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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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Let see. I figure you guys have a couple gazillion hours already in the project. Very much appreciated and I understand this is primarily a public service on your parts. I agree that the hammer should be realistically priced. Don't sell it, or your efforts, too cheap. If prepaying is the way to go, OK by me.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:06pm PT
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I too would be willing to pre pay if that is what is needed to help move the project forward.
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FeelioBabar
Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
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Ready to pre-pay....
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adam d
climber
closer to waves than rock
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:10pm PT
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certainly don't sell it for less than other hammers out there on the market...
the Petzl hammer is ~$80, the BD Yos hammer is $100, Omega hammer is $95
some profit for the effort/manufacturing + donation to Alex's foundation is more than fair.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
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"certainly don't sell it for less than other hammers out there on the market..."
How about this kids: You spend your own money, I'll spend mine. You want to write an exra-fat check to charity, be my guest. But my charitable contributions for the year are maxed out. This thing goes over $75 to my door, take me off the list. I might be the only as#@&%e willing to say it, but I'm surely not the only one thinking it.
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climbrunride
Sport climber
Durango, CO
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:34pm PT
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I'm with Elcapinyoazz. Put it out there to us for what your think is equitable, and those who want to donate more to the foundation can feel free to do so. In fact, why are they waiting for the hammer to come out to donate? If they are serious about donating money, they will go ahead and do it now. I certainly don't wait until there is something in it for me to make my charitable donations.
And as far a prepaying, I'm in too. I figure we are all in this together, at some level. I'm happy to help fund it in advance.
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dangry
Trad climber
the bay-sierra complex
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:46pm PT
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Ready to prepay for my sweet hammer. What about a Paypal account? Easy online and quick?
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:52pm PT
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Count me in on a pre pay. I can sit and wait a while for a good hammer.
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climbrunride
Sport climber
Durango, CO
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Oct 26, 2009 - 02:55pm PT
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Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not talking about putting the D5 hammer in stores at a retail of $75, right? I was thinking that was the price to TacoStanders who wanted in on this opportunity.
If that is correct, I think those who are commenting that it should cost as much as, or more than, other hammers sold at retail are lacking some understanding of business structure. That being, that we would have the opportunity to acquire one of these hammers for slightly more than manufacturing cost. What you buy in a retail store has gone from manufacturing cost, to distribution cost (AKA wholesale), to retail cost, with a margin (cost mark-up) at each level.
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YetAnotherDave
Trad climber
Vancouver, BC
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Oct 26, 2009 - 05:05pm PT
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So $75 is our projected wholesale cost, but us lucky folks on the taco stand get to buy at that price if we prepay? Count me in!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Oct 26, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
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Even at $75, it's still probably going to be a good deal. The "raw" cost as calculated is close to $60 and I'd say there's a pretty good chance there will be extra costs incurred (probably on a per hammer basis) at some point before these things go out the door. I'd have no problem with them pricing the thing at $75 at the get-go to make sure that they (guys putting all this effort into turning out the hammers) don't get shafted just so we can get them cheaper.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Oct 26, 2009 - 05:30pm PT
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I will pre-pay any amount Theron chooses.
Having a hammer built by a pro with all of the thought and consideration put into it's utility is a true gift.
Thanks again for all of the hard work!
Oh and I just picked up a couple of those fancy Tomahawks....sweeeet!
Mucci
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xtrmecat
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Oct 26, 2009 - 06:08pm PT
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A full bill will surely tax my finances hard, but well worth it in my opinion.(Unemployed for over a year now and full time student) Where and how much do I prepay are the only issues left. I am still in and willing.
Bob
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T Moses
Big Wall climber
Paso Robles
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Oct 30, 2009 - 02:24am PT
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Some of my thoughts on the subject at hand:
1) I think this should be available to STer's, not retail in stores. The pricing is not set up for that. I don't want to compete with the other companies making wall hammers. I see this as more of a short term revival of the A5 Hammer to benefit a good cause as requested by the previous owners of the design.
2) This is going to be a longer term project. We're talking 4-6 months. Forging alone gave me a lead time of 4-6 weeks if I remember right. The quotes I got were only good for 30 days. I don't forsee any major changes but it will take a little time and effort to get the whole ball rolling in the right direction.
3) I think a deposit might be a good way to go. I don't mind working on it without money up front. I'm used to getting paid at the end of a job. It keeps the motivation up. Net 30 is the industry standard (unless you piss your vendor off with consistantly late checks). The major funding that is needed is for the forging of the heads. It is one lump sum and is what I need to get the process started.
4) I don't have the money to front for this project right now. My money is tied up in cam hooks, rivet hanger, tomahawks, etc.. for next spring season. I do have the time to do this over the winter. Now would be great to start this.
It's late and I'll add more later.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 30, 2009 - 11:37am PT
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A deposit sounds like a good idea. You could also let those who want to pay full price up front do so also. That could make keeping track of everybody's payments more difficult. I dunno.
Maybe better to have everybody put a deposit down. Seems reasonable to me.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 31, 2009 - 12:12am PT
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ok...
somethings have to get settled... like the price
once that's set, we can see how to raise the cash to get things going, probably a deposit on a hammer that can cover the parts as we go along. This would require some sort of schedule, I'd guess...
Perhaps some set of people could help by paying more and then getting paid back later...
We need some original thinking on this people! out of the box business stuff!!
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squishy
Mountain climber
sacramento
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Oct 31, 2009 - 12:31am PT
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Have a bonus for those who prepay...
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Cuckawalla
Trad climber
Grand Junction, CO
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Nov 12, 2009 - 10:05am PT
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What is the status I would like to pitch in for this bad ass hammer!
-Jesse
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billygoat
climber
cruzville
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Nov 12, 2009 - 11:09am PT
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I'd also say couchmaster has the best plan. And I'm fine to prepay. Be awesome if we could set this up via paypal.
Edit: Opps, I only read half the thread before I posted. Somehow missed this when it first went up. Anyways...
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RDB
Social climber
way out there
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Nov 14, 2009 - 11:34pm PT
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My vote would be pre pay via Pay Pal. And a price at the least within a few bucks (higher) than BD's retail for pricing.
Ton of effort has gone into this project.
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