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Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Apr 8, 2009 - 03:44pm PT





I agree with you Papa !!!!
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Apr 8, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
Papajoto,


nature is out, I am organizing MeatFest. Hmmmmm, some juicy squirrel from Camp 4?



Jody's evil twin
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Apr 8, 2009 - 03:54pm PT
I second that Fishfinder....listen to the Papa and pull the trigger (fish) Nature. :D
Pennsylenvy

Big Wall climber
Memomma, Isle
Apr 8, 2009 - 03:59pm PT
Hate to say it, but the ranger interaction last year had more to do with belligerence than noise. Wells Fargo's party was one thousand times louder than the Facelift. Someone was rude with a ranger, they pow wowed and then came in full tool force the next day. More care with bear boxes was the issue with our camp (while overlooking the camp situation at Wells Fargo camp). It was a combo of being tooled and a poor response on a couple folks part in our camp. I don't know of a solution, but I picked up trash the past two years, and if I have to be on my best behavior at night it doesn't sound too appealing. Maybe we can have a separate camp for those of us that want to have a good time maybe central valley somewhere, and one for those that have to get to bed by 7:30. See U there Bluey!
MisterE

Trad climber
One Step Beyond!
Apr 8, 2009 - 06:01pm PT
Fatty:

Perlon before swine?
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Apr 8, 2009 - 09:16pm PT
I guess it is about time I chimed in.

First of all, we will have a Facelift this year and it is being planned right now. It has turned out to be a great event and I want to thank everyone for making it so. I have had the opportunity to meet so many great people doing this and you all are awesome!

I never thought it would get so big! I started this thing for two reasons. One was to clean up the Park as I felt it was being taken for granted and was being abused. I have received feedback from regular visitors and seen it for myself, the Park is getting cleaner. The other reason was to improve climber relations and climber reputations amongst NPS, DNC, Park visitors and others. For years we have had a bad rap some of it justified but a lot of it not. This reputation has changed and I hope we can continue to improve it. At a meeting the other day, the Chief Ranger attributed the Facelift to partially lowering arrests from 900+ a year to 250+ a year. So, the Facelift is working!

NPS is and has been very supportive. They offer logistic support, free entrance to the park and free camping. They like it.

I am sure that every successful event organizer has had its share of problems and I am sure mine are nothing compared to others. There were some that bothered me last year. It only takes a few people to people to reflect on a lot of others.

A huge CCC group stayed in Yellow Pines at the start of the Facelift last year and they were noisy. They were there at the request of our Governor and perhaps had special treatment and I know many of you that were there that first night had to help clean up afterwards. They were noisy, had fun and enjoyed themselves just like we did, I canít blame them. Unfortunately it alerted NPS to the normally quiet Yellow Pines and brought scrutiny on the rest of the Facelift.

During one of the evening programs, many cases of the wine I had donated by a sponsor and the banners I had made up were stolen. The wine I replaced by buying more but it did put my sponsor representative on the spot with his employer. The banners will have to be replaced for this year and it is not the money but the fact it is hard to find a manufacturer that can do a good job on our logo.

The thing that bothered me the most is that on Friday night when our reserved sites were full, some people who pretended to be associated with the Facelift were looking for free camping and finding our sites full ran into the Wells Fargo campers further in who had reserved their site for volunteer work too. The Wells Fargo people offered them a place to stay for the night. These people stayed up extremely late keeping the Fargo people up later than they wanted. The next night the Wells Fargo people asked them to leave and camp somewhere else. They left, but not before breaking off the hood ornaments and antennas of the Wells Fargo peopleís cars. That was very hard for me to deal with last year and was extremely embarrassing for me.

I am committed to keep this thing going and the NPS is too. I am going to make some adjustments to alleviate possible problems. I am going to spread out the camping. Tamarack Flat is available for the late night people. Music can be played, have fun and no one will be bothered. Crane Flat site is available though there will be other campers. Yellow Pines is available for 50 people and consideration for others should be observed. I will elect our own Campground Hosts to help make sure things go smoothly. Of course some Camp 4 sites are available too.

Please respect the Park, the wildlife and other visitors. Letís have fun and do the Park some good.

Let me know what you think or if you have other possible solutions. We are victims of our own success and need to deal with the ever changing challenges.

I am looking forward to this yearís Facelift and you can email me with your site preferences and I will make arrangements once I have everything worked out. I am putting requests in a Facelift folder and first to contact me gets served first. I hope you all can make it and wish Nature could too! I will miss the Sushi. Thank you all!

Ken
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Apr 8, 2009 - 09:27pm PT



Count me in Ken

I am willing to help with whatever you need.

What a blast last year.

email sent.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Apr 8, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
I would not miss FL for anything. I loved Yellow Pine. I know nothing about Tamarac Flat. Can anyone fill me in ? Peace, lynne
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Apr 8, 2009 - 10:00pm PT
Wow... I didn't realize a lot of those things happened last year. That's not right.

I'm going to miss being there. It's a privilege and wish I could make it.

It's just on so many different levels it doesn't work out for me to do it. It's a sacrifice I can't make this year (I took 7 days vacation time to be there last year - I have none to take at this point but there's more to the story....). Maybe next year?
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Apr 8, 2009 - 10:02pm PT
I hope so Nature. We will miss you this year and will be missing you.

Ken
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Apr 8, 2009 - 10:34pm PT
MMMMM!

Crab , Shrimp, Tuna and so much more.

You really made it special Doug!

For those who havent experienced it....stepping up to a fully lit pro style Sushi Bar
in the middle of the woods , in the middle of the Valley was a rare treat!

It also didnt hurt to also be fully lit.

Mr E brought the Silver Patron , Radical (where has that guy been?) brought the Mandarin Absolut , Fattrad brought some good wines I was sporting JW Pure Malt and there was just to much to mention. BUZZZZZZZZ

Good Food, Good Music , Good Times !

Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2009 - 02:52pm PT
Thanks, Ken! That's a pretty clear report, and should help people with planning.

Assuming that it's reasonably quiet, at least during 'official' quiet hours, I'd like to stay at Yellow Pines this year. (It can't be any noisier than Camp 4.) It would be a nice change. As with the last two years, I can arrive a few days ahead, to help with whatever you need help with. (Keeping jstan away from his litter stick until the official start, maybe...he's always champing at the bit.) I was thinking of arriving on the Sunday before, the 20th.

Of course, I'm willing to help in any way that would be useful. I can even do litter stick repair and maintenance. Possibly Ed will trust me to keep the projector centred on the screen. Whatever.

Edit: Found near the bottom of page 3.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Apr 9, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
Yeah, well I'm cooking up ideas for MeatFest, should be a rip roaring good time with baked beans.



Jody's evil twin
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 9, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
Wow. Real bummer about stuff that happened last year, Ken. It only takes a few to f*#k it up for everyone else. Hopefully those few can't make it this year.

I heard similar (but much worse) things are what changed the RRR this year. No one, not even those of us involved with teaching the clinics, were allowed to camp at the actual event location this year. Sad. It pretty much sucked, for everyone, to have to camp in the middle of a dust storm, thanks to some as#@&%es from last year.

"rip roaring good time with baked beans."
Pardon the pun, right, Fatty?
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Apr 9, 2009 - 04:54pm PT
ChickieMan. . . I'll be a CampHost. . . uhhhhhhh.. . sorta gotta a lotta experience along those lines. . . . if ya know what I mean.

I'd prefer to be in YellowPine - for the ease of bikin' around. (will NOT have an RV this time. . . will just be tenting it out of the SoccerMomUnit)

Tamarack doesn't bum my trip, really. . . but ten to one you don't need a CampHost out there. . . since it's SO OUT THERE.

I am absolutely FLABBERGASTED to learn of the heinous acts you reported in your last post. . . makes me sorta pissy.

I hate that kinda stuff.

And. . . Lynne. . . Tamarack is up on 120 (the road we drove to pick up trash in the meadows). . . it's not far from the intersection at Crane Flat where we got gas. Admittedly, I've been out of the NPS loop for a while, but I thought Tamarack was fully CLOSED to the public now. . . and if that's the case it will be the PARTIER'S camp. . . but. . . it's frikken far from the Valley. . . maybe there can be a sign in area up there and those campers can pick up trash along 120?

?

Nonetheless, ChickieMan. . . I'm there for ya. . . don't get me wrong, I had a BLAST pickin' up trash with Lynne, Hap and Buggs . . . but my true skills weren't put to their best use.

Keep me in mind.

oxox

eKat


Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Apr 9, 2009 - 05:03pm PT
Tamarack is out in the boonies. I can get the whole 50 + site Campground. I got it for overflow and because no one will bother anyone out there as long as we don't leave food and garbage out. It makes sense to have a supply station there and to focus on roadways as it is central for three of them. Still working out the details.

Ken
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Apr 9, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
We plan on being there this year as well. However, we won't be able to stay as long and will probably have to fly in and rent a car due to work. BLECK! Our hope is to stay at Yellow Pines.

Ken - sorry about the b.s. that you had to deal with last year. Uncool.
t*r

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2009 - 05:10pm PT
for a sec i thought skinner wrote, "tamarack is out in the brownies"
Blinny

Trad climber
JustKathNotMark
Apr 9, 2009 - 05:15pm PT
OK, ChickieMan. . . maybe I can head up your Tamarack Station?

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Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 9, 2009 - 05:15pm PT
of course you did, t*r. :) I have wishful thinking about brownies too!
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