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MH2
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 24, 2009 - 08:10pm PT
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The Art of Suffering
Chopin
Śmingus Dyngus
Films by Marek Klonowski
okay, not quite all climbing-related, but appreciation-worthy
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Euroford
Trad climber
chicago
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Feb 24, 2009 - 08:46pm PT
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on a climbing related note... the polish speaking dudes that show up at devils lake are quite frequently just bold as all getout. sometimes recklessly so. sometimes i'm seriously impressed.
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
Vacaville Ca,
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Feb 24, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
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Polish and proud!
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Place or Another
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Feb 24, 2009 - 09:55pm PT
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Bump for potato vodka and my friend, Polish Bob!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:00pm PT
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James A. Michener's "Poland" was one of his best books written, IMHO.
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rockermike
Mountain climber
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:06pm PT
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hey, can you put some footnotes for us idiots; I don't catch any of your references.
I searched for famous Poles; only three I've heard of , Chopin, Conrad, and the ex pope.
I have known a few very pretty Polish women. ha
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
Vacaville Ca,
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:06pm PT
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OKRZYKI!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:11pm PT
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rockermike, read the history of the entire people. I think Michener captured it well. An incredible nation that did their best and fought hard.
Know many of yo hate the religious stuff, and I am not into organized religion but, wasn't one of the more recent and good catholic popes from Poland ? Was it Pope John ? lrl
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Fletcher
Trad climber
here to eternity
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
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How about Copernicus?
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:43pm PT
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Maiden name; Andrea Tomaszewski;......those Polish Catholic Eastern bloc chicks RULE!.....I married one.......
Andrea Gordon
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:47pm PT
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I rest my case : DD And she has the (can I say) nads to raise Todd, Beck and the tweens. :DD Jess jokin' Mr. Gordo.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:54pm PT
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hey there... say, back when i was studying languages... i always like writing the polish words... there long... and then i'd see how the cyrillic languages, had symbols for those very same sounds, so you wouldn't have to write them all out...
course, the cyrillic alphabet languages, have there OWN long words, so i reckon its a draw... :)
fun printed matter, though.... :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 24, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
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hey there todd... say:
wow, thanks for the family history note... :)
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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can you put some footnotes
1. Kinga Baranowska - interviewed in a movie I saw Sunday.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
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Feb 24, 2009 - 11:54pm PT
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Growing up in Chicago I'm 'down' with Polaks; got a great sister-in-law for one. In my numerous dealings with russkies I have tried to explain amerrycans' penchant for polak jokes. This was completely beyond their ken as polaks represent all that is progressive and cool.
Slava Polakami!
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Fletcher
Trad climber
here to eternity
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Feb 25, 2009 - 12:46am PT
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And then there's Marie Skłodowska Curie.
Lot's of poles in Fletch's family.
Fletch
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Fletcher
Trad climber
here to eternity
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Feb 25, 2009 - 12:49am PT
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Back to climbing related: Wanda Rutkiewicz... hello!
Fletch
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2009 - 03:52am PT
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Euroford
bold like Pete Cleveland in the Needles or Tommy Deutschler leading Gill's Nose?
MrE
Polish Bob, for sure
Lynne
I read a large part of "Poland". They got attacked from north, south, east, and west, more than once, and I never even got to WWI. Does Poland hold some kind of record as a battleground?
Salamanizer
A Polish friend translates OKRZYKI! as "scream"?
Todd
I'll just shut up and appreciate.
neebee
I am told that spelling is simple for Poles whereas pronounciation is damned hard for non-natives.
Reilly
I wonder if this connects with the Poles at Devil's Lake
kunlun_shan
a good read
a selection (author Mark Synott):
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One time, Jan was heading up to climb a route on the Great Tower when he realized that several rangers were hot on his trail. The rangers, suspecting it was Muscat, called in for backup. Muscat was soon surrounded by 17 rangers carrying guns and walky talkies. But when they closed the noose, Muscat, and his dog, had vanished. To this day the rangers still can't figure out how he got away.
I've climbed with a lot of different people over the years, but I don't think I've ever met anyone with a greater passion for the sport than Jan Muscat.
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Fletch
Vanda Root-key-a-vitch: unstoppable
She was the center of the film on Polish Women Mountaineers, in which Kinga also appeared.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Feb 25, 2009 - 12:53pm PT
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Climbing related...
Gory Magazine. The way climbing magazines SHOULD be!
Think: Ascent, Mountain, Alpinist... And soon... it will be here!
What do I mean?
Well, just ask!
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2009 - 05:37pm PT
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The Long Walk
Slavomir Rawicz
"It's true, even if it didn't happen."
(a quote, I think, from a Vulgarian Digest)
But Oplopanax found a curious reference in it whose significance now the author could not have foreseen when writing the book.
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Feb 25, 2009 - 06:49pm PT
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yes - a watch made by NHL superstar Pavel Bure's grandfather appears with a tribe of Mongolian nomads that save the wandering Poles from starvation.
in the spirit of B. Blanchard's "it doesn't have to be fun to be fun" we could also say "It doesn't have to be true to be true".
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marysia
climber
Warsaw, PL
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hah! What a nice topic :)
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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IM A POLOCK!....maybe thats whats wrong with me
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2009 - 12:53am PT
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http://szukalski.com/bio.html
A stunning contribution.
Smingus-Dingus: A Polish custom on the Monday after Easter when boys toss buckets of water at girls
Tatry
goodness
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 11, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
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This Monday, gentlemen.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Apr 11, 2009 - 10:18pm PT
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One-quarter Polish checking in proudly.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Apr 11, 2009 - 10:20pm PT
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OMG--I am too, Crimpster!
And we can't forget our buddie, Philo. . .
Please come back Phil!!!!
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marysia
climber
Warsaw, PL
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May 21, 2009 - 05:25am PT
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Tatry-one of the best places in the world! :)
Wedel, Kukułka and "Śliwka w czekoladzie"...mmmmmm.....:))))you must try them :)
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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May 21, 2009 - 08:37am PT
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Polska Solidarnosc!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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May 21, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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I am sure a lot of folks are unaware that the previous Pope was a climber and avid outdoorsman. One sure way he was able to organize resistance to both German and Russian occupation was to take youth groups into the incredible Polish mountains.
A truly remarkable man!
And if you want to learn of another Polish hero google King Jan Sobieski.
I would so love to take another trip there.
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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May 21, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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Poland is one of the most beautiful countries I've ever been to. Beautiful!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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May 22, 2009 - 08:53am PT
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I have two words...Martyna Wojciechowska.
Journalist, Playboy model cover girl, speed bike racer and Everest summiter.
Makes me appreciate Poland all the more!
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marysia
climber
Warsaw, PL
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May 23, 2009 - 08:09am PT
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Yes, you're right. The previuos Pope, Jan Paweł II, was great amateur of Tatra Mountains. I guess he made all Tatra's tracks. He also was a good skier.
What about Jerzy Kukuczka, Wanda Rutkiewicz, Kinga Baranowska and many many others Polish climbers? Try to google them. You will be impressed :)
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2009 - 11:24pm PT
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For many years Poland had but a single foreign correspondent.
He used his opportunity well.
I've only read The Soccer War, Travels with Herodotus, and parts of The Imperium. They are fascinating. It is a miracle that he lived to the age of 73.
Ryszard Kapuściński
http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/os_kapuscinski_ryszard
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WBraun
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May 23, 2009 - 11:29pm PT
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The pollacks are some of the toughest mo'fukers around.
You can hit em hard and they're still standing there looking at you with that WTF look.
By then you better be ready ......
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bachar
Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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May 24, 2009 - 09:04am PT
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Hello to all my friends in Krakow and at Gory!
Thanks for the hospitality at the film festival.
May you all climb strong and live healthy...
See ya' at the crags, JB
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Anejo
Ice climber
Yukon
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Jul 22, 2009 - 08:52am PT
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Voytek Kurtyka,Krzysztof Wielicki,Jerzy Kukuczka ... and firstly Wanda Rutkiewicz. Just a few polish world class clmbers, that made difference in Himalayas and else-where.How about winter in Himalayas?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 22, 2009 - 11:17am PT
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Well, add me to the Poleruja cale gwiazdy!
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2009 - 04:18pm PT
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Anejo: How about winter in Himalayas?
First winter ascent of Everest
Last I heard Poland accounts for all winter ascents of 8000 meter peaks.
The Free Tibet expedition to Mount Logan sits comfortably in a proud tradition of difficult climbs done with high spirits, virtuosic cursing, and of course, vodka!
I only wish the DVD of the actual expedition would turn up somewhere. It's great.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 22, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
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MH2 is that you with the Man himself?
What an honor to be sure.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 22, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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K2 may not have been climbed in winter yet, by anyone.
Edit: Wikipedia says "Despite many tries there has been no successful ascent during the winter."
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jul 22, 2009 - 07:15pm PT
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• 2003 winter ascent - by Krzysztof Wielicki and Gia Tortladze
Doesn't that count?
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Iron Mtn.
Trad climber
Corona, Ca.
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Jul 22, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
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Jerzy Kukuczka
Wanda Rutkiewicz
Nuff Said....
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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MH2 is that you with the Man himself?
What an honor to be sure.
I'm a lucky guy.
Although I was on a pee break during the best part of the evening, according to my 2 lovely escorts, when he gave a volley of the vernacular. It would have missed me, being in Polish, but I would have loved to watch them laugh.
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BeeHay
Trad climber
San Diego CA
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Jul 23, 2009 - 01:15am PT
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I never climbed with any Poles. I tried drinking with a couple in Chamonix, but that's all I remember....
What did the Polish Bride get on her wedding night that was long and hard?
A new last name.
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diablo
Trad climber
sd,ca
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Jul 23, 2009 - 02:06am PT
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haaa, bee hay you the funny.
I kinda remember that one night in Cham, I remember they pulled out a box of stuff that you thought was "paint stripper".
The two day bus ride back to england following that party had to have been the worst H.O. ever. Those dudes could party like no other, my heros.
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Send
Boulder climber
Three Rivers, California
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Oct 12, 2009 - 10:51am PT
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Im 1/2 Pole.
Married a Pole. Best gal ever.!
Currently living in Warsaw.
Ive been a lot of places and tried a lot of food, but this cuisine is some of the best Ive ever had. For real! The list is too long.
Ziewic from the tap.mmmmm mmmmm mmm
Im having a small problem finding quality, moderate multi-pitch trad routes and big, tall boulders.
Can anybody help with this ??? ?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 12, 2009 - 10:56am PT
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Just spent a week with 5 Polish climbers at the International Climbers Meet in IC and they were way cool. One of them, Adam, almost sent Air Sweden.
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Weenis
Trad climber
Tel Aviv
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Oct 12, 2009 - 11:24am PT
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Dzien dobry, Nazywam sie Piotr Cieskowski.
Jestem poczatkujacy, gdzie jest klif.
Do widzenia!
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Oct 12, 2009 - 12:04pm PT
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On my first trip to Poland I learned the time honored tradition of even numbers of vodka shots. You see one shot is only good for one leg. You need a second shot for the other leg to stay in balance. However some wiseacre is always toasting something so the risk of imbalance is ever present. You are only really plastered when you forget how to count. I endeared myself with the locals by learning to speak Polish to the porcelain throne.
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Weenis
Trad climber
Tel Aviv
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Oct 12, 2009 - 01:14pm PT
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Q: How do you know who the Best Man is at a Polish wedding?
A: He's the guy with the pressed bowling shirt.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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FINALLY!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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Yeah, that story really made my day. Awesome outcome!!!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 11, 2010 - 12:56am PT
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They must be reeling. And that's no joke. The story is a little fishy to me. Poland has quite a proud tradition of tremendous pilots. This would not have been a second string flyer, not with the President, his wife and so many top government officials on board. These pilots land in dense fog with out incident as a matter of routine. On the other hand Russian secret police have a long track record of secretly blowing up planes carrying prominent Polacks who they wanted to silence.
Is it a strange coincidence that the plane was travelling to commerate the anniversary of the Massacre at Katyn?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/layers-of-history-and-grief-in-katyn/
excerpt;
The Polish leaders were on their way to commemorate the massacre of more than 20,000 Polish soldiers there by Soviet Union in 1940. “It’s a damned place,” former President Aleksander Kwasniewski was quoted as saying in the Times article. “It sends shivers down my spine.”
The place is Katyn Woods, in the Smolensk region of western Russia. Many of the soldiers killed there in 1940, after the Soviet Union invaded Poland, were among Poland’s military and intellectual elite.
The plane that crashed Saturday was carrying 88 members of Poland’s current elite, including from politics, military and business. President Kaczynski’s wife, Maria, also died, and The Associated Press said that her uncle had been among those killed in the Katyn massacre.
The massacre has been a thorn in Polish-Soviet relations for decades. The Soviet Union had long denied its involvement, and it took 50 years for Moscow to admit its former government had ordered the killings.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
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from marysia:
Wedel, Kukułka and "Śliwka w czekoladzie"...mmmmmm.....:))))you must try them :)
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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I was at the Hall of Mountaineering Excellence at the American Mountaineering Center in Golden, CO last night, where Bernadette McDonald gave a presentation about the incredible record Poles hold for high mountaineering, from her book, Freedom Climbers a must read for me!
What an incredible show about some of the hardest men and women that
ever climbed!!!!
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
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Hurrah, moosedrool!
You are appreciated.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 26, 2014 - 10:56am PT
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The Polish Climbers and the Mountain Path
My mother was born in America but her first language was Polish. She still speaks with a hint of an accent if you know to listen for it. I took for granted any appreciation for my Polish heritage for most of my life. When I was young, I was teased for being a “Polack,” which, I was crudely informed through jokes, were stupid people. So I conveniently hid that part of me for a while and emphasized my Hungarian, English and German heritage from my father’s side whenever national background mattered......... http://suburbanmountaineer.com/tag/wojciech-kurtyka/ |
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 27, 2014 - 08:13am PT
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The pollacks are some of the toughest mo'fukers around.
You can hit em hard and they're still standing there looking at you with that WTF look.
By then you better be ready ......
Possibly, but I'd still take a Samoan over any three of anywhere else. Samoans are like cops, all I ever say to them is "Yes, sir" and "No, sir."
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 27, 2014 - 09:14am PT
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One of my favorite stories of all time is about a man from Poland. This is a true story of a little 10-year old boy, as told when he had grown into a old man.
The story begans in war-torn Poland immediately after World War One. The little boy's father, a Polish soldier, returned home from the Great War, determined to take his family to a place that was free from war. Poland always gets run over by armies in Europe, and his father had had enough of war.
The little boy's father had met an American soldier during the war, who had invited them to America. All that was left of the family was the man and his son, so the father spent his life savings on boat tickets from England to New York. The father and son spent a month walking across Europe from Poland to England.
The little boy's father became sick and died on the Normandy coast of France, before they had crossed to England. This 10-year old boy dug a hole and buried his father. He had no one else in his family, he was all alone. Before his father died, he made his little boy promise to finish the journey to America.
During the boat ride to New York, the little boy became worried because he did not speak English and he did not know who he was supposed to meet in America. His father had never told him the name of the America soldier. Furthermore, the American soldier would be looking for a man and his boy - not a little boy by himself.
When the little boy reached Ellis Island in New York, the America soldier found him right away. The little boy asked (through an interpreter) how he found him, since his father didn't make the journey.
The American soldier replied that his father had written to him several months ago, stating that his son would be traveling alone to America.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Oct 27, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
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Poland in World War Two:
-(Simplified, but accurate account): Provided the British with an Enigma coding machine, used by the Nazis for their secret communications. Since the Nazis figured that their code was unbreakable, they continued to use this method of communication throughout the war. Churchill stated that Allied possession of the Enigma machine shortened the war by two years.
 Smuggled a (crashed)V-2 rocket to the British, allowing Allied intelligence to obtain vital information concerning the design of Hitler's most powerful terror weapon.
Took Monte Cassino after heroic efforts by soldiers from many other Allied nations failed to do so.
Were instrumental (along with the Canadians and Yanks) in the closure of the Falaise Gap, a bitterly fought battle that spelled the end of the Nazi military presence in France.
Represented the largest and most effective non-British nationality to fight in the Battle of Britain.
Unlike almost every other nation in Europe, refused to appoint a Nazi-controlled puppet government.
Warsaw revolted against their murderous Nazi occupiers TWICE. In 1943, the Jewish prisoners of the Warsaw Ghetto arose against their inevitable murder in the gas chambers with desperate courage (and few weapons). They were mercilessly crushed. In 1945, while Stalin's troops massed outside Warsaw city limits, the Poles once more rose against their tormentors and were again slaughtered. Hundreds of thousands of Poles died in both of these rebellions.
At no point during World War Two did the Allies provide anything more substantial than token gestures and empty words to assist the Poles in their struggle for freedom from tyranny.
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MH2
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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Poland did much more than provide Britain with an Enigma machine. They had already been working on the decryption problem for 7 years before WWII began, from the mathematics of permutations to such useful insights into human behavior as guessing that the machine operators would not always bother to completely change the daily keys. The Polish work gave the Allies a big advantage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biuro_Szyfrów
Thank you, Poland.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Oct 27, 2014 - 11:32pm PT
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Also, in spite of the spectacular and disproportionate sacrifices of the Poles to the cause of freedom in Europe during World War Two (and afterwards, for that matter), at Stalin's insistence AND with the acquiescence of Churchill and Roosevelt, the Poles were denied the respect and dignity that they had earned at such an appalling cost by being refused permission to march in the victory parades to celebrate the end of the war - the only Allied nation to be so insulted.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Mar 30, 2015 - 10:40am PT
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Piotr
Ice climber
San Diego
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Mar 30, 2015 - 12:43pm PT
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na zdrowie to all the polakos!
Freedom Climbers, good read.
Piotr
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
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A correction to one of my earlier posts - the second Warsaw uprising was in 1944. Hitler was so enraged by the continued defiance of the Poles against his regime that he ordered that Warsaw be destroyed. This ancient city, arguably the most beautiful in Europe, was almost literally (as opposed to metaphorically) erased from the map by Hitler's troops.
The Poles lost 6 million dead during WW II, approximately 90% of whom were civilian. This represented 20% of their pre-war population. To appreciate the scope of this nightmare, this would represent approximately 64 million dead U.S. citizens by today's numbers.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Mar 30, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
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with apologies to FISH, it is strongly encouraged to not take the Poles lightly, I say
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thebravecowboy
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Greyrock, CO
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Mar 30, 2015 - 10:46pm PT
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Zdzisław Beksiński
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