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Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 27, 2009 - 04:43pm PT

Ok.... got a cable modem with a linksys wireless router blah blah blah......

All Macs all the time. Wireless, ethernet, guests, all just hook up and work with no effort. Now I need to hook up a POS PC to this network via ethernet. Got the cable, got the slot on the router, plug it into the PC..... a light flashes on the port on the PC.... packets are being sent and received. It says I am hooked up. But, I'm not. All browser efforts end with a page not found generic error.

Facts:
it is not a case of turning on and off the modem, router, PC, hub etc. All have had many restarts.

PC is a fairly modern one with XP, not the albatross of Vista.

Cable is good as it will launch any internet page on yet another Mac at will.

Have crawled around in the PC control panel and whatever their version of Network Tools is... hit "repair" a few dozen times..... removed any password protection, and firewalls. Clicked on all boxes that said "automatically configure" for type of connection.

Have plugged the POS PC directly into the cable modem, bypassing all routers and BS. Same story.

PC is working fine and it is not a hardware issue. This scenario has played out on 3 PC's so far.

Gawd! the PC experience is unelegant.

Used the extremely lame "wizard" that for the most part don't know 'nuthin.

Any ideas? Are there any PC guys left on this board? Even Obama uses a Mac......

nature

climber

Tucson, AZ

Feb 27, 2009 - 04:47pm PT

email my mom and ask...

oh wait... don't do that. She just switched to a Mac (after 15+ years on a PC) and is a much happier camper

Even Obama.....

Bwwwhahahahahaha.... gud one.

froodish

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 27, 2009 - 04:51pm PT

First thing...

Open up a Command Prompt window

Start -> Run
type: 'cmd' (without the quotes) into the box, hit return

Once the Command Prompt window is up, type this at the prompt:

ipconfig -all

Then hit return. Let us know what it spits out.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 04:55pm PT

I did that and it erased everything on the hard drive...... Man! I got TROLLED!!!!!

WBraun

climber

Feb 27, 2009 - 04:57pm PT

Russ

Make sure your Default Gateway of your router is set correctly.

Static your PC network address and your gateway to your PC/Mac and don't use DCHP for that connection.

Example:

IP address 192.168.1.57

Subnet mask 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway 192.168.1.254

Preferred DNS can be 192.168.1.254 also

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 04:59pm PT

here is what it said:

Ethernet adapter local area connection:

connect specific DNS suffix: dc.rr.com (roadrunner is my provider)
ip address: 192.168.1.104 (router is 192.168.1.1 by default)
subnet: 255.255.255.0
default gateway: 192.168.1.1

it is a DCHP connection as far as I know

WBraun

climber

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:01pm PT

OK

Is your router assigning a dynamic ip address?

If so give your pc a static address as I've given above.

Again STATIC address your PC/MAC computer and see if it's resolved.

Also try and change the Preferred DNS to 192.168.1.1 to see if that resolves the gateway from not coming thru.

froodish

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:04pm PT

No DNS server listed in the output? That's probably the issue.

I'd try to ping an ip address next, in the command window, try this (74.125.19.103 is one of google's machines):

ping 74.125.19.103

If that succeeds, the DNS is the issue.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber

Fresno

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:14pm PT

It would also be helpful to know if you can see the other workstations on your network. As others have said, based on what you've posted, this seems to be a DNS issue. As Werner stated, set your PC to a static IP and your DG (Default Gateway) and DNS to 192.168.1.1

You're not having a PC issue, dude. You're having a network issue. hahaha

nature

climber

Tucson, AZ

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:15pm PT

IF no DNS is the issue then Russ should be able to use, for instance - 72.249.127.27 in a IE window and it'll open the Sound Solution site - black background.

But Werner is probably right...

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 05:22pm PT

it is asking for the Static DNS1. What should I put i there and then how long before the 6 macs on this network find out somebody stole their bone?

pip the dog

Mountain climber

planet dogboy

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:30pm PT

Russ,

Do like froodish recommends. froodish knows his/her shite. From a DOS prompt (“Command Window”) type

C:> ipconfig all

And post up the output.

This is precisely what a real water cooled brain actual geek would do. And with that output, such a stud geek as froodish will know precisely what is amiss and how to fix it. Follow froodish, Mien Fuhrer! Ack! I can valk!….
~~~

Just for laughs, I’m going to guess that froodish will walk you through [Settings] [Control Panel] – then perhaps to either [Add Hardware] or [Network Setup] if your PC hasn’t yet been told it has a WiFi NIC (wireless network card) – or perhaps directly into [Internet Options] [Connections] and [LAN Settings] wherein you can convince your moron PC (all PC’s are morons) where to look for “mommy’s teat”.

Just wondering if what I once knew is still valid. For as you quick found out, I once prostituted myself in this venue, among all the others. Anything for a buck, to soon convert into endless Nrupees and be outta here – and off to ‘there’.

I’ve since walked away from that all that madness. I was never especially interested in it, and it showed, and the suits noticed. My new madness is writing things like the autobiography (sic) of a guy who had been dead for a year and I never met (my last gig); and now singing the praises of an outfit that makes toilet paper, tampons, and disposable diapers (my current gig). I am _such_ a whore.
~~~

So, anyway, follow froodish, General Ripper. And remember the essential code: OPE. That and avoid tap water and the commie plot of fluoridation (“Children’s ice cream, Mandrake, children’s ice cream!”)

Stick with the grain alcohol and branch water. And if that doesn’t work, nuke them all back into the stone age!
~~~

“There I was Jack, feeding you, feeding you…”

Yours always,

Mandrake

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 05:30pm PT

PIP: posted that at the prompt thing up thread....

yeeeeessssss Jack.....

StevenJ

Trad climber

Mill Valley CA

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:35pm PT

Hi Russ,

Your ISP can provide you with the DNS address.

You can also try one from this site.

http://theos.in/windows-xp/free-fast-public-dns-server-list/

Looks like you've got everything else in place.

Cheers

sj

WBraun

climber

Feb 27, 2009 - 05:36pm PT

Russ

Static the PC not the router !!!!!!!!!

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 05:44pm PT

The towel has been tossed in.... Neff.... bring the Boxer down and you guys can fix it. I got's to get back to work.

Thanks anyway....

WBraun

climber

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:06pm PT

So now we have a failed rescue attempt of network.

Rokjox is now up for 300 post analysis and critique.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:12pm PT

never leave a man behind!

geez, where's Rocky when ya need him.

stevep

Boulder climber

Salt Lake, UT

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:12pm PT

Does the router have some sort of MAC address filtration that is preventing the PC from seeing the modem?
That would account for packets being exchanged, but no access to the internet.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 06:35pm PT

Rokjax is probably out skinning a wolf or something.

OK... are PC's more forgiving on all that static IP crap and the rest of the hoops if they try to connect via wireless? Like in if I popped a wireless deal-e-o into the asss end of that machine, would it just link the fuk up already?

ALL I WANT TO DO IS SEE A GOT-DAMN WEB PAGE LIKE THE REST OF YOU GUYS IN PC LAND. ONE WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE THING. BILL GATES IS GETTING NO REACH-AROUND FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111999999

froodish

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:50pm PT

Russ, you're pretty close and, no, wireless won't be any easier.

Open up the command prompt and try and ping this ip address:

ping 74.125.19.103

If that's successful then the only hitch is the DNS settings.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 06:54pm PT

REQUEST TIMED OUT

REQUEST TIMED OUT

REQUEST TIMED OUT

PACKETS SENT: 4

RECEIVED: 0

LOST: 4 (100%)

goatboy smellz

climber

dirty south

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:55pm PT

Have you tried blowing into the USB port while stroking the O button?

rectorsquid

climber

Lake Tahoe

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:55pm PT

Russ, I hate to be unsympathetic but if you screwed up your macs like you screwed up your PC, they would not work either :-)

JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber

Stoney Point

Feb 27, 2009 - 06:56pm PT

I just hacked into the Fish Machine, what's the deal with all the porn?

Juan

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 06:58pm PT

ummmm...yeah... right.

I now know why the suicide rate is so high among PC users.

Fish Finder

Social climber

THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Feb 27, 2009 - 07:05pm PT

Mussy.... WTF ..... PC ?

Your Fu@ked Queso.

froodish

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 27, 2009 - 07:05pm PT

OK, so it's something beyond the DNS.

So, for ease of getting to the settings, let's change something before staring...

Right-click on the Start Menu button, select "Properties"

Click the "Customize" button

Select the "Advanced" tab.

In the scrolling box in the middle, scroll down until you can see the "Network Connections" section, select the "Link to Network Connections Folder" radio button:

Click "OK" to dismiss the Customize dialog, Click OK again to dismiss the Start Menu properties dialog.

Now: Start->Network Connections

You'll see a folder with the network connections listed. You probably only have one, should say "Local Area Connection"

Right click on that and select properties.

In the resulting dialog, scroll down the center section until you see the "Internet Protocol(TCP/IP) entry.

Select it and click the "Properties" button:

You should have the radio buttons ticked as shown in the right-hand part of that image ("...automatically")

If "...automatically" isn't selected, tick those radio buttons, click "OK" to dismuss the TCP/IP properties, then "OK" again to dismuss the Connection Properties.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber

Fresno

Feb 27, 2009 - 07:07pm PT

So, what you posted above is your router configuration, Russ. Don't change anything in there. That is working fine, or your macs wouldn't be online.

Your network (Local Area Network), regardless of Mac or PC is 192.168.1.0. This means that all of your workstations need to have an IP address starting with 192.168.1 (ie: 192.168.1.4, 192.168.5, etc.) and the default gateway (your router address)should be 192.168.1.1. As well, your subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0 your DNS should point to this 192.168.1.1 address.

So, what Werner is saying is to go into the network properties of your PC (right-click Network Places icon, select Properties, double-click the icon for your network connection). Open the properties for TCP/IP (Click the Properties button, double-click on Internet Protocol TCP/IP) and select "Use the following address:"

In there, enter 192.168.1.20 under IP Address
255.255.255.0 for Subnet Mask
192.168.1.1 for Default Gateway

Also enter 192.168.1.1 for DNS1.

If everything else is working, you should be up and running after that.

Call me if you're still having issues.

Edit: If you go with the above (froodish) route and select to attempt to get your addresses from DHCP, in your CMD Prompt type in ipconfig /release and then ipconfig/renew after you set it to "Automatically obtain settings". This will attempt to hit the router and renew your IP Lease and get a new address from the router. In XP, this can get boogered up though, thus Werner is asking you to set it manually.

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 07:20pm PT

All that made total sense. I am now tasting the blue gray metal and preparing to pull the trigger. The cold steel clacking on my teeth may be the last sensation I feel.......

set me free! set me free! Please Satan, release me to the Netherworld!!!!!!!1111666

(besides that... I've pumped in the numbers above and there is still no action)

monolith

Trad climber

Berkeley

Feb 27, 2009 - 07:25pm PT

I had similar problems a few days ago with a cable modem.

Don't know why, but the solution was to unplug power from the cable modem, pull out it's battery, put back, replug.

Also, it may help to remove the router, till you at least get the pc working directly off the cable modem.

froodish

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 27, 2009 - 07:25pm PT

This PC isn't running some 3rd party firewall (McAfee, Norton, etc.) by any chance is it?

As a last resort, you could remove the device (network card) from the Device Manager, reboot the machine and let Windows reconfigure things - that usually will do the trick, but I'd only do that if it was common hardware that Windows would have drivers built in for. When you got the Properties on the Local Area Connection, what did it list the hardware as?

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 07:40pm PT

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

It might be working!

I deselected some dumb assss checkbox that was something like "use proxy server for LAN settings"

Thanks to you all!

Watch out! Next week I'm going to try and hook up a PRINTER!!!!!!!!!

WBraun

climber

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:01pm PT

Proxy fukup ... Yeah that'll do it. Heh heh

Anyways a computer that's always connected to the router at home should be static addressed.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber

sorry, just posting out loud.

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:04pm PT

is POS point of sale, or piece of sh#t?

scuffy b

climber

just below the San Andreas

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:17pm PT

I think observing this process from a perspective of total
ignorance made it even more exciting.

YMMV

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, Ca.

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:23pm PT

only pinko potheads use Macs, Russ...just so ya know. PC's are much more challenging and 'thought provoking'.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:39pm PT

Russ - LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!1111666

The ol' proxy settings will get you every time:

I used to do this as part of how to tether laptop to the iPhone - a real PITA compare to how simple it is now (PdaNet)...

Robb

Social climber

It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!

Feb 27, 2009 - 08:41pm PT

Russ
Went through something similar myself last month w/ my new Linksys. Call linksys tech help & they'll walk you through it - takes about 15 to 45 minutes.
Robb

Ricky D

Trad climber

Sierra Westside

Feb 27, 2009 - 09:02pm PT

Your router wouldn't happen to be set to deny access to computers whose MAC addresses aren't listed in it's "allow" field?

Jaybro

Social climber

wuz real!

Feb 27, 2009 - 09:30pm PT

Throw it away and save yourself infinite hassle. no good will come of this, wasn't that other semi dismantled PC on the network?

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber

valley center, ca

Feb 27, 2009 - 09:42pm PT

Well, that was Quite the Drama ! Better than any soap I Never watch.

Do guys ever call the people that are supposed to deliver and ask for help? That's what I did last time and I had it fixed next day. Yikes ! :)

climber

East of Seattle

Feb 27, 2009 - 09:59pm PT

This thread makes me sad ;(

pc

BTW The decline again of Apple has begun. They'll bring in some ex CEO of Pepsi or something and trash the joint...

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 10:01pm PT

The Taco always delivers.....

Next day!!!! pfffft! I'm losing $5000 bucks an hour not having that machine up and running. Taco style had it up in under an hour.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber

valley center, ca

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:07pm PT

All those posts and only an hour....I am seriously impressed. Guess the "guy ethernet waves" rule. :D

OBTW, jess what do yo do for $5000 an hour, LOL? (I'm lucky I have a very sanitary imagination.) :))

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2009 - 10:36pm PT

I gots mad skills yo

ß Î Ø T Ç H

climber

O a k t o w n

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:36pm PT

For the record - I got good tech support from Linksys over the phone when I hooked up my router . That might have been better for you .

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber

valley center, ca

Feb 27, 2009 - 10:45pm PT

hahahahahah! But not in the tech realm. :) Yo be in when pc's need an off wydth wyde talent. Pro right aroung the "corner".

pip the dog

Mountain climber

planet dogboy

Feb 27, 2009 - 11:10pm PT

Russ,
Re:
> ONE WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE THING.
> BILL GATES IS GETTING NO REACH-AROUND FROM ME!

Anyone functional (and male) who has seen Gates, even if just on the television machine, would recognize, that that twitchy endless adolescent has yet to figure out even how to give himself a reach-around.

I interviewed him once, in the early 90’s for a geekish magazine. The first thought that went through my head when I met him was “This dude _really_ needs to get laid – at least once.”

He was surrounded by a flock of ‘handlers’. I was supposed to be asking him about the release of an early version of ‘Visual Basic’ – a language I personally despised. He was at the time hawking it as OOP (‘Object Oriented Programming). Hooey! It remains the lamest of the old school procedural languages, albeit it buried in gewgaws. Friends who worked for him told me that he clung to it so because BASIC was the only language he had ever actually figured out.

So he just sits there all twitchy and looking like Mad Magazine's mascot, Alfred E. Neuman. That and just prattling off crap direct from the marketing package on this “revolutionary new version of VB.” In all, a waste of time for both of us.

At one point I got so bored and pissed that I broke the rules his handlers had drilled into me before my precious 9 minutes with the guy – I asked a question on something other than the new version of VB. I asked “Mr. Gates, the newest version of (server) Windows is being advertised as ‘a true 32 bit O/S – but it still has that lame 16 bit old code at it’s very core. When will there be a truly 32 bit Windows O/S?”

At this instant, all five of his handlers looked at their watches in unison and said rather forcefully “Times up! Mr. Gates has many other commitments” and with that the wad of them (and Gates) up and vanished.
~~~

It is odd that most Americans – hell, most on the planet – still cling to this idea that Microswell itself solely rocketed in the persona; computer machine revolution. But all of my really with-it geek pals, and even me, recognize that his outfit actually held up the maturation of the PC back by at least a decade. For all they cared about was killing off the competition and banking all the cash. (Think Netscape, among other steps forward that he/they squashed).
~~~

I’ll say this for the guy, having witnessed him up close. He’s a third rate geek – but you can just smell the carnivore hunger in him on the business front. I’d never want to duke it out with him on a business to business front, there’d be blood everywhere – mine.

By similar anti-chance I once sat through lunch with Warren Buffet (the senior partner of an outfit I once worked for was a personal friend of his and invited me to join them for lunch after some suit gig – I said nothing, but listened hard). Buffet is the opposite of Gates. A polite sweet guy with no ego I could discern. Like the cool old guy who lives down the street. Both he and Gates are now in their own galaxy of those worth bazillions. One of them is a class act who truly earned his money – yet never much cared about his account balance.
~~~

A final thought. You might consider doing what the BORG (the Peoples Republic of China) has chosen to do and make policy – use Linux. It’s free and at present has all of the stuff one actually needs (also free). That and there are effectively no Linux based viruses, worms, malware, or the like. It does take a bit of homework to get all of the Linux O/S and apps together, but outfits like Red Hat have made this rather easy. It struck me that Gate’s retirement came within a couple weeks of the PRC blowing him and his product off…

The only reason I endure Windoze is that my bonehead clients demand it. I’d be much happier with Linux – or the current Mac O/S (with ver X it became so unix like it tastes like Linux too).

Well, enough already. More than enough, as is my fate.

An infinite number of monkeys will eventually type all of Shakespeare. Hell, even just one monkey could do it, given an infinite amount of time. It’s the ‘infinite’ part that is the trick. A trick I rely on in my posts as well. Sheeesh.

“WE MUST PREVENT THE MIND SHAFT (gap)!”

^,,^

Russ Walling

Social climber

Upper Fupa, North Dakota

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2009 - 01:58am PT

"I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed......"

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber

valley center, ca

Feb 28, 2009 - 02:21am PT

jess tryin' to inject some levity....hair mussed, mussey, what say yeah, yo is this where the infamous mussey word sprang forth from ?

And what about levity...Levitt...another connection ? (I kinda know the levitattor so I can kid about it abit, right RL ? Hopefully ? )

Hey, Must keep working through the tough stuff and keep life in the fun and light realm. Thanks for yo in helping make this happen. And if it's ever tough for you, we be here. Lynne

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Feb 28, 2009 - 03:00am PT

Don't kid yourself, all computers suck ASSSS - and I say that as someone who writes software for a living...

Tom

Big Wall climber

San Luis Obispo CA

Feb 28, 2009 - 03:55am PT

A MAC is like Fannie's Pantry, and a PC is like Bishop's Terrace.

The Pantry is easy, and anybody can understand it.

The Terrace is harder, and leads to even more difficult understanding.