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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 17, 2005 - 11:26pm PT
I remember this guy.


Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2005 - 12:49am PT
A trip down the memory lane ……for anyone who even cares ………

David Lee Roth hired Ron Kauk and me to help Galen Rowell do this album cover. His production people got him a horse to ride to half dome along with all of the other equipment for this shoot. David decided he wanted to walk and not ride his horse so I asked if I could ride it. “Sure go ahead” he says, “I want to walk”. Cool, I hop on and away we go.

Now Kauk was lagging behind somewhere else during this time sorting out his last minute details telling me earlier he’ll catch up to us. He catches up to the crew and asks where I am? They tell him I’m riding David’s horse. He jogs up the mist trail and catches up to me at the top of Nevada Falls. Ron tells me I’m not riding that thing by myself and he then hops on too. Shit! Two of us on that thing now. We approach towards the saddle the horse became more and more tired, somehow it made it. We make camp at the saddle for tomorrows shoot.

The next day we all troop up to the top for the cover shot shoot.

Galen is running around with his camera trying to figure out the best location. He spots his ace in the hole and tells Ron and me to set up David at the spot you see on that cover. Now we didn’t even have a bolt kit with us, and Galen wants David out in some no mans land with very little features for anything that’ll hold worth sh-it. I go WTF Galen there’s nothing out there and he tells us to do the best we can. Ok man, whatever.

Kauk goes down and places a bunch of A4 sh-it. The final piton where David is supposed to hang off is this pin Kuak puts in (a long med. Lost arrow) sticking more than ¾ of the way out. Ron tells me he hopes it holds David’s ass. Ha ha ha ha

Ron tells me to go to David’s position and set him up when he gets there. I’m on a separate rope and David rappels down to the last pin Ron placed. He takes one look at that thing and says “fu-ck! I’m not hanging off that thing, It’ll pull out and I’ll die”. He is now visibly shaking real bad and scared shitless.

I tell David that I’m the rigger and that he has to have faith in the rigger and the rigger will never lie to you. Now David has probably heard every bullshit line but then he’s never really aid climbed. I tell him that piton is one foot long! And that 7” of that sucker he’s looking at is buried in that horizontal crack to his total disbelief. Ron hears the whole dialog and starts to roll his eyes and hint to me keep it going all while Galen is starting to get impatient with our scared mans delay. Finally after more bullshit lines David buys them and gently as hell gets on that thing shaking like sh-it until Galen shoots the camera.

The shoot is on! David does his Hollywood mode. smiles and all in between bouts of shakes and deep breaths. Galen shoots off his 20 or so rolls in record time and David gets his rope back from above and jugs out. I clean the piton he was on with one jerk of my hand. Kauks eyes roll again and we’re out of there after cleaning the rest of that sh-ity mess.

And David Lee Roth becomes the “Skyscraper”

He gave me and Ron a gold plated carabinier engraved "Diamond Dave" on it, after the shoot. Sorry Ammon, ha ha ha ha

Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2005 - 01:08am PT
Yea, we did that one too. Breashears was the camera man in that one and some guy in Roths crew knocked a rock off over by the west buttress and almost took Breashears head off.

Social climber
kennewick, wa
Jun 18, 2005 - 07:41am PT
Werner, I have been around the block a couple times, and when I started coming to this site and saw people urging you to write a book I didnt get it at first. I hope you will take the urgings seriously. You have a lot of history to share with Yos climbing (not callin you old dude!) that people would love to hear.
Thanks for sharing bro!

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 18, 2005 - 10:22pm PT
One more vote Werner, Write the book!

Social climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Jun 19, 2005 - 12:54pm PT
Yeah "Diamond Dave" was lurking around here in Josh also. He's was a bit out there!!

Big Wall climber
Jun 19, 2005 - 01:15pm PT
I saw him at Stoney a few times. I think with Largo.


Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Jun 19, 2005 - 01:15pm PT
That was awesome. You made the poor guy hang out, ropeless, on one crummy piton? Bad bad bad.

That's okay, that CD really sucks anyhow. My friend bought it sheerly because of the cover.
rocco tuna

Social climber
slo, ca
Jun 20, 2005 - 11:40am PT
awesome story.

Trad climber
Salt Lake City
Jun 20, 2005 - 03:26pm PT
Klaus ...

Looks like Flakes of Wrath (5.9) on the potash road near Moab.



Big Wall climber
Lake Arrowhead
Jun 22, 2005 - 12:45am PT

That is a GREAT story Werner. I was riveted!


Social climber
The West
Jun 22, 2005 - 02:41am PT
Mad dog, cat wall?

Social climber
The Deli
Jun 22, 2005 - 03:55am PT
”With bass wizard Billy Sheehan already gone to form Mr. Big and guitar hero Steve Vai…”

I’ve never heard Bill Russell sing, but…

Mr. Big is a killer band (if you dig 90’s progressive rock/metal, etc.). Paul Gilbert, the original guitarist, is one of my favorites. Talk about shredders… Office Depot can’t even come close!

And Billy Sheehan… Sick! Fat, fat, fat… Base with a punch and plenty of noodles to keep things busy.

Steve Vai… played for Frank Zappa… incredible shredder with a unique style… I recognized his playing the first time that my housemate fired up Halo 2 on his Xbox. Same dude that provided the wicked bizarre guitar riffs and tones for Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure. (although I have to say that Satriani is a step up in my book…)

Ok, time for some music…!

“The Audience is Listening”

“Now Stevie, now don’t be nervous honey, ok? I’m gonna go in, and I’m gonna introduce you, and then you’re gonna come in, with your guitar, and you’re gonna play that nice, nice music you were telling me about, and while you’re doing that, I’ll be sitting in the back of the room. We’ll have such as good time, so don’t you be nervous honey. It’ll relax everybody and we’ll be so happy… I’m gonna go now, I’ll introduce you, ok?

HEADS UP! Now, you kids you, all of you. Calm down. That’s good. Ok? Everyone, in your own seats. That’s good. Ok. Now, little Stevie Vai is going to play a composition on the guitar. He wrote it all by himself. Ok, Stevie, bring your three friends up, they can play with you. That Steve Vai, What a nice little boy.

I wrote this song for all my friends. When I grow up, I’m gonna be a famous rock ‘n roll guitar player!

Love it! Eh he he… Go ahead.

And this is my whammy bar and it’s gonna be loud.

Don’t you think that’s a bit loud? Boys!!! It’s getting too loud! You’re getting out of control. Boys, Stevie, now calm down class, calm down. Mr. Vai, you’ve gotta turn it down.

What did you say? You want me to turn it down? You mean down like this…!

Boys, what happened to that nice music? That sounds like noise Mr. Vai. And I want it stopped. You all got detention!

Uh, oh, here comes trouble.

Ayy, Vai, are you outta your mind? You guys, ya don’t back off, Ya must be crazy! I’m gonna flip-out. I’m tellin’ you. If this is my final flip-out, you guys are gonna go with me!

Ah, shut up.

Will you two stop dancin’ like that. Frankie, leave that girl alone! We’re not gonna have another incident like Mildred. Come here to me Vai, don’t you hear me? Come here you little snit. Wait till I get my hands on… don’t you run away. Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, Vai. Knock it off! Get off my desk!

Hey Andrea, check this out!

Oh Stevie, you promised me you’d play nice music; people out of control, dancin’ on the desks, playin’ with the girls. That awful noise just makes people go wild. You gotta turn that music down Stevie, please…"

Trad climber
Otto, NC
Jun 23, 2005 - 01:38am PT
Don't you boys know any Nice Songs? We have children sleeping in here...

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 1, 2009 - 12:08am PT
Bump- I found this using MisterE's scrolling method.

May 1, 2009 - 12:42am PT
Great 2nd read 4 years later. Awesome Werner.

San Fran Cisco
May 1, 2009 - 12:45am PT
nice post and bump. werner can spin the tale when he wants to.

s x sw
May 1, 2009 - 12:58am PT
Great yarn Werner, missed it the first time around. I hope you do write a book.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
May 1, 2009 - 01:03am PT
WBraun, spinner of fireside dreams .... spin a little dream of any kind fo' us all. Smiles and Peace, Lynne

Edit: Yesterday was the 16th month to the day Dan flew this a story from any story teller out there would be so very cool. Any kinda story or parable ....whatevah'. :}

Social climber
May 1, 2009 - 01:04am PT
hey there werner... say, someone bumped your ol' story here...

thanks for the neat share...

Trad climber
Atwater, CA
May 1, 2009 - 01:06am PT
Werner...quality....enough said

Trad climber
May 1, 2009 - 01:43am PT
I worked at Sport Chatlet in La Canada back in 1986-87, during that time Dave would come in to the mountain shop and buy gear I could only dream of affording. Mike Hoover and Bev Johnson used to frequent the mountain shop from time to time also.

May 1, 2009 - 01:54am PT
How can anyone forget that spectacle?

Trad climber
May 1, 2009 - 02:03am PT
God damn that is a fantastic story Werner.
all in jim

May 1, 2009 - 02:08am PT
that was great. you guys were rock stars.


May 1, 2009 - 02:13am PT
I was eating out of the bakery dumpster . (It’s True.)
pip the dog

Mountain climber
planet dogboy
May 1, 2009 - 02:20am PT
great read, Werner -- though when i hire you for my album cover i want two deep 3/8'a bolts, a screamer, two lockers, and my own horse.

as for the book writing stuff, you're already doing it -- and have been for a long time. you post up great pieces, a little at a time, in your time -- the right way. that will never be lost. then some long wet winter you just sit with a friend and edit it out. the material is already there, and growing quite nicely.

thanks for a great mental image, one well told,

Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
May 1, 2009 - 09:13am PT
Actually, friends, Werner and I ARE writing his book, but we are kind of stuck on the beginning part where Werner is a child.
Double D

May 1, 2009 - 10:12am PT
Classic Werner!

May 1, 2009 - 11:04am PT
Great story Werner. This stuff is priceless.

When I was in high school I remember Van Halen playing local parties always doing thier "you really got me" cover. I think they had a different name then. They were loud and crazy and perfect for the time.

Trad climber
Sep 4, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
spandex and mullets bump

Sep 4, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
Each time I read this Werner I LMAO, as I know some of us have been the greatest con artists of all time to the unknowing persons in our care...
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
Sep 5, 2010 - 12:46am PT
Doesn't Largo have a story about dodging poor old Diamond Dave in Irian Jaya in the 1980s just before he came out with "Eat 'em & Smile"??

In God We Trust
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:03am PT

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:07am PT
great thread.

Relic Hominid
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:15am PT
classic tale of High adventure, right down to the photographers shadow at DLR's feet in the album covers image shown in the first post of this thread

Way out there....
Sep 5, 2010 - 02:10am PT
He gave Galen a gold biner also. Its sitting in his sons house not 30 feet from me right now with the album.

Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
Sep 5, 2010 - 12:26pm PT

Great, and great fun, story.

Thank you!

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
That gold biner .....

Some guy saw mine one day and said "Cool biner".

I said it's yours.

Instant non-attachment.

He owns it now ........

Sep 5, 2010 - 12:56pm PT
The only thing gold I got from a client was a huge bottle of Cuervo Gold 1800.

I got rid of the empty bottle...


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:16pm PT
Braun.....can i have your tundra..? rj

Trad climber
san diego
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
johnny, wrong approach, that will certainly elicit an ad hominem, with a characteristic avuncular approach.

A simple "cool tundra" would suffice.

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:50pm PT

Just now first time seeing this thread...
Kauk goes down and places a bunch of A4 sh-it. The final piton...

I think I still have coffee in my nose.
Werner you always tell it straight up.
Nice Yarn.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 5, 2010 - 01:57pm PT
Who thought of the first responder tape job? Or did you guys want to avoid a lawsuit for damaging his mike hand?!? LOL
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 5, 2010 - 02:04pm PT
Got to wonder if this is the first time that Werner claimed something was twelve inches long?

Sep 5, 2010 - 02:50pm PT
and 7" buried in...

Way out there....
Sep 5, 2010 - 05:29pm PT

Trad climber
san diego
Sep 5, 2010 - 05:46pm PT
Piton Ron!

You of all people(with that moniker/handle)should know that WB was referring to the "Long Dong" piton...crafted by either the Dolt or Coonyard, bitd.

Now, was it Werners long dong, or was it Ron's long dong? It obviously wasn't Diamond Dave's long dong, since Werner was describing to him, in detail, just how long of a dong it was, etc.

Just ask Brawny "Hey, do you have a long dong?"...end of conversation.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 5, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
As a veteran rock star, the man knew the value of falling for the "it's longer than you think" rationale! LOL

Sep 5, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
I don't believe long med is the same as a long dong. It's much shorter...

Trad climber
san diego
Sep 5, 2010 - 07:41pm PT

You are correct. I missed that(med.) I believe the 'Long Dong' arrow's were about 14" but not positive about that. Who did make them back then, do you remember ec?

Well, none the less, it was a great tale of daring do from way back when. To bad Werner wasn't taking pics back then. Suppose with G.R. taking care of thatt aspect of things it wasn't given much consideration(and like me, WB prob didn't own a camera).

Chinchen...that doesn't appear/look like a gold carrabiner to me. Looks like it is of the typical aluminum variety. But most likely it is my computer. How has Joe been treating you? That was a great TR on Crystal Crag by the way.

They must have been gold plated vs. gold. A solid gold biner would way in somewhere close to 12-16 0z. And be worth a hefty some at close to $1300.00 an Oz.

beyond the sun
Sep 5, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
That's a great storey. I'm guessing this was long enough ago that some, if not all of it could be accomplished with photoshop? Even if it was just to erase a rope holding David.

Way out there....
Sep 5, 2010 - 08:10pm PT
Yea, Gold plated.

Joe is a great boss. His company is a pretty cool place to work.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 5, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
Chinchen....Joe is a cool boss....yeah , just wait till he asks you to milk the llamas....rj
the kid

Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
Sep 6, 2010 - 09:01am PT
that was a classic week. i remember that shoot. i carried a pack of gear up to the west face for the shoot that day.
got a picture of dave hanging out and when i did one of his people said, "no pictures"..

DLR got psyched on climbing and came to jtree a year or so later for a few days at a time, and would hire Kauk to take him climbing. I got to tag along on a coupe of those days and had dinner with Dave and Ron one night, DLR was a normal guy away from the bright lights, big city..

Trad climber
san diego
Sep 6, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
That was lame on "his people's" part...sounds like DLR is an OK guy. Gotta hand it to him for hangin it out there over HD. No big deal for a climber, but for someone with little 'exposure experience' that's hefty in my book.

the kid-Thanks for the insight!
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
Sep 6, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
Diamond Dave belongs in this forum. Someone should invite him. He's totally SuperTaco material.

Social climber
Sep 6, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
hey there all, say.... i really LOVE the werner-history-story bumps...

thanks for the bump...

May 14, 2011 - 12:19am PT
Captain...or Skully

or some such
May 14, 2011 - 12:21am PT
Diamond Dave is running some bad arm flab.
Almost Eagle chick caliber.
He's pretty old, though, right? Geezer material?
Double D

May 14, 2011 - 12:28am PT
Classic story Werner. Missed it 1st time.

back east
May 14, 2011 - 06:22pm PT

But with the newly enforced OSHA rules my tie-off is much SAFER than Dave's
Big Mike

Trad climber
Jun 7, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
Bump for taco gold!

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Jun 7, 2012 - 04:35pm PT

Write the damn book, Werner!!!!!
john bald

Jun 7, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
Before I send off another vote for Werner's's some more David Roth trivia.
Growing up in Altadena, I lived a block from his parent's house. Along with all the boys his age we all wanted to be rock stars. I gave up that dream quickly to scramble on rocks instead. We would see David around town doing house parties before they hit up Hollywierd. My twin sister even dated him once (jr high), she said the night didn't go well. I wonder if I will see him at the high school reunion this year (40th), but then I remembered he was shipped off to the "bad boy school" for one too many infractions at John Muir HS. Wonder if he ever did graduate....
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jun 7, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
I love these tales that Werner spins.

Mountain climber
portland, Maine
Jun 7, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
I was at Stoney teaching a youth camp, about 15 kids. Dave came by and asked if he could hang with us. He stayed for 2 hours helping.

Cool dude, the kids could not believe it was him.


Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Apr 29, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
Bump for Herr Braun's forthcoming book to be released simultaneously with

"The Long and Winding but Never Forgotten Lodestar Saga of 1977-2020"



Apr 29, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
What?! As if nobody has added this here yet. Best music vid eVAR!!

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Mountain climber
Apr 29, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Great video with the Yosemite scenes, RyanD!

Werner, do you have any stories about the Lost Arrow Spire shots and the tyrolean? Were you there for that?

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Apr 29, 2014 - 11:58pm PT
awesome story!! hahaHAha!!

yeah, seriously. write a book.

Social climber
granada hills
Apr 30, 2014 - 12:08am PT
Great story. Thanks for sharing.


Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 30, 2014 - 12:35am PT
One more vote Werner, Write the book!

Wendell (TGT) is right. Dude!!!! You have to write a book.

You'd be doing a disservice to future climbers and Hindus if you didn't.

Don't make me come down there and motivate yer ass!!!.

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2014 - 11:29am PT
On the Lost Arrow spire shoot Dave was especially scared by the exposure.

He was trembling at one point.

But!!!! Like a true Rock Star Pro when the camera rolls he always delivers his true game face perfectly.

On the last day he was there he finally came into the cafeteria for breakfast.

He never came before because he didn't want to be bothered by "fans".

So we're sitting there eating and various people are staring at him when he finally gets up
after eating and says he's going back to his room.

No sooner had he left, then the Curry employees come over and grab the chair he was sitting in.

I go; "WTF are you guys doing?"

They said; "David Lee Roth sat in this chair" and ran off with the chair.

LOL HAHAHA .... so stupid.

Mountain climber
May 1, 2014 - 12:03am PT
Tom Evans' colour choices :-)


Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
May 1, 2014 - 01:05am PT
What would be cool is to get David Lee Roth himself to post on this one. I'll bet he'd get a charge out of it; maybe get him back out on the rock!

Running with the Devil, yeah.


Mountain climber
May 21, 2015 - 11:18am PT
I remember all of this. Leading kids trips in Yosemite at the time and taught climbing with Stevie Schneider in Berkeley one day in that era.
Here's the man today. He really needs to start climbing again!!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
May 21, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
Please do not encourage him!
Might as well jump is an annoying bit of noise.

May 21, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
"might as well jump" made MONEY. Noise or not...Beats the shii Kenny G put out....

And what is he like 70 or something? Looks pretty good IMO... And yeah, uncanny Mr Smith resemblance. Hair makes a diff.

Killer K

Boulder climber
Sacramento, CA
May 21, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Oh yeah!
Big Mike

Trad climber
May 21, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
What a shame. This beautiful thread is almost illegible. So glad i saw it before the deletions..

Thanks again for the tale Werner!

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 21, 2015 - 02:09pm PT
Ooooops, I thought this thread was about Ron Anderson, my bad.....

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 21, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
The NPS should ask David Lee to lead a campfire singalong at Curry.
I'll suggest it to Michael Anthony the next time I see him in Glendora.

Social climber
State of decay
May 21, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
Michael Anthony isn't in Glendora anymore. Sold the house and now is ensconced in a house on the water in Newport Beach! Boat tied up on his dock, lights blazing, and Chicken Foot playing, the New Years Eve Blast was great!!!!

Mountain climber
Aug 19, 2017 - 05:00pm PT
Reminder for Werner to write a book about Yosemite antics!

Some of the now deleted posts are on the Wayback Machine, for anyone interested in the original continuity (copy and paste what's below, don't click):

edit - am adding the video RyanD originally posted (" Best music vid eVAR!!"), but since expired. It has some Yosemite scenes, mentioned in Werner's now 3rd post from the top:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2017 - 06:38pm PT
I hate climbing books, they're stoopid :-)

If I wrote a book it will be so full of bullsh!t that only the boob dufuss always would believe it :-)

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 19, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
Ho Man, that it such an awesome story! BOOK! BOOK! BOOK!
Werner's the real deal in more ways than one ☝️ He's told me a story or two and I've heard others.. and man o'man, i- and i think anyone that owns a guidebook would want His book centered on their coffee table! i love the humor He evolves throughout His storytelling😂 and everytime i reread it i learn something new, like wit a topo.
i hiked equipment up to lost arrow tip with Werner for a Marlboro shoot once(isn't book worthy tho) as it started to rain a burst came over the radio, "the shoot is off!" So we rested with a ciggy, Then proceeded to race down faster then a ram down the hill to The Wiggins' Spread. OMG! Food and beer forever and everyone was there!!!And a fat paycheck to boot! I love you Earl, Werner, Merry

my best non-accomplishment day EVER
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Aug 19, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
Great thread, funny story.

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 19, 2017 - 09:41pm PT
Here's another one! Hahahaha

Aug 19, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
I've never heard of a biting yellow-jacket before reading this thread.

I've seen em eat dead people many times.

They fly right into their mouths and bite off chunks of meat and then fly away .....

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2017 - 08:04am PT
I'd read it,
I say;
Bring the bullsh!t Braun. :)

Count me in. It wouldn't be just a climbing book. I'm sure. Gotta be a lot of stories locked up in the duck's head.

Trad climber
The real McCoy from the inside of my van.
Aug 20, 2017 - 11:01am PT
But Werner, the thing about a truly great story... is that it actually doesnt matter if its true or not. Write your stories, I for one would read them.

Trad climber
Ketchum, Idaho
Aug 20, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
Werner: As your old ski coach, I add my voice to those who encourage you to WRITE THE BOOK! You've given so much to Yosemite and the climbing community, that you should top it off with your perspective, tales and, maybe, some bullshit of the last 40 or more years in the great valley. I will be in line to buy a first edition. All best......Yeti

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 21, 2017 - 05:31am PT
I'll buy it too!

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 21, 2017 - 08:02am PT
You would be stooopid not to!

Trad climber
san Jose, CA
Aug 21, 2017 - 08:40am PT
Write the book, Werner!!!

Regards from someone who has been watching you since the mid 1970s. If EVER there was someone who has seen the sh#t, done the sh#t, and knows the sh#t it is WERNER!!!

DO IT! Get someone to transcribe stuff you talk into a recorder if that is what it takes.


Sport climber
Aug 21, 2017 - 08:41am PT

I'm sure the reborn duck will only talk about stooopid ST and the grand computer all over that book. What the heart is full of, will drip out of the mind and down on his grand PC.

Don't spread ducktalk everywhere. Save the duck from himself and the future... It's a fair decision not to try writing that book...

Writing that book is fair too in the most improbable of senses...

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 21, 2017 - 08:47am PT
Marlow why you gotta be so smart!?

Oh yeah ur not Merican
ron gomez

Trad climber
Aug 21, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
Channel into his energy, then you will know all the stories.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Aug 21, 2017 - 02:24pm PT
Werner - Reason to write book: $$$$

If you have plenty of cash already, then never mind.

Gym climber
Aug 21, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
Not that I'd mention it, but after you write the book, you can tour it!

Win Win!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Aug 30, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
Reason to write book: $$$$

uh, the book business is dismal from a writers perspective, I think JL has made some comments on ST about the state of affairs in the publishing business. Niche non-fiction is a labor of love for which you might break even.

Social climber
Aug 30, 2017 - 04:07pm PT
Stupid Americans--I'm getting mine at the library
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