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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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someone cares!
Thanks, Wes
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 21, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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Norton- "Pray for old Norton."
Will do!
I know how you feel. I have a herniated disk with two bulges at L5-S1. Last Tuesday I got a steroid injection. It helps, but they can only do it every three months. I've been to hell and back. They tell me that I have degenerative disk disease, and don't want to do surgery. Although the neurosurgeon says I need two rods with a fusion. Physical therapy has helped. Especially the back extension exercises.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 21, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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When there is nothing left but God,
that is when you find out that God is all you need!
Proverbs 22:1-2, A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches,
and favor is better than silver or gold.
The rich and the poor meet together;
the Lord is the maker of them all.
Proverbs 22:6, Train up a child in the way he should go;
even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:17-19, Incline your ear, and hear the words of the wise,
and apply your heart to my knowledge,
for it will be pleasant if you keep them within you,
if all of them are ready on your lips.
That your trust may be in the Lord,
I have made them known to you today, even to you.
Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.2) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive
Matthew 16:15-19, He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Psalm 22:26-31 The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied;
those who seek him shall praise the Lord!
May your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth shall remember
and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
shall worship before you.
28 For kingship belongs to the Lord,
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship;
before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,
even the one who could not keep himself alive.
30 Posterity shall serve him;
it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation;
31 they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn,
that he has done it.
Hope you feel better Norton!
Edit; U 2 TripL7!
John MacArthur just had back surgery and it went well but he needs to lay low for three weeks!
Thru the Bible - Dr. J. Vernon McGee
Hosea Intro
Thursday, January 21, 2010
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/thru_the_bible_with_jvernon_mcgee/Archives.asp
Great message!!!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 21, 2010 - 09:20pm PT
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So I'm in India for the next few months. Avoiding the Yosemite snow while rehabbing my ankle but mostly doing spiritual retreat.
Funny, there hardly seems to be a debate in India about God or no God. Everybody seems to believe in God, no matter how poor and miserable they are. Many don't pay any attention to God or give a crap about God, but they don't worry about if there is a God or if God exists or if he is "fair"
People worship and connect with God in vastly different ways here, from Meditation to prayer to idol worship and on and on. Few seem very concerned that the others are "going to hell" and accept we all have our own paths. THere is Muslim-Hindu tension and sometime violence but that's an "apple-Oranges" kinda thing. The Hindus don't mind the Muslims doing their religion but I think Hinduism offends Islam and there is that history going on too.
Seemingly miraculous coincidences happen everyday here. It's weird but reality is slightly different wherever you go if you pay attention. It's the sum total of the awareness of the people who live in a place that make the vibes and affect the way things happen.
Neigh-sayers on this thread keep pointing to the lack of an ideal world we live on here and say that justifies the non-existence of God. It's like Children saying there's no God and their parents are tyrants because they don't serve candy as the main course with dinner. All from people who choose a dangerous and painful sport to do for fun.
Our perspective is just too limited on this planet to see or judge the big picture.
Peace
Karl
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Marc Sisko
Trad climber
SE Warsh
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Jan 21, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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This thing is still going on...I still maintain that an honest inquiry vindicates Christianity...especially powerful are the current testimonies of ex-new agers and inner space voyagers like Randall Baer and Tal Brooke and ex-Muslims like Mark Gabriel
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roadman
climber
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Jan 21, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
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dude norton! I'm sorry you're hurtin. Darwin sends his best too....
Funny story, I was livin in the ditch and had NO money. But I had the worst tires like so so bad falling off the rims. I get a lead on a guy in modesto who's supposed to have cheap good tires that just might have fallen off the back of a truck....
So I roll down in some lovely 98 degree summer heat and find the shop. I'm sweating my ass off hoping to get a good deal and I do, but the best thing was the guy who worked there. He was a real badass looking dude. Long hair Hispanic, BIG. He was wearing a blue coveralls and I didn't really look to close at the name tag till the end. As I was shoving my my few measly dollars into his hand I noticed his name tag.... Darwin!
Those who know the truth are out there. My wife and I actively brainwash youngins daily.
Cheers!
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 21, 2010 - 11:17pm PT
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Rokjox!
I have had a long history of back problems! In 01' I fell at work and messed up my left knee and collapsed the disk at L5-S1. WC did the surgery on my knee, but they ended up winning a court case regarding my back. All on the basis that I had been seeing the Docs at Kaiser for minor back pain. In a ten year period I had 2-3 flair ups. No big deal, but I was hopping to get therapy and possibly some steroid injections. Then I took a bad fall at work and realy blew it out. I worked for a Dr. at the time. Very powerful one in LA. I went to the best W.Comp. attorney's in LA. When I told them who I worked for they told me to forget it. Long story. But I got zilch for my back. They did the surgery on the L/Knee and are going to cover the total knee replacement that I need(the initial knee surgery was a failure)but my back is shot. I am not covered. Plain and simple. I can get Medicare coverage, but the one Doc I spoke to told me to forget it. He said, and this is a direct quote "We get 15% on the dollar" his expression was "do you think we are nuts?".
So they tell me I have degenerative disc disease!! I realy don't dwell on it much. The Injections once every three months help...for a few weeks. I don't know how age factors in, I am 60!! Like Gobee just said the pastor John MacArthur just had surgery. He is about 60-65 I would imagine.
What it boils down to is insurance. And I am sh#t out of luck!!
Peace.
PS How is your back doing?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 21, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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roadman!
But I have peace!
I am truly happier than I have ever been in my whole life, full of joy! Ad especialy peace.
How about you? And your gangster buddy, darwin? Does he have peace?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 22, 2010 - 01:04am PT
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Norton-
So sorry to hear about your back trouble!
Obviously, Homo sapiens has not yet perfected upright walking!
Meanwhile, many thanks for starting this thread which has provided myself and obviously many others, with so many hours of amusement - so much to think about, chuckle at, get incensed about, and reconsider.
Obviously from the 5,000 plus posts now, there were a lot of smart people eager to exchange ideas and you provided the platform.
Hope you feel better soon.
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MH2
climber
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Jan 22, 2010 - 01:16am PT
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Hang in there, Norton. We will need you for the new season.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 22, 2010 - 01:24am PT
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MH2!
Lots of laughs!! Hahaha!
Right on Charlie Brown.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 22, 2010 - 02:05am PT
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Karl-
I envy you being in India! There are so many things I love about South Asia, but most of all, I also love the way it forces me to be a different person and see things from an entirely different perspective.
And of course every day there is an adventure, especially if you're traveling. You never know what is around the next corner - a team of street acrobats, a group of beggers, an elephant decked out in make up and jewelry, a group of orange robed holy men, giggling school girls in British uniforms, a couple of computer programmers, a troop of langur monkeys pursued by irate people who have just been robbed of their bags and sun glasses, cows fornicating away and causing a traffic jam, street vendors cooking spicy snacks, and always and everywhere super friendly people dressed in clothes of bright and cheerful colors.
Have fun, be inspired, enjoy the variety, and come back to the bland world of the West with everything in perspective!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 22, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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""Wide is the path to destruction."
21, (3x7),
that should be "Wyde is the path to enlightenment"
"Thug Darwin"? Trippy, you could, grow from a reading of the book of Darwin.
Too apt Mh2!
All Power to Jan and Karl.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 22, 2010 - 02:35am PT
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jstan-
For some years here in SB I slept on the floor, a slab. I could tell the difference
between s-waves and p-waves and could even get a directional fix on an earthquake.
Glad to hear at least two of us can feel earthquakes at least. Suddenly it occurred to me that many things we think we discover as a result of meditation may not be anything new but rather, the rediscovery of abilities we had in the distant past which were lost due to the increasing "noise" in our life at all levels. The meditation literature often talks about rediscovering our true self. Part of that may well be, just rediscovering some of our senses which we've suppressed.
I presumed we developed a specie aversion to snakes as tree shrews because at that stage we would have made a meal for a snake small enough to be an effective tree climber.
It could go back that far and have been reinforced through many later stages also since there are boas that can kill people, let alone monkeys and apes.
Along these lines, one of the explanations some have given for memories of past lives and theories of reincarnation is that they are a kind of genetic memory of things that have happened to other people. I laughed at Ghost telling me I would have been declared a witch in a past life what with all my weird experiences, as I have always felt I was persecuted by Christians in a past life to have some of the feelings I do.
On the other hand, I can document with genealogical research that plenty of my ancestors did, so perhaps I only inherited their memories - everything from Quakers persecuted by English Protestants and Amerian Puritans to the Catharis, vegetarians who believed in reincarnation, who were killed by the tens of thousands in the south of France by the Catholic church.
Meanwhile, one can certainly ponder modern intelligence and the limits of technology as we watch our own society thrash around, seemingly unable to govern itself anymore.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jan 22, 2010 - 11:02am PT
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Jan wrote
There are so many things I love about South Asia, but most of all, I also love the way it forces me to be a different person and see things from an entirely different perspective.
And of course every day there is an adventure, especially if you're traveling. You never know what is around the next corner - a team of street acrobats, a group of beggers, an elephant decked out in make up and jewelry, a group of orange robed holy men, giggling school girls in British uniforms, a couple of computer programmers, a troop of langur monkeys pursued by irate people who have just been robbed of their bags and sun glasses, cows fornicating away and causing a traffic jam, street vendors cooking spicy snacks, and always and everywhere super friendly people dressed in clothes of bright and cheerful colors.
That's just such a perfect description of the joys (and sometimes hells) of India. You get to step out of knowing what to expect (although at least now I know to expect any of those things you wrote)
Just had dinner with somebody whose mind was just a little too bent from the craziness that comes from not having much idea what's really going on and what to trust. I hope I helped!
Peace
Karl
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jstan
climber
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Jan 22, 2010 - 02:27pm PT
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Life can be pretty ironic. If you would try to name a country whose political life most resembles that of the US
it would be Iraq.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 22, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
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Proverbs 23:17, Let not your heart envy sinners,
but continue in the fear of the Lord all the day.
Proverbs 23:18 Surely there is a future,
and your hope will not be cut off
Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.2) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive
Proverbs 23:19, Hear, my son, and be wise,
and direct your heart in the way.
A Psalm of David
Psalm 23, The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters.
3 He restores my soul.
He leads me in.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies;
you anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life,
and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 22, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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Jaybro- "Thug Darwin"
I was referring to roadman's 'friend' whose name is also Darwin! I had presumed that he was connected some way "wit da thug life". Tires(nor anything else of value)don't just fall off the back of trucks!
I have read "Origin of Species" and other excerpts from his life. Like I said, this had nothing to do with Charles D.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 22, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
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roadman
climber
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Jan 22, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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