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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 4, 2009 - 01:41pm PT
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Longer/thinner cable - sucks
Ghey color coding - sucks
Alumiswag floats like a dead Cat! - sucks
Way to go Dmm, Fuc&ed up one of the best designs.
Bring back the Crayola Six Pack!
Now if Dmm was hampered under design patents, and were forced to change the style, then OK. But the Brass head is the same so WTF?
Edit: I did not specify, I am speaking of the "Brass offsets"
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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mucci--a design patent protects aesthetics, not functionality. So if whatever feature it is that you're talking about improves the functionality, it is not protected by a valid design patent.
A "regular" (utility) patent protects functionality.
I don't think patents really relate to what's going on here--if you're really curious, you could check the records of the US Patent and Trademark Office (also look at product packaging to see if it
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I think that DMM has clear title to whatever patents and IP is left on those designs. I think they were just trying to improve the design. The better the original is, like the HB Offsets, the harder it is to improve.
Now someone tell me how to improve tricams without screwing them up. I've been losing sleep over that for ten years.
Mal
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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let it to Gdavis for the awesome graphics!!!!
agreed with the DMM design though. Who buys that crap?
I got some metolius offsets that look like child's toys, prolly hold body weight though (of a child).
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sween345
climber
back east
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mal,
The pink tricam could be just a tad wider so it won't roll sideways when being removed from a snug placement, making it harder to salvage. (I've managed to do this twice recently.)
Jim
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
Vacaville Ca,
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I could care less about color coding (though I do think it's a bit ghey) but I do agree that the thin floppy cables and loose head that floats up and down the cable easily is crap.
Kinda like the old Alien trigger wires that would shift and cause the lobes to offset, remember those?
Annoying!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Several of us talked with DMM about the cabling and the fact we had to epoxy the heads ourselves on the current cabling in order to be able to clean the pieces. This is definitely a case where they were attempting to put their own mark and spin on the pieces 'modernizing' and cutting down on the costs. As Mal said, pretty hard not to f*#kup perfection. I for one would very much like to see DMM return to producing Alloy Offsets exactly as they were when HB was putting them out.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
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Like "Old reliable" here?
I think this is a first generation?
Edit: I forgot about the alloy sizes, thanks for reminding me. I also used epoxy on the heads to hold the cable in place, good fix. Yet they are the same size cables as the originals, at least they didn't add 2 inches!
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rhyang
climber
SJC
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Love my DMM alloy offsets. Just get some clear epoxy from Home Despot, slide the nut down, put some epoxy on the wire ends, slide back up, and allow to cure. A utility knife works well to scrape any excess dried glue off the end.
Never owned the HB alloy originals.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
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I guess my edit is going unseen?
Dmm BRASS Offsets are what I wanted to discuss:
Like these-
Standard Yellow #4, With the new design: Longer cable, Fifi pastel colors, Oh and look at the ones on the right, all curled up like a dead cat! They put a dimple in the swag that only allows one side of the swag to move. This has created a ClusterFU*& worse than problem with the Alloy sizes always slipping down the cable (epoxy quick fix)
Once again, BRING BACK THE CRAYOLA SIX PACK!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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I agree the new offset nuts are not consumer ready. I bought a set from the Valley rock shop and everytime I go to place one, the head slips up the cable and I have to mess with it to get it in place. Made for some dicy placements free climbing because I couldn't just grab and place, I had to get the head back down the cable everytime first. Gives me that extra pump hanging out that I don't appreciate. Aid climbing it is not such a big deal, just much more of a hassle and it gets irritating. I tried to crimp the cable with my hands so the head wouldn't move, and that seemed to work ok. Never thought of epoxy but that makes sense. Seems like they should come from the factory ready for use without having to dink with them.
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