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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 4, 2009 - 05:22pm PT
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Skipt........hands down!!
I'm LMAO !!!
Cracko
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 05:43pm PT
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I'm sorry, but when a "Favorite Sexual Positions" thread gets over 100 posts, including the Locker "Dangers of Masturbation" photo, I am highly entertained. Is this really anything different than what you would hear around the campfire with a bunch of guys ??? If it is deemed offensive because of the possibility of "kids" accessing this forum, let me assure you as a middle school principal, this is the least of our worries. I choose not to contribute to these posts cuz I have more class than Locker (messing with you Locker!). Doesn't mean I can't enjoy the hell out of it!! Carry on boys and girls.......I love ST Forum !!!
Cracko
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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It isn't just a bunch of guys though. At least that's not how I choose to identify.
I have no problem w/ talk of sex.
But if you have to denigrate your partner to get off, or if you can't talk about sex without making comments that would be offensive to a majority of women, then maybe you should self-censor or go find a site where men who only like men can talk about sex with (or is it to? at?) women.
Even happy egailitarian sex could probably get a bit less screen time here so that a newcomer to the board might actually think they'd found a climbing forum for a minute or two and maybe would stick around long enough to buy one of Chris' books. It doesn't hurt to remember that we're all guests here.
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 06:00pm PT
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Melissa,
I really do get the "self censor" thing, and do understand where this may be objectionable to you and others. But, it is an open public forum and, as such, your call for moderation and sensitivity in posting threads is as valid as those who choose to post these threads in the first place. Calling for banishing certain posts or posters bothers me. Let the open dialogue on these threads serve to regulate them. I find Skipt and others to be extremely self-righteous, but I respect their right to voice their opinion and join in the dialogue. As always, if you really find it objectionable then don't read it and get on another forum .
Respectfully,
Cracko
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Bomber pilots used to say;
If we're taking flak we must be close to the target.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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I haven't asked for the banishment of anyone. I would respect Chris' choice to do so if he thought that certain posters were hurting his business or dammaging his brand just as it would be his right to kick their ass out on the street if they were harassing or offending other customers in a brick and mortar store.
If Chris ran a bar, would you think that his business model should be to just let the drunk obnoxious guy at the end of the bar grope women and punch men as they pass by and generally create a ruckus that no one in the bar could ignore? And if any of those other people have a problem with it, well, they chose to be there and they can just choose to go spend their money at someone else's bar.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I thought it was Nature's Coffee, Locker man!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Caylor-
It seems to me your argument is the same as that of the people who voted for Ralph Nader saying there wasn't any difference between Bush and Gore. And look where that got us.
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 07:09pm PT
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Caylor,
Thanks for that, and I agree. Jan.....where the hell did that come from ???
Cracko
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
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Melissa,
Clearly you jest ??
" let the drunk obnoxious guy at the end of the bar grope women and punch men as they pass by and generally create a ruckus that no one in the bar could ignore?"
You are comparing this scenario to the words that appear in a public forum post ??? Sorry, you've lost me.
Cracko
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Cracko,
Certainly you have heard the saying "The pen is mightier then the sword".
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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The difference here is that the guy at the end of the bar can only talk about groping women and punching men.
But if he posts a photo of a woman being groped then he is 86ed.
But after all, isn't groping women and punching men better than the reverse?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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This is a topic that appears all over the internet;
if it possible to do things, is it right to do them?
If it is legal to do things, is it right to do them?
Generally, if one answers these kinds of questions, without resort to how it affects others, it is a test of maturity.
In the internet realm, the ability to post without linkage to identity, allows one to deliberately cause offense or hurt, without personal consequence. We all have encountered people who do such things.....often immature adolescents who have no conscience, or those who gain in stature by putting others down.
However, I can think of NO positive attribute that can be linked to such people, in the context of their posting habits.
What does it say about someone, that they take pleasure from making others feel bad, or putting others down?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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But after all, isn't groping women and punching men better than the reverse?
I imagine that stepping in dog sh#t is better then eating it, but that doesn't mean that I would enjoy it.
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2009 - 07:27pm PT
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Skip,
I withdraw my vote for you as the most self-righteous among the ST Faithful. It's Werner hands down !!!! This is the power of a public forum. You can throw out an opinion, reflect on it a bit as the responses pour in, and then reverse field if you're brave enough to acknowledge your own human frailty. You won me over Skip !!! By the way, I too have launched some rather "highbrow" opinions on this forum over the years, and have been severely "bitch-slapped" by more than a few. Errrr, maybe "bitch-slapped" wasn't a good choice ? Anyway, I'm a better man for it! Hail to the power of open discourse in a public forum !!!!!
Cracko
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jstan
climber
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Righteous:
1. acting in accordance with divine or moral law;free from guilt or sin
2. morally right or justifiable
arising from an outraged sense of justice or morality
None of my own comments on these topics were righteous rants. The fact I have not come under criticism in this thread suggests my statement is accepted.
My objections were all of a practical nature. Interactions between people as promoted by the thread to which I objected are not an efficient way to run a society. In practical terms what has been promoted is destructive of the whole. I have further presented a hypothesis backed up by data as to why this behavior may have been promoted.
Ultimately the decision to be made by each of us and by the body as a whole is two fold:
1. Does what has been promoted, if followed, advantage or disadvantage the community.
2. Do we personally wish to be a part of a community that accepts the attitudes being promoted.
Denigration of individuals or of groups of people often arise because the source of these actions have something material to gain personally from those activities or something psychologically to gain. To wit if I can get my neighbor burned at the stake I may move into his house; or if I can lower someone else in the eyes of the community then their opinion of me may rise higher than it otherwise would. This last category is quite often intentionally trotted out as a personal search for amusement or entertainment. Ridicule.
The decisions before us are practical in nature.
Edit:
If I go back far enough I think this is the approach Caylor is following:
"The quicker you hit rock bottom, the quicker you can swim back up to fresh air. IMO."
As I look around us today, I am not sure this approach works any longer.
Verifiably, it is not working here.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"In all honesty Karl was ahead of you. He threatened to shoot my puppy if I didn't start to jack down a little. And since I know his stance on guns I knew he meant it. "
That's it Skip daddy. You outed me and I'm gonna bust a cap in your wiener dog!
it will take extensive consultation with Piton Ron about the right gun for the job, then there is the question of the ammo and night vision googles so you don't catch me.
I think the main point to remember is that the online community is just that and it would be ideal to practice human relations as if the community were present in the flesh (did i say "flesh"?"
Sometimes apologies are in order and i've been around many a campfire when somebody went way too far, hilariously, but offensively.
My suggestion...When somebody objects, due to their own personal viewpoint of the sensitivity of the issue, just take a minute to consider their different experience before you react by feeling judged and taking things even a step further.
It's all great that some of us can take anything, cause we haven't been hurt hard, but for some, dissing fat chicks is just as hurtful as making jokes about how high Bachar might have bounced after his fall.
See what I mean?
Peace
Karl
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sully
Trad climber
CA
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Melissa, right on sister.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Well, I figure anyone who objects to a thread titled "Favorite Sexual Positions" probably shouldn't open the thread and read it. So to open it and post an objection, seems silly to me. To keep opening and posting multiple objections and objections to the objections on the same thread may be bordering on the insane.
PS, Hank you voted for Nader and (you know what) it's all your fault.
pss: Tami's apology and the apology for apologist is some funny stuff right there. Where the hell is Sheridan Anderson when you need him anyway? (Insert sad face)
Take care all!
pssss - for Karl, found Skipts dog right here, turns out it's a famous pup.
Interestingly, that was selected as the 7th best magazine cover of the last 40 years by the Magazine Publishers of America. Guess what #1 was, drum roll for more self-righteous Skipt objections and a John Long Huzzah!
Skip, #1, feel free to object now son.
Number one magazine cover of the last 40 years. Taaa daaaaaa!!
"This Rolling Stones cover of John Lennon and Yoko Ono was named the top magazine cover to appear since 1965. The image was photographed by renowned celebrity portraitist Annie Leibovitz mere hours before Lennon was shot on December 8, 1980. The photo was eventually used on the cover of Rolling Stones tribute issue to Lennon on January 22, 1981. "
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