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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jan 19, 2010 - 02:40am PT
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No one can find god, because god is only a metaphor for resolving the mystery of being. Doubtless Ardi's understanding of existence differed little from the average christian in contemporary life.
You want to find answers then turn to science; all the rest is smug bullsh#t designed to make you feel cozy in the midst of bewilderment.
All religious symbols describe the human psyche and fulfill its needs, they prepare you for the inevitable end in which every religious metaphor's truth or falseness becomes absolutely irrelevant.
Unfortunately, making metaphorical symbols into historical truth has inhibited human progress in every corner of the world.
You should ask yourself why religious symbols throughout the world are so similar? It's because they are products of a human mind, psyche, psychology that stands alone before the mystery of existence terrified, whimpering and needy.
Get over it and strive to make the world a better place!
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jstan
climber
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Jan 19, 2010 - 03:38am PT
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I can't think of anything worse than
having the mystery of being
not being a mystery.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 03:45am PT
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That seems to be the heart of it, intolerance of unanswered questions (mysteries).
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jstan
climber
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Jan 19, 2010 - 03:58am PT
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If all questions are answered
we don't get to do anything!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 05:25am PT
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Or when one answer quenches all questions.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabon movin on
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Jan 19, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
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'Why should you want to know?
Don't you mind about the future.
Don't you try to think ahead.
Save tomorrow for tomorrow,
think about today instead.
Why should you want to know?
Why are you obsessed with fighting
times and fates you can't defy?
If you knew the path we're riding,
You'd understand it less than I.'
-Jesus Christ Superstar
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 19, 2010 - 03:07pm PT
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you all should read this opinion peace...
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/must-there-be-a-bottom-line/
Needless to say, not everyone will be pleased by this argument. Those strong religionists who believe that the overweening claims of science (or scientism) must be denounced daily will not be pleased by an argument that says nothing about redemption, salvation and sin, and gives full marks to science’s achievements. (Smith, a pupil of B.F. Skinner’s, has been a sympathetic and knowledgeable student of science for many years.) And those materialist atheists who see religion as the source of many of the world’s evils and all of its ignorance will not be pleased by an argument that finds an honorable place for religious beliefs and practices.
And some will be irritated by a book that does not take sides, but tells you what the sides are and how they make their (flawed) cases, and tells you, finally, that there needn’t be any sides at all. That’s what makes the book good.
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MH2
climber
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Jan 19, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
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I can't think of anything worse than
having the mystery of being
not being a mystery.
I don't remember that among Nightmares of Eminent Persons.
But you leave some room on what you mean by being.
"For example, what exactly Hegel's logic is has been shrouded in mystery for every Hegelian after Hegel himself (and some would say for every Hegelian including Hegel)."
I don't think we are in any danger of stasis as long as there is the mystery of making a living.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
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What's the point of anything if it's all about god?
Why would god need anything more than god?
Why would god need life?
What is the purpose of life to god?
Wouldn't the only possible "meaning" to life be about god and not us?
What's the 'point' of us if there is a god?
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MH2
climber
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Jan 19, 2010 - 04:39pm PT
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On the subject of unusual sensations, here is an example from the stranger shores of science. The Journal of Applied Physiology is a third-rate publication at best.
Maybe evolution could produce radio communication. The closest is electro-reception and transmission in eels or fish that live in muddy water. Sharks supposedly have great reception but no transmission, I think. One publication said that a shark could sense the current that would be produced by a D cell 1.5V battery if each terminal were connected to one end of the Alaska pipeline and the pipe was filled with sea water. Or some such.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jan 19, 2010 - 05:52pm PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G60hM1W_mk
Here's a pretty straightforward hearing test. My 47 year old ears can hear from 60hZ to 8khZ, no more, no less. Thanks a lot, Robert Fripp!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 07:35pm PT
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What's the 'point' of us if there is a god?
Relationship!
Why? What's the point? Why does god need us or a relationship with us?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
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And does any of the other 99.87% of the Earth's biomass have a soul?
Edit: fixed the percentage which was knott 98.7%...
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 19, 2010 - 07:45pm PT
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"Why? What's the point? Why does god need us or a relationship with us?"
Do you want to live alone forever? I bore myself, but live in doing and relations!
I feel great giving to our children and grandchildren!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 19, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
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Are you saying god created us simply because he was bored with himself?
I mean, do I look like an arcade game or random number generator?
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Homer
Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jan 19, 2010 - 08:49pm PT
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Thanks for your post Ed. I guess I would say that we get confused because we don't have the information to tell the contexts - where science or religion is the appropriate tool - apart. There's some way that all those finite numbers blend to form infinity, but it's a tough nut to crack!
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 19, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
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healyje --" .. do I look like an arcade game or random number generator?"
Hahaha LOL
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Jan 20, 2010 - 01:08am PT
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In this life God created everything with the end game of making us free living independent beings within the confines of time and space to be real persons able to realize who God is, and to show us His true Holy nature!
These are just my observations, as above! Also I think God had so much love to give He had to make us!
Proverbs 20:9, Who can say, “I have made my heart pure;
I am clean from my sin”?
Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.2) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive
John 6:37, All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Trust in the Name of the Lord Our God
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David.
Psalm 20, May the Lord answer you in the day of trouble!
May the name of the God of Jacob protect you!
2 May he send you help from the sanctuary
and give you support from Zion!
3 May he remember all your offerings
and regard with favor your burnt sacrifices! Selah
4 May he grant you your heart's desire
and fulfill all your plans!
5 May we shout for joy over your salvation,
and in the name of our God set up our banners!
May the Lord fulfill all your petitions!
6 Now I know that the Lord saves his anointed;
he will answer him from his holy heaven
with the saving might of his right hand.
7 Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.
8 They collapse and fall,
but we rise and stand upright.
9 O Lord, save the king!
May he answer us when we call.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jan 20, 2010 - 01:48am PT
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Wow Gobee!
Those are two tremendously uplifting, and heartening videos/stories and paintings!!
They tell a true story of the struggle, and victory of our wonderful country and people. Where would we be without God.
Thanks for sharing.
EDIT: We have been blessed(not perfect)but truly blessed as a Nation under God.
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