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Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 10, 2009 - 10:31am PT
It does TERRIBLE THINGS TO MACS.

It TOTALLY crashed the LApple.

WTFIUWT?

Not good.

:-0 YIKES

Kath

billygoat

climber
3hrs to El Cap Meadow, 1.25hrs Pinns, 42min Castle
Apr 10, 2009 - 10:32am PT
Thank Russ.
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2009 - 10:34am PT
I'm not Russ. . . but I do play him on TV.

?

But. . . you're welcome anyway.

?

Something tells me I'm WAY out of the loop on this one.

?

eKatInTheDark
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2009 - 10:36am PT
GoodLord. . . that wasn't "Thanks, Russ." it was "Thank Russ."

HohMahn. . . I'm WAY out of the loop. . . and I fully don't know what's going on. . . but if you're running an iBookG4 you might want to stay off that thread.

I hate stuff like that.

Kath
billygoat

climber
3hrs to El Cap Meadow, 1.25hrs Pinns, 42min Castle
Apr 10, 2009 - 10:44am PT
Russ had it out to crash that thread. Sounds like he did.
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Apr 10, 2009 - 10:45am PT
I noticed it yesterday.

It isn't just macs.

It overflows the buffers in your browser.


Skip
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 10, 2009 - 10:56am PT
Bump to keep people out of there.

Glad I didn't open it.
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 10, 2009 - 11:02am PT
Just skip to the second page, He loaded two or three nukes on the first page in a tirade against off topic threads. Anybody with a smaller system or a dialup connection will get a LONG delay at best.

The thread drift has moved to HAM Radio, and there is a really cool collection of OLD QSL cards being displayed.
khanom

climber
dirt
Apr 10, 2009 - 11:03am PT
Loads fine for me. On my Mac.
billygoat

climber
3hrs to El Cap Meadow, 1.25hrs Pinns, 42min Castle
Apr 10, 2009 - 11:10am PT
I don't think the intention was to mess with anybodies computer as much as it was to mess with the thread.
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Apr 10, 2009 - 11:15am PT
Really BIG pictures of a nuke blast.

He used to use them a lot last year.


Then he grew up.

Benjamin Button disorder.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
Crashed my Macbook Pro

Bad Fishy
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:15pm PT
Hahaha 11 mbytes of .jpg (jpeg) for that nuke.

How much ram is in the Macs that are crashing?
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:17pm PT
The second page of that thread does have a fascinating discussion of ham radio, with photos. Though some of the technical details are a bit abstruse.
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:18pm PT
Kind of ....

But I suspect it's taking a while to load and render the browser and causing a kernel panic from the memory chips.

Just a wild guess ......

It loads fine and fast on my machine, windows xp 3.0 ghz 4gigs ram @ 3.2 actual gigs, firefox 3.08.

Windows Xp 32 bit can only handle 4 gigs of ram max.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
No one's machine can be damaged by this. Russ just posted several enormous photos of a nuclear blast to kill the thread.

No need to worry about your hardware. :)
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 12:24pm PT
Yeah for sure.

Send it to me and it can't be fixed. I'll dispose of it for you after extracting all your personal information for my stealth hack into North Korean missile defense system.

So I can launch a good counter attack at Russ. He'll think they did it .....
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
It totally screwed up my computer, and it took me forever to get things back up again.

Not very nice Russ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:23pm PT


Ha Ha Ha Ha


this shiitt cracks me up, Russ did nothing to anyone. just posted large pictures .


the information society at its best.

my macs handled it just fine.
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2009 - 01:23pm PT
Guy, you guys. . . I didn't even know you could do stuff like that. . . guess I'm outta the loop, eh?

I'm runnin' a pretty nice (not THAT old) LApple iBookG4 and it got fried. . . everything went haywire. . . and I run BIG ASS graphics on this thing - with the newest and best PhotoChop. . . so it's not a space issue.

Mussy, why are you mad at us?

I love you.

You shouldn't be mean.

oxox

Brockman

P.S. I will admit I had ALL kinds of stuff open. . . so maybe there was just some kind of overload? NEVER experienced anything like it.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
Philo, I don't owe you shiit.


next.....


Wahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!111666


Keep the panic alive!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:36pm PT
I'm calling the FBI right now!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:41pm PT
oh... Missed the part where Philo was "coming out here"..... to have a "chat".

That good sir, is considered a threat and *is* of interest to the FBI.... but laughable at best.

Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2009 - 01:50pm PT
I don't know why you're mad at us and I wish you didn't make fun of my "magic" line. . . but that's OK. . . I guess something's got you sorta pissy today. Sorry if I made you mad.

I'm signing out of this thread. I'm sad enough for one day.

Still wishing everybody peace.

xo

Kath
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:51pm PT


It's no joke ZIP.

IT'S DEATH FROM ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!66666
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:53pm PT

Not an "us" scenario Blinny... I'm mad a FUKKING OT POST THAT CONSIST OF A G'DAMN URL ONLY!!!!!!!1111


SHOW SOME FUKKING EFFORT!!!!


WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 01:58pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24wAS-ZPcJQ
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:00pm PT


FUKKKK!!!666666


Werners link just crashed my computer and emptied my FRIDGE!!!!!!!1111111166666


WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW!!!!!!!!!111111666



WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:00pm PT
Hahahaha LOL
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:11pm PT
WATCH OUT FOR WERNERS LINK!!!!111

I think he has flipped his lid.


Zip: what are you gurgling about? relax... your porn collection is intact.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:15pm PT





The Fish Finder is laughing his aasss off !!!!!!!!11111111666666
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:16pm PT

whatever Zip... do what you must.

Too bad your fukking undies are so tight that the world almost ended because of a big picture. Widespread panic over a slow loading picture.

Mandrake

Mountain climber
planet dogboy
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:17pm PT
NAH!

Russ' two images, while huge-ish on the photo front, were notably smaller than most all of the YouTube vids regularly posted locally. a couple megs. that and they were standard jpeg -- no way you can hide malicious executable code in a functional jpeg (and they were functional -- as i saw them).

so no way they "damaged" anyone's mac, or peecee, or cray xv. at worst, those images might have taken a rather looong time to load for those with their mac's set to do full image/full pixel display via some upscale aftermarket imaging app. porn bores me so i don't have my rig set up like that.

my wimpy little road laptop (a fay peecee, 2g ram) handled it just fine -- though i admit i didn't get to see da'bomb in its full apacolyptic magnificence. given the state of things in pakistan, perhaps i'll soon get to see the real thing. outstanding.

so relax kids, your voodoo boxes are just fine. better to worry about the purity of your precious bodily fluids. that and learn to love the bomb...
~~~

as for you, General Ripper, eh, Sir,

"Oh, you're going have a little wash and brush up, are you? What a good idea. Always did wonders for a man, that, Jack. A little wash and brush up. Water on the back of the neck, and... makes you feel marvelous. That's what we need, Jack! Water on the back of the neck and the code..."


OPE, baby!

Mandrake
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:27pm PT
Well Zip, for that I am sorry.

Maybe there are two lessons here: back up current work frequently and fuk OT threads?
BIinny

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:30pm PT
It's not Russ.
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:45pm PT
Zip

Always save the work you do on the machine while your working every minute or so. If you don't and have an operating system crash or power failure you will lose that work.

Without actually saving your work to hard drive while working on a document it is only saved in volatile ram.

When ram (memory) loses power ...... all work gone, unless saved to hard drive first.
billygoat

climber
3hrs to El Cap Meadow, 1.25hrs Pinns, 42min Castle
Apr 10, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
This is getting out of control. How many threads do we need about this? Russ is one of the funniest guys on here. He tried a joke and it backfired on some folk's hardware. Big deal. End of story.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:04pm PT
HAHAHAHA The evil Fish!

Ya bunch of f*#king whiners!!! Restart your sh#t and call it good. Even the lamest of computer users understands that concept. Sheesh!

"Not liking an OT thread is one thing. Simply be an adult and stay away from them.
But to maliciously screw with folks computers is infantile at best and a violation of federal law at worst. Look out Russ you might get a visit from some grumpy feds.
That was a chicken sh#t act. How would you like it if someone messed with the stiching on your products before they went to market? You owe an apology!
"

This was probably the best response of all! And incredibly ironic that he used the word "infantile". HAHAHA Get a clue, foo!

Shhh... Watch out! Be careful, Russ... They're comin'...

edit: Wait. This is pretty funny too!!
"the guy who wrote most of mac OS/X"

One guy, huh? hahaha
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:07pm PT
That part of it sucks, for sure, zip. But it certainly wasn't capable of damaging people's computers, nor would the feds give a f*#k.

Bummer about the taxes tho.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:35pm PT
The FBI is on the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:35pm PT
So Werner, I take it that you approve of Russ's action.


Or am I totally confused by the buddhist master?
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:38pm PT
"You don't think the Feds would give crap. Think again! they take all malicious internet activity very seriously! I am probably going to report this to them."

Good luck with that. I'm sure Russ is packing up and heading out to hide, high up in a squeeze chimney now, as we type. hahaha

Seriously, save the drama for your mama, dude.

note - Oh, to get you started - "Contact the FBI's National Computer Crime Squad through the Washington Metropolitan Field Office at nccs@fbi.gov, or call (202) 324-9164."

edit: !!!!1111
Pennsylenvy

Big Wall climber
Memomma, Isle
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:41pm PT
It's one of those things.....I DO feel sorry for zip.... but I think it's f#kin hilarious in a way also. Let's see GOOD dog, BAD dog, which one this time?
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:47pm PT
Sorry about your mom.

I'm just going to say, however, as someone who has worked in this industry for 15 years, a portion of that with the Criminal Justice Department (in MIS/IT Security and investigating/testifying in relation to computer crimes, etc), no crime has been committed here and you're wasting your time. You'd get a lot farther sicking them on one of the political nutcases around here... Might want to use a toll free number so you don't waste money, on top of it. Good luck.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:48pm PT
Please do knott call the FBI - we could get in some really big trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:49pm PT
patrick

Buddhist master?

I have nothing to do with Buddhism. Where you get that idea?

Buddhism is actually atheistic because it is incomplete "ahimsa" but himsa is required.

From the Bhagavatam we understand that Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Krishna who appeared when materialism was rampant and materialists were using the pretext of the authority of the Vedas. Although there are certain restrictive rules and regulations regarding animal sacrifice for particular purposes in the Vedas, people of demonic tendency still took to animal sacrifice without reference to the Vedic principles. Lord Buddha appeared to stop this nonsense and to establish the Vedic principles of nonviolence.

He deluded the atheists because such atheists who followed his principles did not believe in God, but they kept their absolute faith in Lord Buddha, who himself was the incarnation of God. Thus the faithless people were made to believe in God in the form of Lord Buddha. That was the mercy of Lord Buddha: he made the faithless faithful to him.

To such bewildered persons of atheistic propensity, Lord Buddha is the emblem of theism.

Lord Buddha superficially denied the authority of the Vedas. This rejection of the Vedas by Lord Buddha was adopted in order to save people from the vice of animal killing as well as to save the poor animals from the slaughtering process of their big brothers who clamor for universal brotherhood, peace, justice and equity. There is no justice when there is animal killing.

Technically Lord Buddha's philosophy is called atheistic because there is no acceptance of the Supreme Lord and because that system of philosophy denied the authority of the Vedas. But that is an act of camouflage by the Lord. Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Godhead. As such, he is the original propounder of Vedic knowledge.

He therefore cannot reject Vedic philosophy. But he rejected it outwardly ...

from; Srimad-Bhagavatam purport

Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:52pm PT
"When you deliberately cause harm to a users computer then you HAVE committed a crime! "

OK. I give. What do I know...? Give me a few minutes tho, I need to clear out my Flickr account and alert their administrators, as posting pictures online is now a crime, as it will cause (deliberate, moist likely) harm to other people's computers.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:53pm PT
Here.. I'll help you Philo:

I posted a 5mb file to a forum that crashed some POS computer. A standard jpeg if they ask.

When do I get my orange jumpsuit?


Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 03:55pm PT
Oh! Holy F*#k!!!!1111 I'm a f*#king photographer!!!111 I have photos all over the Internet!!!!!!111 I hope I don't have to bunk with Russ.
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 04:02pm PT
philo

Back off with the nutcase speculations. Russ did nothing.

billygoat

climber
3hrs to El Cap Meadow, 1.25hrs Pinns, 42min Castle
Apr 10, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
philo,

what werner just said. chill the phuck out.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 10, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
Philo, you're a kook. Call who you want.

Be sure to tell them all about your posted, copyright infringed dead baby pictures and your love affair with Hamas while you are at it. I wonder who they will be looking at?

WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 04:14pm PT
philo

Randy (nefarious) up thread already explained it.

It was a standard .jpg file (jpeg) and it was clean.

It crashed browsers rendering with low ram and page files.

That was the fault of the end user. That can happen on any web page anywhere on the net, and it does.

It loaded on my PC perfect and I switched to Mac Os X leopard and rendered and loaded perfect.

So what you want? you're barking up the wrong tree dude.
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 10, 2009 - 04:32pm PT
Well, Werner posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24wAS-ZPcJQ

I assure you, the FBI is INDEED interested!
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:03pm PT
Good show, zip!!!

Sounds like you can afford a few more vacation days now!
weschrist

Gym climber
left sac
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
wow, Mac rule!

I saw David Gross, 2004 Nobel Laurette, give a talk on Tues. It took 6 people about 20 minutes to get the stupid MAC to interface with the projector.

Stupid MACs
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:18pm PT
Hate to tell you this now Zip, but www.taxactonline.com is only a few bucks (I think it's under 20$ to use and file with - used to be free). Doh!

At least you'll know for next year.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:43pm PT
Why knott just kick Russ' ass and get it over with already?

What a drama queen!!!!!!!!!!1111
WBraun

climber
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:43pm PT
There was no malicious intent towards any computer philo.

Do you even read?

It did not crash my machine nor when I rebooted into Mac Os X leopard. You're being an idiot and a drama queen.

If there was a malicious intent then it would have crashed my machine and others. But it didn't.

It only hung machines that were already weak and vulnerable due to low ram and or low resources. Those machines will cause trouble again for their owners down the line.

At one point there were actually two of those nuke files in that thread at approximately 11 megabytes of jpg file to render. My browsers and operating systems both windows and Mac Os X handled them fine with no problems.

If there really was a malicious intent, then it would have crashed my machine or my anti virus would have caught it.

Again .... philo your case is mute.



Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 05:47pm PT
What's funny is all the hootin' and hollerin' about a couple of Russ' 5 MB images, and yet knott one peep
about Crimpergirl's "Old School" thread with images that amounted to OVER 37 MB ON THE *FIRST PAGE*. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111)

Your computers loaded that just fine, eh?
the Fet

Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:02pm PT
Here fishy fishy.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:03pm PT
I have a piece of crap, refurbished, Compaq and the nuke picture didn't crash my computer. I even had Photoshop running.

Maybe Philo is trolling Russ.....
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:11pm PT
I sincerely hope for Philo's sake it's all a big fuÁking joke.

Otherwise, I think there's a solid case for a 5150 hold.

I've got my phone in hand...
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:27pm PT
Zip - Open that thread again, and just before your computer locks up again, see if you can detect a quick flickering on the screen.

That will help diagnose the problem.





































(kidding)
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
Werner, my ignorance. Apologies.


At least you are not Mormon or Scientologist.


I am staying in a Marriott resort and couldn't help to notice the book of Mormon next to the bed.

I wiki'ied Marriott. Yep, Mormon proslytisers.


At least you do not push what you believe in...


... or do you?

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 10, 2009 - 06:48pm PT
Goodbye, cruel forum!!!!!!!!!!!1111
pip the dog

Mountain climber
planet dogboy
Apr 11, 2009 - 07:50am PT
Nefarius,
> edit: Wait. This is pretty funny too!!
> "the guy who wrote most of mac OS/X"
> One guy, huh? hahaha

mia culpa. i got i little "irish" on that one. of course OS/X was the work of hundreds of people. perhaps thousands is more to the point, given its distinct unix ancestry.

but this young guy was at the very heart of it at apple at the time, of that i am certain. for he never talked about it, not at all his style. rather it was many of his then apple OS peers who worked with him every day who told me at b'man that he was doing much of the heaviest lifting, just then.

i deleted that post after i called him to confirm my read on Gen. Ripper's Plan R. i deleted it because he asked me to.
~~~

i will say this for him: he followed "Needle Spoon" in the meadows without a fall on his fourth day of actually climbing anything. a soft, if excellent .10a -- yet still no small thing on day 4 of one's climbing career. he is a fine and modest guy (at the time, maybe 24). me, i'm neither; and apparently a Luddite.


mia maxima culpa,

^,,^

[aka Mandrake. i'm not all that jazzed by my current monicker and am searching for a better one]
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Apr 11, 2009 - 08:14am PT
The problems people encountered had nothing to do with the type of computer they are using (or better said, "less so") except that those with less ram run into problems more frequently. Nor could it harm anyone beyond a simple reset.

It was an overflow buffer issue combined with a video driver issue. IMHO. Why? How the hell do I know.

When people have many things open (read instances of browsers and tabs plus other crap) your OS will need to reconfigure your memory paging at times. This can take a lot of time depending on ... well depending all kinds of things.

When you open your browser your operating system allocates a certain amount of space for it to operate within. When you run over that allotment your system needs to deal with it. And needs to do it in conjunction with the video driver and hard drive swap space which may also be having problems with the size of the file.

Doing so can be quite a pain because often your operating system will have to discard other things that don't work very well while all this is going on. And thus the fight ensues. It can become a outright "virtual knock down drag out."

Think of CMack trying to contain all of us at the same time.

Or even better:

Think of taking Tami out of the car and trying put someone else in. And even worse the whole time you are slamming Tami's head into the steering wheel while trying to keep people from crawling in from the passenger side and at the same time you are trying to put someone in the backseat before the door is open and then along comes someone who locks the doors and Tami thinking she gets to come out crawls out the window and only gets halfway before someone else rolls up the window thinking it would be warmer by doing so......

As you can see, well, it just gets all ugly and sh#t.


Skip
Rankin

climber
Bishop, CA
Apr 11, 2009 - 09:14am PT
What is the matter with you people...? If you don't want to read or write on an OT thread, then don't click on it. If you're machine can't handle the nuke, then get some RAM (it's cheap). The nuke image is harmless. My machine is almost ten years old and it gets it down just fine. Both sides of this debate are being retarded. I'm going climbing. Later.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:45am PT
Bump in an attempt to put a lid on redundant threads from appearing.

Everything you need to know is right here, minus Zip's 19 self-deleted posts...

Edit: Wow - all of Philo's posts are gone too!)

Double edit: Philo's posts were evidently self-deleted as well:

http://www.supertopo.com/forumpostsearch.html?id=Oz44NTQ5OiQ%2C

Here's a link to the melodramatic "Good Bye!" thread, in which the OP simply wrote "It's been swell"...

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=832598&tn=0&mr=0
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:21am PT
So if I understand this; Russ posted a big picture that causes Macs to seize up?


So Russ, if it screws with people you didn't intend to mess with why not delete it?
I don't have major computer skills. Do you want to chase me away too?
I just started an OT thread; you gonna dictate what everyone gets to discuss?
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:23am PT
I'm gonna post this in this thread too - Just for clarity sake...

"I beg to differ.
Philo had a valid complaint that Russ was bombing
users. You may not agree with what people say
on the taco stand, but one doesn't go out creating problems
for other users that screw up their computers.
If Russ has done this he ought to be banished."

God damnit! I'm so fed up with hearing this BS, from people who don't know what the f*#k they are talking about. Russ did not do ANY damage to Philo's PC. It's simply not f*#king possible. Hardman's description of the "incident" was pretty much right on.

Maybe one of you "braniacs" would like to explain to me in a technical/scientific way, how it is possible for someone posting a (not so) large picture to a forum to do ANY damage to a PC (or Mac)...

The simple truth is that if ANYTHING happened to Philo's PC, it had nothing to do with Russ, or Philo's having entered that thread. About the worst that could happen is if he (Philo) had a total piece of sh#t computer, or maybe some bad ram or something. The PC would have hung and he'd have had to reboot. If he was too stupid be saving his work as he went and lost work during the reboot, that's kind of his own issue. It also sounds to me like he shouldn't be building his own PC's, as he said he was, over and over, if he keeps having the same issue (over and over). Plain and simple.

You guys whining about what Russ did and supporting some notion that it could damage a PC are clueless and ill advised, and your posts come across as pathetic. Like an overly protective parent. Let poor wittle Phiwo fight his own battles and stand up on his own two feet. It's unfortunate that you guys can't see through someone who obviously didn't get enough attention when they were little and the *real* reasons behind their need to post some dramatic, soap opera bullsh#t, in order to get more attention before they "leave". Rest assured, as with all of the other "Poor me, nobody wuvs me, I'm running away from home!" threads, Philo will be back.

edit: And if you have hardware/OS that isn't capable of loading a 5Mb image, you don't *deserve* to be online. The days of Lynx and text based Internet are over, bitches!
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:25am PT
Ron, et al.

Wake the fuk up. It was a picture. It was nothing but a picture. It does not harm your hardware, in fact it really does nothing but take a minute to load the image.

And no Ron, you are not even on the radar so put your possible victim card back in the deck.

froodish

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:26am PT
Adblock, it's not just for annoying ads anymore...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:33am PT
Well, not so quick there Russ. I'm not whining about being a victim, but rather concerned about the potential of this practice of yours.
I for one would feel a chilling effect upon my efforts here if I knew that it was acceptable to nuke simply because someone decides that he is the ultimate arbiter rather than saving it as a rarely deployed last ditch effort to fight a more ethical battle.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:39am PT
Ron, as I said in one of the posts lost in drama, I can appreciate effort.

I would never(?) nuke anything that anyone actually put any work into, OT or not. The post that got nuked was something like "phone sabotage" as the header and the original post was just a link. A zero effort post, by Majid.

So I posted a 5mb jpeg to it (as like the second post or something, so nobody was invested in the thread). That is really the end of the story. The rest is wild over reaction because the image took some time to load. Plugs got pulled out of the wall, panic set it, and wild speculation took over. It is such a non-event, that the subsequent fallout should be a case study in group psychosis.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:43am PT
Small.... group psychosis. Very, VERY small group.

No more than a single handful really.

Remember Dr. Smith from Lost in Space?

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:52am PT
Even so Russ, it had unintended detrimental effects.
Why not say "oops", delete it, and exercise a little more restraint?
What happens when this goes on more?
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:57am PT
"it had unintended detrimental effects"

No, it didn't. It's that simple. Any "effects" can easily be found to have their root someplace other than Russ' image post.

"exercise a little more restraint?"
Seems more people should exercise a little more brain usage before they go off all half-cocked about something they don't have the slightest grasp of.

Anyhow, I'm done with trying to educate folks. It's kinda like trying to teach a puppy French.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:05pm PT

anarchy.....
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:06pm PT
You mean I missed all of this just to go to the ditch. Wish I had stayed home.



Jody's evil twin


edit: Meanwhile my TR falls to the bottom of the first page, I'm leaving.











NOT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:06pm PT
So Nef, you're saying Russ INTENDED to alarm and/or frustrate Blinny and others?


I don't understand the need for condescension towards those who's technical sophistication is less than your own if they still offer input of value to the forum.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
"So Nef, you're saying Russ INTENDED to alarm and/or frustrate Blinny and others?


I don't understand the need for condescension towards those who's technical sophistication is less than your own if they still offer input of value to the forum.
"

OK, so the first line just makes no sense. It's flat out contradictory to anything I have said, regarding this topic. Use of the "literacy" referenced would probably have sorted that out before you started typing tho.

In regards to the second paragraph - I think it's pretty much common sense that you shouldn't be accusing anyone of ANYTHING, concerning a topic that you don't understand and are not qualified to make any judgments about.

And I hardly see any condescension in the expectation that if you are going to be posting online, and have been for a number of years that you should have gained at least some technical sophistication. Not to mention, that Philo claimed a high level of technical sophistication. Really, however, this all boils down to common sense. There are plenty of folks on here who are not terribly technically savvy, yet they don't get sucked into silly BS like what Philo was claiming.
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2009 - 12:20pm PT
You guys. . . I am SO sorry I started this thread.

I didn't mean to start such a mess.

I didn't even know Mussy was the bomber. . . I would never do anything to hurt Mussy. . . we've been friends a long time and he's always been nice to me.

But. . . that thread did a number on my LApple. . . I'm kind of a dork when it comes to computers and I admitted that I had a LOT of stuff open. . . but it did recover . . I was just trying to save other people similar frustration.

Are any of you thinking I should just delete this thread?

I'm a little SUTPID right now. . . so I might be missing the full meaning.

Please advise.

I'm so sorry.

oxox

eKat
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:21pm PT
it didn't crash this 2 gig G4
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
Blinny?

NUKE IT!

NUKE IT FOR SHOW! NUKE IT FOR DOUGH! NUKE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN!!!

Seriously.... nuke it.

BOOM!

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
Actually, I don't think you should delete it.

I'm uncomfortable with both the cavalier nature of the practice, and the condescension.

Russ and Nef have not really addressed the chilling potential.
Why not just bump climbing threads rather than making problems for third parties?
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2009 - 12:26pm PT
Nuke it. . . like put a BIG PHOTO on here?

No.

I guess I don't know what NUKE means.

Sorry.

Kath
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
Blinny - for future reference, if you ever click on something that causes Safari (or Firefox) to hang,
all you have to do is use the keyboard shortcut Command + Option + esc
(or go to the apple in menue bar and choose Force Quit). This will shut down
the web-browser and nothing else. Or (God forbid) you could just wait a minute or two for it to load.

THERE IS NO REASON TO FORCE-SHUT DOWN THE MACHINE AND LOSE WORK.

In the meantime, it would serve you very well to max out the RAM in your machine.
Shoot me an e-mail with your machine's specs (model and processor speed) and
I'll direct you to a cheap source of RAM.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:29pm PT
I'm ok with the occasional nuke bomb. I'm ok with no occasional nuke bombs.

I do not think its a big deal, at this point.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:30pm PT
More than one type of nuke blinny. Go to your first post in this thread, click on edit, then delete it.

BOOM, thread mushroom cloud. Gone in 60 microseconds.

DMT
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:31pm PT
THis thread should KNOTT be nuked (deleted)...
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 13, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
I've got a gig of RAM. . . and I did have to force quit some stuff. . . I had the spinning BeachBallFromHell. . . I acted pretty fast. . . and didn't lose anything important. This LApple is just my "fun" MAC. . . the BigMac (in the office) is the "work" one.

This LApple is an iBookG4 from 2006 so it's nowhere near the latest and greatest.

eKat
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
"I'm uncomfortable with both the cavalier nature of the practice, and the condescension.

Russ and Nef have not really addressed the chilling potential.
Why not just bump climbing threads rather than making problems for third parties?
"

I guess I see it differently. I see it more as you're yet another person (of the few) who either can't grasp the concept of, or refuses to acknowledge the fact that there is no "chilling potential" and that Russ didn't make any trouble for anyone.

But since you insist on such a train of "thought", here are the addresses for a number of places making millions of dollars off of the very thing Russ did. Maybe you should contact the feds and get them on the case. Surely you'll be considered a hero.

http://www.flickr.com
http://www.photobucket.com
http://www.gettyimages.com
http://www.shutterstock.com
http://www.istockphoto.com
http://www.randywenzel.com


do I really need to continue the list....?

edit: OK, that's it. My iPhone just locked up... That's where I draw the line. I'm calling the feds too now and having Russ' Internet connection pulled...
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:33pm PT
Nuke it Ekat, show us who the boss is.



Jody's evil twin
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
If this thread gets nuked I will repost the version of this thread I have saved,

WHICH CONTAINS ALL OF ZIP'S POSTS AND PHILO'S POSTS BERFORE THEY WERE SELF-CENSORED.

Now, we wouldn't want that to happen, would we?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:41pm PT
Nef, perhaps you're the one not grasping the concept. (please note I only said perhaps).
The way I see it, if it is both easy and commonly held to be acceptable that anybody can take a mushroom cloud sized dump on what I may have labored to communicate then I am less likely to be inclined to bother.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
OH!!! OK, I see what you're saying Ron. You're right. I wasn't grasping the concept. From *that* angle, I understand what you're saying. Sure.

I think restraint has been exercised in deploying the nuke tho, for the most part.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:54pm PT
Oh, the drama...
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:57pm PT
I'm glad that Chris Mc is king of SuperTopo. A wise, benevolent monarch, willing to tolerate our antics. If any of us were king for a day, things might be different, and not in a good way.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 12:58pm PT
There are no moderators here, thatís how we like it. Understandably, nobody likes to see his or her posts tampered with, but the side effects of this type of forum is that threads/posts are tampered with ALL the timeÖ people Thread Cģap, delete entire threads, nuke, and other. Nothing at all has changed in the last week.

The only thing out of the ordinary is that an emotionally unstable member went way over the top paranoid ballistic and sh|t the bed. The fact that he is emailing members is more grist for the mill.

Advice from another poster:

'pure entertainment....sit back and enjoy the show'.


Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:04pm PT
settle down you guys, right now, sitting to my left is a guy with his finger literally on the nuke button, don't make him nervous!

Russ went to his ball game, showed us were the nuke is, so we could give it up to the feds when they get here. Some rest day...
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
You all brought this thread back up on purpose. Now Tami is going to show up and beat the holy crap out of me.

And even worse, I will have deserved it.

I'm going out to hide in the car. Someone let me know when its all over.


Skip
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:09pm PT
"an emotionally unstable member went way over the top paranoid ballistic and sh|t the bed."

Ummm, which one? Philo, LEB, Weschrist, RokJox...? They've all gone way over the top and sh#t the bed this week...
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:13pm PT
Wear your helmet, skip.
We're dialed back to 'situation orange' now. 'The deicder' is cruising 3 stooge's youtubes;
'Slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch..."
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
I thought he was talking about ME Neff.

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
from a mac tech standpoint-

1) always run yer Time Machine, if you don't yer stoooopid.

2) download the free app "Autosaver" at the apple download center or macupdate.com (http://www.macupdate.com/); and let it run at log in. lifesaver.

3) don't keep so many goddamned windows open, 3 is plenty. running apps in the background is a total waste of RAM power.

4) always view multiple browser windows in tabs, not separate windows, unless you want to watch multiple porn streams at once. but in that situation you only have two hands so what's the point of more than two windows?

5) once every two weeks go to applications>utilities>disk utilities, then select the name of your HD in the left window and click "repair disk permissions". no one knows this but it is like giving your own car an oil change, if you don't do it yer sh#t will breakdown and why pay a for-enn-errrr yer hard earned dough.

6) download "Disk Warrior" from macudate.com and run it once every two weeks.

do all this and you will have a smooth running mac and you won't seem like such a hunched over knuckle dragger to those of us more technically inclined.

if anyone needs a hand, email me through this sheeeaaaaht. i don't know squat about PC's, so don't ask. l8r sk8r's.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
All THAT?

Damn, that cool dude on the Mac commericals isn't as cool as implied.

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:28pm PT
he's a fag.

oh- yeah, 95 bucks an hour in the field.........
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
Of course he is! Mac and VW have the same ad agency and the same demographics my man!

DMT
froodish

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:36pm PT
Repairing disk permissions when there is no indication that a permissions problem exists is pointless (although probably harmless.)

Gruber on the subject:

http://daringfireball.net/2006/04/repair_permissions_voodoo

Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
is that why VW engines are in the back?
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:38pm PT
Vrrooooommmmm!

DMT
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:39pm PT
i'm not gunna stand behind you on this one DMT....
skipt

Mountain climber
Washington
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
Hey Jaybro,

I'm ready.




Skip
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:42pm PT
That's good news Pate. Correction, GREAT news Pate.
DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:56pm PT
Pate,
can you say it in english?
Sounds like you understand the technical end but you're not building a bridge as much as mocking those that missed the ferry.
Kinda reminds me of the Mac tech guy that told me that my mac could teach me how to do stuff by going to mac help.

If I knew how to make my mac teach me I wouldn't need to be taught.
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