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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 06:34pm PT
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My Family Practice Specialist has known for a long time I talk to God. He and Dan did their pre Dr. stuff at the same college. Really, tho, most people know I talk to God. It's not something I hide. I have a close friend that is dying now. She used to make fun of me re: this. Now she asks me to talk to God with her.
Ghost gave me a good laugh when he just wrote, "we are quite willing to accept that you talk to god/jesus. What we have trouble with is picturing anyone on the other end of the conversation." lol
I met a person several months ago that was going through much personal hell. I began to talk to jesus about them. I did not know what to pray for exactly because I had just met this person. So I asked jesus, what should I pray for..... I made a list of 5 things that came to my mind after quiet meditation. A week or so later when I spoke to this person I asked if anything on the list was valid. They replied, "down to the core.". Hey, talk to jesus and listen. You'd be surprised. But you need to talk honestly and take quiet time to listen. No rushing. Peace All, lynnie
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 06:36pm PT
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donini, I don't think you read my further up posts on atrocities, hate, racism, bigotry etc. These are not only perpetrated by phonies who name themselves after jesus but others. Maybe the letter p as in people needs a lower case also. :D
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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 12, 2009 - 06:44pm PT
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Sorry Lynne, I think you're a great person but I firmly believe that narrow minded, dangerous thinking is much more prevalent, but not limited to, believers.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
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Well, donini, I semi agree. But the definition of believers must include other religions also. False christians aren't the only guilty parties in this charade. People....period....have a problem with others. Wounding words, petty or not so petty jealousies, envy.....Individuals need to take care of the business of loving one another on a day by day basis. Cut the crap. Some climbing friend or relative "hurt" yo years ago. Call them and make peace.
Edit: and by the way, donini, ask around, I am not a great person. I am just lynne.
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GOclimb
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Boston, MA
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:08pm PT
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donini, I don't think you read my further up posts on atrocities, hate, racism, bigotry etc. These are not only perpetrated by phonies who name themselves after jesus but others.
Lynne, I don't think you read my post upthread to Jennie about Christians who deny that other Christians are Christians.
GO
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
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Dr F and his diciples spend all day here trying to defeat something they know nothing about.
They've lost their intelligence.
Hahahaha
OOOH man the dragon will now blast .....
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
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A BIG Thanks You, to everyone who posted up and for stating your views and taking a stand one way or the other and keeping it mostly civil! Time will tell...
Cheers!
P. S. I'm not done, but wanted to say it!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:22pm PT
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GO, sorry ! Could you post the date and time....I'll look it up and address. I'm so far from perfect. I'm lucky I am all together today and my computer functions. If I ever look like I am "together" it's a false front. Peace, lynne
Edit: Ghost, Your post Oct 12, 3:15 pm......you have a Grate sense of humor !!!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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Locker, I like your avatar pic. Keep forgetting to tell yo. :D
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Gobee
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Los Angeles
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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When your conscious is telling you to do or not to do something, what is that? And when you don't do it what's that?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
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Good Question, Gobee. lynne
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:47pm PT
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Airing tonight on the Discovery Channel at 9 pm (Eastern and Pacific), Discovering Ardi — a documentary on the investigation leading up to the historic announcement of the Ardipithecus ramidus fossils.
(In case anyone still cares about the origin of this thread.)
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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Ardi has been debunked for millions of years.
The advanced souls in the past yugas all cremated the bodies.
Their bones will never be found .....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
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Dr. F, Stop apologizing. Please. You are nice. How many times do I have to reiterate that. I (mostly) enjoy this entire thread. Dan counted you a friend and so do I along with Spencer.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 12, 2009 - 08:13pm PT
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Dr F your Muslim scenario is plain stupid logic because it's based on sectarian religion, whether Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or any other sect.
The cremation thing will be your homework, you're the scientist .....
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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 12, 2009 - 08:14pm PT
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"I must kill 1000 christians, so I can get my 72 virgins"
What a deal. Are these 72 doe-eyed virgins available for Mr. Ali’s carnal pleasures? If so, what does he do after Week 1 of eternity? {YMMV} Teach them to play Mah Jong? Cribbage? How many grapes and dates must he eat over the next multi-gazillion years?
Or worse. The 72 doe-eyed virgins are eternal virgins and NOT available for his carnal pleasure. Can anyone image anything worse than to be teamed up forever with six dozen virgin vixens who constantly want to feed you grapes and dates and want to play Mah Jong and cribbage?
Christians +1
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2009 - 08:30pm PT
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no, the dating is very exact at 4.4 million years ago, give or take
50,000 years, according to the independent samples sent to two
different research testing laboratories
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Oct 12, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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I know I'm not Lynne but...
First, God would not tell us to kill anyone to go to heaven, but have a faith in Jesus. It's no longer an "eye for an eye", Jesus said to forgive; if you want to be forgiven, you also have to forgive.
Second, True, but some Muslim's do change! Anyone of us could be the same as anyone else in the whole world, but God and his Son are over all. He is not a Nation or a religion, but God. We need to follow Him not the other way around!
Edit; Nice cactus flowers!
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jstan
climber
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Oct 12, 2009 - 09:08pm PT
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Gobee:
As regards your question about what came before.
http://www.big-bang-theory.com/
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……..Big Bang Theory - Common Misconceptions?There are many misconceptions surrounding the Big Bang theory. For example, we tend to imagine a giant explosion. Experts however say that there was no explosion; there was (and continues to be) an expansion. Rather than imagining a balloon popping and releasing its contents, imagine a balloon expanding: an infinitesimally small balloon expanding to the size of our current universe. ??Another misconception is that we tend to image the singularity as a little fireball appearing somewhere in space. According to the many experts however, space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we………..
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The very idea of time when space was created is subject to relativistic calculation because of the huge mass involved and it probably little resembles our idea of a linear time variable. It is not mentioned here but in order to explain a number of astronomical observations it has been useful to posit that the initial expansion proceeded, in some sense, at supraluminal velocities. Not being a specialist in this I won’t venture to guess at the sense in which this occurred or how space or time looked. It did not look at all like what we see around us.
All of these theories are at the edge of that for which we have useful models. A useful model is one that allows us to calculate results that correspond closely to what we see. Now here at the edge separating the things for which we have models/hypotheses and the things for which we don’t have models
we observe the most incredible phenomenon of all.
We get a gross difference in the behaviors of different people at this “edge.”
Technical people are not only able, they are sometimes pleased, to say, “on the other side, we do not yet know.” They are sometimes pleased because they have identified new and interesting questions needing to be answered.
Some other people seem to have a disparate fear of “not knowing.” They simply imagine some magical mechanism to explain. The value of that magical mechanism rests only in that it fills a hole the person cannot tolerate for whatever reason.
This last is my model/hypothesis for this very curious human phenomenon.
The phenomenon is very old. Before we knew what the sun was the sun used to be worshipped as a god. The sun actually proved to be a good god that served us very well. And it did it every morning without fail. We could depend upon it.
PS: I hope better informed persons can correct me where I do not properly understand.
I shall be very pleased to have my understanding improved.
Edit:
From Gobee:
"jstan
Very cool! God is beyond time and space, He created it!"
1. We have no data suggesting a god exists.
2. We have no data saying it might be a he.
3. Space was created about 13.75 BILLION years ago.
4. Our sun came to its present state approximately 4 billion years ago
5. We think our solar system was created by supernovae of the supermassive stars formed early in cosmic history. Our models for stars indicates very massive stars can become supernovae in as little as 100,000 years, provided they are massive enough. So the materials from which we are made may possibly have been created by more than one generation of supernovae.
Now you may be persuaded to advance a model suggesting nearly 14 billion years ago an all powerful man created the universe.
But there is no data whatsoever to support this model.
A rational response is to say, "We don't know everything right now, and that is perfectly fine."
And we can then get on with the business of living our lives, doing as little damage as we can to others, and working to create conditions allowing life to continue.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Oct 12, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
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Gobee, hang in there.
Funny @ "I'm not lynne, but...." hahahaha
I was just jivin' ya about answering the question in an earlier post.
Go For It Always. Peace, lynnie
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