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Riotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, Arizona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 3, 2009 - 07:57am PT
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Know of any? Past or present?
A friend and I were discussing this, and I realized that I have almost never heard or read much discussion of this issue in the climbing community.
I know that if I learned that so and so's significant ascent was aided by steroids, I might be a little disappointed.
C'mon, let's hear the dirt . . .
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Maybe post this on Sports Illustrated or ESPN, you might get some traffic on it. I know of a lot of climbers on SED's(sports enhancement drugs)steroids are so passe. Back in the 70's and 80's "some" climbers did various drugs to get up rocks, does this count? I also know a lot of climbers on hemroids!
Peace
5am PST, you must be on roids, should be snoozin. Maybe look up some old data in Rock and Ice, I think I have some old copies that discussed steriods and such. We gonna delete all first ascents if you find out someone took em
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Gene
climber
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Guilty. I once had a cortisone shot in my shoulder.
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Anastasia
climber
Not here
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Most of us are hyperactive. We need to calm down! Reason why most of us are stoners. If you mix steroids with climbers they will turn into modern equipped Viking Raiders.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
Sprocketville
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State vs Stoner...State vs Stoner...Are you Stoner?
Ahhhh, yyaaaahhhhh, man.
Like I only did acid, like ... ten times man.
I mean once, man.
I get my blood changed before each season.
Keeps me from getting cold.
More iron. It's all about the iron.
Hans and the Hubers are JUICED man!
Look at the shrunken nut sacks.
Face like a jellyfish.
Barry Bonds face.
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RDB
Trad climber
Iss WA
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Knew one years ago but he was off the juice by the time he started climbing and no one thought much about it. Pretty obvious looking back now though.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Upper Fupa, North Dakota
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Oh yeah... there have been juicers, but I'm not going to go all Canseco on them.
Of course that was before steroids were illegal in climbing, and before Major League Climbing started checking for steroids.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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It is abundantly clear Norman Clyde was juicing.
Pretty sure about John Salathe too, carrots if I'm not mistaken.
Edit:
Oh yeah, Whillans too.
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Riotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
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I think Russ' response is the most revealing.
I knew it! Climbing's dirty little secret . . .
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Uh Russ juiced! All the signs and symptoms....what's that gonadotrophy thingamajig and gynomastoidism junk. Fess up Fish, isn't that when you went into the hard sport route era of yers?
Peace
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Riotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2009 - 04:34pm PT
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Maybe we need to institute the FNSFA (First Non-steroidal Free Ascent) for certain climbs . . . ?
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quartziteflight
climber
Who knows?
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Well.
If your over 45 most men can get test perscibed by a doctor. I think there are some anti-aging clincs that will get older men scripts for hgh also.
I've read about some of the sh#t juicing powerlifters and BBers take its pretty gross. HGH, and insulin, test..and a bunch of other sh#t. Still who cares? It's their body..
Its pretty commom for people in society to deem anyone who's musclar as juicing....which is just silly. Still I don't want to put that crap in my body. I prefer beer..
I know stalone admited to hgh use. Did that help him crank harder in cliffhanger..bwahh ha ha ha!
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Not me, I hear it shrinks your nutz...I need all those BIG PIECES when I climb!
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Mr_T
Trad climber
The 7th Pin Scar on Serentiy Crack
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I sure hope no climbers are trying the juice. This page has a pretty interesting somewhat medical approach to how it's done:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm
If you read through the bit on say Testosterone Suspension or Equipoise you'll realize how insanely dangerous these things are. Injecting yourself with horse growth hormones - what could possibly go wrong?
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Brock
Trad climber
RENO, NV
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I think many people on steroids have blown tendons/ligaments...Don't know the research on it.
I think caffeine has a better/cleaner effect...
Look at Tom Herbert M.D.'s past write up on enhancing products for climbers (not sure if it was Climbing or Rock & Ice).
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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Yeah, yeah, I use them. So what.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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you were just worried russ was gonna go all Canseco on you and out you. good job fessin' up
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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I knew a guy in Colorado who used them specifically to be a better climber. He put up a few noteworthy ascents in Eldorado, but was never one of the top climbers in the area though using steroids was his attempt to gain that status.
Bruce
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Larry
Trad climber
Bisbee
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Riotch > Maybe we need to institute the FNSFA (First Non-steroidal Free Ascent) for certain climbs . . . ?
Why do you think so many routes have asterisks by the name in the book?
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Riotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2009 - 10:17am PT
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OH! So, that's what those mean!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Steroids induced HISSY FITS on forums is a major side effect! Stay off this shit!
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this just in
climber
north fork
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People who keep talking about hissy fits are having one. Steriods, who gives a sh#t.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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3 year post bump for this subject? Really?
IMO there is a lot better content out there to resurrect.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Blood Doping, juicin ain't good for the Huevos.
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Rudbud
Gym climber
CA
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thanks for the bumps, any old guys got any stories.
Hey Vegas girl and this was in your in the wrong forum for hissy fits, roid rages are ok here though.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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3 year post bump for this subject? Really?
IMO there is a lot better content out there to resurrect.
Fact - being fat will kill you long before steroids ever will.
It's fascinating how performance enhancing drugs are viewed in our culture. If it makes you happy and you enjoy it do it, if test can make you achieve your dreams and you are being responsible the more power to you. What about people with rich parents, or a backyard gym, or a home campus board, or that live in Yosemite? There are no unfair advantages, just advantages and disadvantages. You take what ones you feel are appropriate for you and reserve judgement for the Christians. Be honest about your accomplishments, but have fun, man. We don't live forever.
I don't use those drugs but I can't say I would never. At this stage I am still young and recover normally (only 28), but if I want to be rad at 50 and I got cash I'd get TRT.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Be honest about your accomplishments
Well, that's the crux now isn't it?
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Steroids=big muscles=heavier body. Conclusion?
;>)
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thekidcormier
Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
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Do LSD slivers count as performance enhancing?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Fact - being fat will kill you long before steroids ever will.
Fact: You don't know WTF you're talking about.
Moderately overweight people actually survive some things (heart attacks, for instance) better than skinnier people. And there's this :
"scientists also found that people classified as overweight, with a BMI of 25 to 29.9, died at slightly lower rates — not higher — than those of so-called normal weight. And they found that those who were mildly obese, with a BMI of 30 to 34.9, died in no greater numbers than did their normal-weight peers."
"The finding, published online Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., pooled data from 97 studies encompassing adult men and women in the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan, Brazil, India and Mexico."
Meanwhile, steriods is known to cause a wide assortment of long term problems. Put down the dianabol and go get a cheeseburger, Davis.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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LSD is a performance enhancing drug.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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HGH is good for you. Isn't it?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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I would be surprised if some comp climbers in the 90's didn't use them.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Meanwhile, steriods is known to cause a wide assortment of long term problems. Put down the dianabol and go get a cheeseburger, Davis.
Yes, many long term problems. It can f*#k you up. Likely won't ever kill you, unless you kinda make it a goal.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Obese-people-at-29-higher-risk-of-premature-death/articleshow/17871603.cms
Being grossly overweight can kill you. A little chunky? All good, and kinda sexy sometimes. But let's get real - not as big a problem as many would persist. I know climbers that blew their shoulders out on a campus board, or got into crossfit and wreaked havoc on their body. For those people they were dangerous activities to be avoided, maybe if they had better instruction they would have used 'em correctly but alas... they are on the couch now.
Sorry, world isn't black and white. : /
Steroids - average of 3 deaths per year. Wanna stab at how many die from peanuts?
(edit - it was Stanzolol, and now I have big biceps!)
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Rudbud
Gym climber
CA
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There's a ton of super strong climbers these days but the really strong guys in the eighties look a little more muscular, were some of them doping?
Or was it just the difference in training. Either way the eighties rocked.
edit: I figured it out, It was the tube socks, short shorts, and tank tops that made them look so bad ass, not roids.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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During the 80s, Eduro training as an end-in-itself came into its own as a separate sub-sport. So people tortured themselves in a number of arenas outside of rock climbing itself. As a result people got more buffed out. Today, climbers train doing exercises that are more rock-climbing specific, like campusing, that make for better climbing athletes. But you're right, you don't get that old muscle beach Venice feeling in C4 as much as you used to do BITD when people seemed more inclined to use their fists in anger.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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There's a ton of super strong climbers these days but the really strong guys in the eighties look a little more muscular, were some of them doping?
1) mullets make you look more buffed.
2) doping isn't always to make you muscular
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bjj
climber
beyond the sun
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I am 44 and I take both "steroids" (technically it is "TRT" but they are one in the same) to raise my low testosterone levels from 290 (that of a 65 yr old) to about 900 (that of a 20 yr old) as well as HGH to help stimulate connective tissue healing and whatever other effects it has.
The effects have been very positive, without being superhuman or anything.
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