
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Limbaugh is an entertainer. All this shows is that people enjoy entertainment more than serious study. I rather doubt that this is anything new.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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I actually did hear Rush say that about sex, conservatives should only use the missionary position, and it gives power to the women if you let her on top, and that liberals allow other positions, and he ranted about how bad that is.
Wow, that's pretty warped.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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...I actually did hear Rush say that about sex, conservatives should only use the missionary position, and it gives power to the women if you let her on top, and that liberals allow other positions, and he ranted about how bad that is...
That's what he says in public--just like he said that all drug users should get the death penalty. I bet in private he wants his women to wear a strap-on.
Curt
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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You're not gettin's this, are you, Dr F, others, or maybe you're all DMT (not)? Don't answer on this thread, dig?
Ever
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dirtbag
climber
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I have to admit that Garamendi bugs me, tho I'd probably vote for him anyway. He's been a politician for 35 years: can't he do anything else?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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"Q: What do you even DO with 3000+ oxy's? And why did he never see the inside of a jail cell. Obvious answers to both questions, I'm just complainin'."--pate
His consumption was 30 per day, so only had a 3 month supply on him--seems like the numbers work out.
Hypocrite Heroin Hillbilly Rimjob has money, after all, and can buy what ever his heart and ego desire. That is what Lois is talking about in the OP, right?
edit: No jail time because of clean record, personal safety, and good lawyering on Lush's behalf.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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You're in favor of throwing non-violent drug adicts in jail?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Who said that, Chaz?
It seemed pretty clear for the above reasons why Rush didn't do time, many of us here would get reduced sentencing--no big deal.
Quit being a member of the Antagonist Party, chef Chaz.
edit: To address the OP query: All the money in the world, Lois, can't make you a better person. Even el Rushbo has to answer to a higher authority.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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What color are those pretty blinders you seem to be wearing, LEB?
Ignorance is brisk...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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LEB is back and true to form.
Hey Lois, did you ever get any ducks on your pond?
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dirtbag
climber
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o, I would like to bring up another point. A whole lot of men here are dumping on Limbaugh for using drugs to treat erectile dysfunction. I prescribe these drugs all the time and I do so for men in all walks of life. It is simply a physiologic phenomenon. After a given age, men tend to have problems with maintaining erections and it is simply a physiologic phenomenon. It is like getting gray hairs - it just happens. There is nothing wrong with seeking treatment if such is available just like there is nothing wrong taking analgesics for pain or using Novacaine for dental work. When medical technologies are available, there is absolutely nothing wrong with availing ones self of them. You all need to stop ridiculing one another for using these ED medications. It is ridiculous.
Wrong. We find it suspicious that he 1) was visiting a known sex tourism location and 2) carrying viagra. Hmmmmmm... It wasn't the viagra per se.
Technically, it was illegal for him to possess the viagra, but I don't think anyone even raised that point.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Lots of climbers visit Thailand, another well known sex tourism destination.
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dirtbag
climber
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Because holier than thou pontificating windbags had better walk the damned walk.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mister law and order would've been hiring hookers. In many places hookers are essentially slaves.
No proof of this mind you, just speculation, but rather suspicious.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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You can't choose your famly. Though sometimes we all do and we're stuck with their idisyncracies. When it gets like this all a 'bro can do is stand back while a sibling spins out the rope, that they inevitably hang themselves with.
I tried to warn her.
She has a lot to offer. She is a caring person. This thread is not an example, and she won't confide with me on the current problem. Do her, yourself, and the world a favor and let this thread die.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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you missed
my post from earlier
today lois.
limbaugh is not even
worth enough to pick
the bacos from yer
snatch.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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She's not his type, d-know...
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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so you don't deny
that you have bacos
in yer snatch,
thats nasty.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Wife: Roxy Maxine McNeely (office worker, m. 24-Sep-1977, div. 10-Jul-1980)
Wife: Michelle Sixta Wennerholm (stadium usher, m. 1983, sep. 1988, div. 1990)
Wife: Marta Maranda Fitzgerald (aerobics instructor, b. 1959, m. 27-May-1994, sep. 2004)
They look happy as clams to be near such a wealthy and "powerful" man--hahahaha
edit: and they all discovered the same thing--get rid of the trash, before it starts stinking up the whole house, and run away from the house before the trash takes it over.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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It's always good to know who among us is doing the deviate thinking.
Like a sex offender registry.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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So we're to believe guys in the radio business would rather prove some kind of point than make money?
Really?
Bullsh#t.
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dirtbag
climber
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He's a big fat idiot!
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apogee
climber
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"I think, though, when push comes to shove, entertainment aspect aside, over the long run, you can't listen to someone for a long period of time unless you have some accord with their ideology."
I think that's true, actually. Having an individual listen to a L or R leaning bias would not likely result in a shift in their core ideologic beliefs. One has their own core set of ideologic principles first, then seeks people or media that align with it.
It has always been curious to me that there are lots more right-leaning media sources (esp. on the radio) than there are left. Air America has been about the only left-leaning radio source, and it has nowhere near the same audience that the sum total of right-leaning radio personalities. Don't libs listen to radio? Why is radio such a natural, productive fit for the right?
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apogee
climber
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I haven't bothered reading the other 196 posts in this thread, so maybe someone else has mentioned it already, but...
Lois, have you noticed that you tend to get fixated on certain personalities (esp. right-leaning ones, i.e. Palin, and now Limbaugh), trying to hold them up for objective discussion while your bias is clear and obvious, and defend them mightily at all costs? What's up with that?
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slayton
Trad climber
Morongo Valley, Ca
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Rush (not "Russ" as in the OP which might be confused with others around these parts whom I don't think is stupid either) isn't stupid, obviously. An entertainer playing to his audience sure, but stupid? No. His die-hard listeners aren't necessarily stupid either. They just happened to find someone to voice what they've thought they've believed all along and now can say "Boo-Yah!" and "I told you so" and, as always, "amen".
None of that, though, is really important. What is important, and especially to you Lois in regards to someone like Rush Limbaugh who seems to hold so many peoples attention in sway, is how do YOU capitalize on the same attention you harbor here? Think about it!! Posters here cluster like flys on sh. .. . left out steak to your thoughtful questions. How do you, Lois, bridge the gap between mere SuperTopo poster stardom and the millions $$$$$$ awaiting you? It's all about advertising. You already have the audience. Mostly.
Good luck. And get a good agent.
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apogee
climber
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"...its the corporate owned media, that has kept liberal radio off the air..."
F, that's a little too conspiratorial for my taste- I just haven't seen much direct evidence of such a thing. The reasons are more diverse than that, methinks.
AM radio is so simplistic and available- anyone with a little transistor radio can pick it up- that it reaches into the backwoods nooks and crannies of our country far better than FM or broadband internet. It's kinda like beer- you can get cheap, sh*tty beer at any backwater convenience mart, but you can usually only find good beer in places with some level of progressive thinking, and especially in larger cities.
The very nature of conservatives is to shun and be wary of new things- AM radio fits this perfectly- it feels old, unchanging, and familiar, since it is the same scratchy sound that one remembers their father and their grandfather listening to. Libs, on the other hand, are much more open to new technology- especially today, with technology producing bazillions of media choices and venues, the interests of libs are more prone to being distracted and short-term.
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dirtbag
climber
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I'm not a big fan of liberal or conservative radio. I just like objective news.
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Dave Johnson
Mountain climber
Sacramento, CA
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They bring in the bucks because brainless idiots listen to them.
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dirtbag
climber
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And btw, I finally get what people have been saying about NPR.
Most places where I listen to it is straightforward music mixed with the NPR national programs such as Talk of the Nation and Fresh AIr, which I do not consider overtly biased (Bill O reill's rants aside). Hell, I even listen to one station where it had a conservative bent. So I never got what all the fuss about left wing bias was about until I listened to some entirely different NPR stations, and the local program and some of the national programs and yeah, I get what they are saying.
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apogee
climber
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NPR seems to fluctuate in it's leaning- it would be a great stretch to say NPR has a conservative leaning, but most of the time I find it just barely left of center- sometimes maddeningly so. There tends to be a regular pattern of stories of how a given social problem has affected an individual, and they will commonly have interviews with an individual who is sobbing- not to be incompassionate, but these stories get on my nerves sometimes.
On the other hand, there are many issues that certainly deserve much more scrutiny and reporting than NPR provides, from the wars, to politics & scandals, to media biases- and NPR is commonly milquetoast on these issues, and doesn't give them enough attention, in my book.
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apogee
climber
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I don't listen to any AM radio talkshows- I found Air America to be annoying- almost as much as Rush or something similar.
I do listen to a lot of FM radio, though, esp. NPR, via webstreaming- I also podcast several news/talk shows on a regular basis: Left, Right & Center, Countdown, Bill Moyers, Bill Maher. Like dirtbag, I prefer programs that make an effort to bring multiple sides to a story (with the obvious exception of Maher- he just provides me with an outlet for my occasional need to rant), and do so in an intelligent, articulate manner.
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apogee
climber
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fattrad, you are the Pro-Choice, Pro-Israel, Pro-Bomb-Iran, Pro-Corporation, Pro-Status-Quo-Healthcare candidate. Still not convinced just how 'moderate' you really are. Keep working at it.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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NOT A SURPRISE: 75% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
September 14, 2009
Among all the players in the health care debate, doctors may be the least understood about where they stand on some of the key issues around changing the health care system. Now, a new survey finds some surprising results: A large majority of doctors say there should be a public option.
When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors. They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
Most doctors — 63 percent — say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition, another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only; they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two groups add up to 73 percent.
When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients, doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.
National Public Radio
75% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
75% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
75% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
75% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT THE PUBLIC OPTION
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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So why can't the Democrats get it done, Norton?
Maybe that "75%" number isn't accurate.
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apogee
climber
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Chaz, that number is accurate, and the source has been reposted at least 6 times in the last week or two. Have you bothered to read it?
Why can't the Dems get it done? Because most of them are in the pockets of the health insurance industry, right along with the Repugs. That kind of money has completely muted the will of the voting populace, which is overwhelmingly in favor of a single payer option for healthcare coverage.
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dirtbag
climber
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apogee nails it again.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Chaz, major change in a democracy is ugly and takes a lot of time.
The House bill will be voted on by the full house very soon, and that
bill DOES include a Public Option.
Unfortunately, the PO is WEAK, and will allow ONLY 2% of to "qualify".
As such, it will NOT provide any competition to the private insurers,
nor will it do anything to reduce YOUR monthly healthcare premium.
However, it WILL do two things: if passed, the CBO says it will actually
REDUCE the Federal deficit, a good thing, IF you, Chaz, are a "fiscal conservative".
And number two, it IS a START. And this legislation can be added on to
in the years ahead, hopefully to strengthen the Public Option, so YOU, Chaz,
maybe one day IF you need it, will get a "better deal".
And that is what Chaz wants, more CHOICES and more FREEDOM to CHOOSE.
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Bad Climber
climber
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I'm liberal on some things. Hank and Frank wanna get hitched? Their business. Fiscally? Pretty conservative.
Here's a radio show I really like--funny, pretty conservative, but not so whacked as Rush. And it's not all politics all the time.
Armstrong and Ghetty
Carry on!
BAd
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Norton,
Please don't call me a "fiscal conservative".
I never call you any names!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Chaz, you are funny!
Obviously, I meant it as a compliment!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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We were doing so good keeping all the politics in the one thread. Along comes LEB with a thread titled "Rush Limbaugh". WTF?
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apogee
climber
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WTF is right. Lois is the master-troller- everyone bites her sh*t.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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What's up with LEB posting?
Months ago she made a flat out PROMISE not to ever posting unless someone
specifically invited her to.
This promise clearly has been broken.
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dirtbag
climber
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Months ago she made a flat out PROMISE not to ever posting unless someone
specifically invited her to.
This promise clearly has been broken.
Sounds like a vampire not entering a building unless invited.
(Just kidding Lois, I like having you around.)
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Redwreck
Social climber
Echo Parque, Los Angeles, CA
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My main "WTF" is for the people who insist on engaging her. I mean, seriously, WTF?
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gonzo chemist
climber
the Twilight Zone of someone else's intentions
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Why is radio such a natural, productive fit for the right?
Has anyone here read David Foster Wallace's essay, "Host"? He has a well crafted answer to this very question, if I remember correctly. If I can find the essay, I'll try to post it up.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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a few of Rush's undeniable truths of life-
1. There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism
and self-reliance - which made America great.
2. The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their
wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers,
and job creators.
3. No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity.
4. Evidence refutes liberalism.
5. There is no such thing as a New Democrat.
6. The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.
7. Character matters; leadership
descends from character.
8. The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you
cut it down.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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hey Cornis:
regarding your #8: your casket!
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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hmmm... you living in a house made of wood friend?
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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I'll agree with poor.
Please elaborate on loser.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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The Achilles heel of conservative philosophy, particularly the libertarian aspect of that philosophy, is its reliance on a grossly utilitarian calculus.
The natural efficiency of a free market is the grail of conservative talk radio, but the problem is that, though that natural efficiency can, perhaps, create a thriving economic engine, it can’t create a civilization.
Historically, the finest things any civilization creates, the things that make a civilization in the first place, the things worth living and dying for, these things have not necessarily been a function of utility, or free market efficiency.
Instead they have been things of complete uselessness. The plays of Shakespeare, the music of Mozart, the paintings of Michelangelo, the philosophy of Socrates, what a society produces that is superfluous to utility or the needs of the market place often determines our understanding of its quality.
When a society constructs itself in such a way as to eliminate the opportunity of the useless, when the free market with its base constitution of greed becomes the only arbiter of what may or may not exist in a society, then that society is not likely a civilization.
The free market demands efficiency; civilization requires generosity and largess.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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They stab her with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast
True, that
Also..
You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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A few of Lush's undeniable truths:
!. Family is important, that is why I divorced 3 times
2. All drug users are losers--except el Rushbo who only ABUSES prescription medication obtained illegally.
3. The US Military should always be supported--except by me, who used the family doctor to get me out of Vietnam service.
4. Taxing the rich is not good for this country, OR my pocketbook.
5. There are NO good Liberals, except for those that buy my hawked products and boost my ratings.
6. The right to life is precious, as long as I don't have to have any of the little bastards around me.
7. I am always right 99.3% of the time, except when I speak.
8. The NFL is my passion--they love me sooo much that they fired me for my off-color remarks on ESPN and shunned me from ever buying into a franchise.
Shall I go on?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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that sack of
sh!t isn't even
worthy of giving
you the hot carl
you so deserve!!
yes, a debauched
and crass pig i is.
what's yer excuse
lois?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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what do you think
the demographics
of lush limbaughs
show would say?
lots of black and
brown fans?
hmmmmm?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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i always pick my
nose in public.
ain't no shame
in havin' boogers.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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LEB/DMT, the reason the conservative shows have a bigger audience is because the left wingers have educations and jobs and are at work during the day. The trailer park dwelling welfare collectors in the red states just don't have anything better to do than listen to El Rushbo.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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There are two possible variations on success:
1. You are religious. Success is getting to heaven.
2. You have a total belief in evolution. You have spread your genetics to more offspring than others of your species (by living long enough though good genetics to do so).
There is no other success. Anything else is just a measure of success of one of those two things. money begets survival and sex. Following strict religious guidelines for your actions begets getting to heaven. There is more flexility there since sex and offstring do not usually hurt ones chances in many religions.
So has Rush attained success? How many kids does he have? Does God like him? I don't think I can answer either right now but he certainly has the opportunity for non-religious success based on his being still alive (still alive) and on his ability to attract a mate with lots of money.
I am a dismal failure since I have one kid and am an atheist.
Dave
[edit] Sorry to post about a thread variation from so many posts ago.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Talent.
Its that 'something' others perceive you have
for a particular activity.
Most of us have it for some
random thing.
Rush's is talking on the radio.
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AstroArlo
Trad climber
Jackson, WY
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"Rush is a very polarizing character."
To be polarized, you need a plus and a minus. Rush is polarizing - but so are Keith Oberman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks, etc. - and Glenn Beck, etc. And scanning the posts it appears that LEB can be polarizing, too.
The problem is that both sides of the media (and internet blogs like this topic) have "Jerry Springerized" debate in this country. It seems like they often set up a situation where you know there are going to be strong emotions which will come to "blows," and guaranteed to NOT be a respectful exchange of ideas. Perhaps it is successful rating-wise because Americans like a good fight, maybe more than we like an honest debate - and why shows like Rush Limbaugh, Keith Oberman, etc. are "successful."
It seems it is becoming impossible to have a civil, logical debate backed by facts - this is perhaps the greatest threat to our democracy, a threat that goes way beyond terrorism or global warming.
Just because somebody has a different point of view, different perspective, or different idea than yours doesn't make them an idiot. Why can't we listen to each other, and disagree without calling each other names?
Neither side has a monopoly on great or horrible ideas. We can only achieve the full potential of our democracy by taking the best ideas that both sides have to offer. Locking one side up in a closed room is not the way to come up with a solution which benefits the majority of people!
Remember, many people would consider people who Big Wall climb to be "idiots." I personally know many Big Wall climbers and the majority are thoughtful, knowledgeable, and great people - who acknowledge and manage the inherit risks that the sport entails.
O.K. - So here's a 5.11d challenge: Listen to Rush Limbaugh's program for 1 hour. Some of the things he says are out there, and some make sense. Count how many times he uses a personally insulting term (e.g. idiot) for people he disagrees with. Listen to Keith Oberman for an hour. Some of the things he says are out there, and some make sense. Count how many times he uses a personally insulting term (e.g. idiot) for people he disagrees with. (OK - this is 5.12b for those who called Rush an idiot!)
To be respected, you must give respect. To be listened to, you must first listen to others.
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Funk 29
Trad climber
Wallowa, OR
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I love capitalistic climbers.
from Yvon Chounard (sp?) to Rush Limbaugh.
Life is short work hard at something you love.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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I haven't looked at the ol' SuperTaco much for a few weeks, apart from bumping my own thread (which is climbing-related)....
and here I find LEB posting again! Which helps to remind me, that the parts of the universe I want to be in, cyber- or otherwise, are the parts without this sort of claptrap, no matter whether it is the Troll or the Mule who is talking.
One of the good things about climbing, very few conversations like this amongst those of us lashed to the sides of sheer cliffs.
Carry on....
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Listen to him nearly daily, an open mind is what makes him irrelevant...
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Well he does point out funny stuff:
how incredulous to the man on the street that
the leader of the committee responsible for the tax code
and the person heading the department of Treasury
are both known tax cheats. (Democrats? Yes, that to).
Hilarious.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Pate is unhappy. Lets raise his taxes
to put a big smile on his face!
:i
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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"Limbaugh is certainly interesting "phenomenon"...
Quite the contrary, he is a silver-spooned child that could not get what he wanted as a child, and "rebels" against the very society that allowed him his "success".
Does anybody that listens to him actually think that he would spend a chosen minute of his personal face-to-face time with them talking about what THEY are interested in?
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apogee
climber
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Hey! I resemble that remark!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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As Riley raised the subject, and it's a lovely quote:
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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I was never "bookish", but I WAS fourteen and had to read "The Hobbit"--wherein I finished TLOTR trilogy next, mostly out of curiousity; then went to the outdoors and rode my bike to see the fascination that lay before my immediate eyes...
edit: Never really been into fiction, as I thought my own imagination was more than enough--and loathed the Literature classes for MAKING me read something that hundreds of others had to.
(Still got "A's" in them, though:-)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I posted this on the Republicans Wrong thread yesterday:
Nov 4, 2009 - 11:59am PT
Hello Lois!
Months ago you made a statement that you were not a climber and you made
a decision to not post on SuperTopo unless someone on a thread specifically
invited you to do so.
The other day you started the rush limbaugh thread, and now you have
migrated over to this political thread.
So it clearly seems you are back in full action here on SuperTopo.
What was the reason you decided to break you promise and start posting
here again without any prior "invitation" as was your condition?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 4, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
And here is LEB's exact statement, seems very clear to me:
LEB
Dec 8, 2007 - 06:51pm PT
Now, Karl, My Love, you are getting your cute little head all upset. I told you I would lay back. I will not enter any thread without an invitation (except, of course to defend Jody), or unless I start it. That should solve 99% of the problems, no? Anyway, Karl, I really DO understand your frustration. I tease you but I do understand your feelings. And, moreover, I don't want to victimize you people; truly I don't. But, let's not hang Singer on me. That man wanted out - let us be fair about things.
Now, here is some good news for you. I hang out most on this forum during the school term when I am writing exams, preparing lectures, grading papers, etc. The forum is a nice diversion. I think you can understand that, right? The semester is coming to an end just finished writing two finals and they are going to be given on the 13th and 17th respectively. Then the semester is OVER (Yeah!!!!) and I have LOTS of things which I much prefer to do. When I am doing things I really want to do (which are not boring), I don't NEED a diversion.
Now sit down, Karl, so you don't crack your pretty little Karl head open. I officially grant your point......get it Karl. I am formally conceding the point to you. You have been agregiously wronged and I will not do it ever again. Mia culpa, mia culpa. I would go out back and kill myself but I just have too much work today. I have to get this house ready to be sold and dead bodies would probably detract from the sales price, anyway.
Ahem - For the record, I am formally granting your point and I promise that I will NOT Loisify yours or anyone else's threads ever again. OK? Now can you sleep better at night knowing that? Can we now kiss and makeup so that if I do find another forum to torment, I will not be ridden with guilt that I have ruined your online life forever. Think of it this way Karl. Think of your time me as a stint in purgatory. You have that much less to atone for when you die. Meanwhile, you have FINALLY made and WON your point.
Ahem - For the record, I am formally granting your point and I promise that I will NOT Loisify yours or anyone else's threads ever again. OK? Now can you sleep better at night knowing that? Can we now kiss and makeup so that if I do find another forum to torment, I will not be ridden with guilt that I have ruined your online life forever. Think of it this way Karl. Think of your time me as a stint in purgatory. You have that much less to atone for when you die. Meanwhile, you have FINALLY made and WON your point.
Ahem - For the record, I am formally granting your point and I promise that I will NOT Loisify yours or anyone else's threads ever again. OK? Now can you sleep better at night knowing that? Can we now kiss and makeup so that if I do find another forum to torment, I will not be ridden with guilt that I have ruined your online life forever. Think of it this way Karl. Think of your time me as a stint in purgatory. You have that much less to atone for when you die. Meanwhile, you have FINALLY made and WON your point.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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And here is LEB's reply yesterday:
Nov 4, 2009 - 12:37pm PT
Well Norton the simple answer is I am a female and like all women, I reserve the right to change my mind for no apparent reason. The short and sweet answer is that "I changed my mind."
Apogee is quite correct in that we should not be always talking about me - as we ever do!!!! We should be focusing on the issues.
The metaphysical answer is that somewhere one of you here "sinned" big time and "God" (aka "the universe") is punishing you for your egregious acts (whatever they were) by bringing me back. Maybe it was YOU, Norton, who did the "sinning." What have you been up to lately which caused the powers that be to send me back to torment you? I hope you have not "strayed" or fell off the wagon or anything like that. Someone must have f*#ked up.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 4, 2009 - 01:01pm PT
You've been taken, Norton. Never believe a woman again. I lied. It is sort of like when men say " I won't .......... mouth" You know it is all bullsh#t. Of course, they will. We know that going into the deal. The long and short of it is that you believed me and you got taken to the cleaners. That'll "learn" you.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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or not. life is short, you used to post content over gossip.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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LEB
Dec 8, 2007 - 06:51pm PT
Now, Karl, My Love, you are getting your cute little head all upset. I told you I would lay back. I will not enter any thread without an invitation (except, of course to defend Jody), or unless I start it. That should solve 99% of the problems, no? Anyway, Karl, I really DO understand your frustration. I tease you but I do understand your feelings. And, moreover, I don't want to victimize you people; truly I don't. But, let's not hang Singer on me. That man wanted out - let us be fair about things.
Now, here is some good news for you. I hang out most on this forum during the school term when I am writing exams, preparing lectures, grading papers, etc. The forum is a nice diversion. I think you can understand that, right? The semester is coming to an end just finished writing two finals and they are going to be given on the 13th and 17th respectively. Then the semester is OVER (Yeah!!!!) and I have LOTS of things which I much prefer to do. When I am doing things I really want to do (which are not boring), I don't NEED a diversion.
Now sit down, Karl, so you don't crack your pretty little Karl head open. I officially grant your point......get it Karl. I am formally conceding the point to you. You have been agregiously wronged and I will not do it ever again. Mia culpa, mia culpa. I would go out back and kill myself but I just have too much work today. I have to get this house ready to be sold and dead bodies would probably detract from the sales price, anyway.
Ahem - For the record, I am formally granting your point and I promise that I will NOT Loisify yours or anyone else's threads ever again. OK? Now can you sleep better at night knowing that? Can we now kiss and makeup so that if I do find another forum to torment, I will not be ridden with guilt that I have ruined your online life forever. Think of it this way Karl. Think of your time me as a stint in purgatory. You have that much less to atone for when you die. Meanwhile, you have FINALLY made and WON your point.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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No way i'm posting a photo of the 'Hottest female Athelete' if this thing doesn't get deleted... well maybe if it doesn't do 300 jacks....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Now you'll never know. Unless you actually climb, then you already know...
And the Taco is further People magazine-ified.
Thanks a f*#k of a lot lot sis, I have half a mind to stop defending your lamenes.....
I know I encouraged your comeback, but if this is what you're going to do, please stay away, at least as a favor to me.
Not kidding.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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LEB:
Nov 4, 2009 - 01:01pm PT
You've been taken, Norton. Never believe a woman again.
I lied. It is sort of like when men say " I won't .......... mouth" You know it is all bullsh#t. Of course, they will. We know that going into the deal.
The long and short of it is that you believed me and you got taken to the cleaners. That'll "learn" you.
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