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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 23, 2008 - 06:44pm PT
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They allegedly had AK47s and other weapons.
Practiced their techniques in Pocono's at a paintball place.
Too bad they were caught.
They are only getting prison time.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:03pm PT
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Is that a sarcastic too bad or, uh, some other kind of too bad?
Were the AKs modded to shoot paintballs?
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:28pm PT
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Bury them alive with a pig. Kill the pig first.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:31pm PT
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That's nice, now they can spend their life-sentences in jail indoctrinating 'short-timers' to carry out 'Allah's will' against infidels.
Edit: Or at least bury 'em with a real leather football (pigskin). Every read "Teeth of the Tiger" by Clancy?
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:50pm PT
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Well, Someone should attack Fort Dix......That place is a hole.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:59pm PT
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Fort Dix? What were they thinking?
Fort Knox is where the money is.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 23, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
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I'm waiting for details about how real this was. Seems like sometimes the feds informants cook up a more real plot than really existed, like those friggin' Liquid explosive bombers who didn't have any Liquid explosives nor knowledge of them
Peace
Karl
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2008 - 10:47pm PT
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Like I said....
FBI should have waited.
Paint-ballers assault Fort Dix! Maybe they would have done it on Halloween for War of the Worlds II.
If they held out long enough, maybe CNN would have it got it on video.
Now the poor schmucks don't even get any virgins, though they might soon be somebody's virgin.
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pissed
Trad climber
Lake Placid NY and Scranton PA
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Dec 23, 2008 - 10:59pm PT
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I live in the Poconos. Around here, those people would seem normal - shooting guns constantly. Scary. I feel safe where I live because of my neighbors and their incredible aim. Now I am armed too so if someone comes breaking in, I'm coming out shooting.
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:07pm PT
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Will someone PLEASE just attack Fort Dix?
It needs it real bad.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:19pm PT
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More keystone kriminals kaptured and konvicted, apparently.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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Cross posting from the "clashxxxwhatever" thread.
You convinently skiped over how it all started.
"I think they were in the last stage of planning," then-U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said at the time of their arrest. "They had training, they had maps, and I think they were very close to moving on this." He added: "This is what law enforcement is supposed to do in the post-9/11 era -- stay one step ahead of those who are attempting to cause harm to innocent American citizens."
The investigation began after a clerk at a Circuit City store told the FBI that some customers had asked him to transfer onto DVD some video footage of them firing assault weapons and screaming about jihad.
The opperative fact is the tip from the clerk came first. The offers to the imformants came as a development of the case, not its origination.
The intent was clearly already there.
The "Black Jack" treatment clearly called for.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:30pm PT
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From the link above
"Defense attorneys dismissed the government’s evidence that the group discussed attacking military facilities as “conversational ramblings” of young men.
“Much of the evidence in this case comes from the fantasy world” of Shnewer and other members of the group, said Michael Huff, an attorney for Dritan Duka.
Cipparone targeted government informant Mahmoud Omar, a convicted felon paid almost $240,000 by the FBI to infiltrate the group, as the instigator of the men’s jihadist leanings.
Omar “pushed and pushed” Shnewer to make incriminating comments about attacking U.S. bases, Cipparone told jurors. Still, “Omar the manipulator” wasn’t able to get Shnewer or the others to carry out the attacks, he said."
$240,000!! How many police undercover officers get that? Why the need to push the conspirators?
Still seems to me like an informant trying to convince boy scouts to stage a panty raid and then, after they get kinda worked up about it, charging them with a sex crime. The government love to report foiled terrorism but never seems to have a very convincing case that the plots were very serious or real.
You can find all kinds of gun nuts talking about how the government could be brought down on the net. People get pissed up and like to visualize sh#t, but doing is another story.
Peace
Karl
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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From the website, it appears that Fort Dix would be very low on the list of potential terrorist targets, at least if the 'terrorists' are armed with nothing more than assault rifles and maybe home-made bombs. In fact, it wouldn't be on the list at all. Attackers without heavy weapons and military training probably wouldn't get past the base perimeter, if that. http://www.dix.army.mil/
Sounds like mostly hot air from some angry, foolish young men, possibly helped by an agent provocateur. Assuming that the goal of terrorism is to sow terror, there are much more realistic and higher-value targets.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Dec 23, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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Even if they were just kidding...which they most likely were not, it's a pretty good bet that few people will get the joke when your target is a military base less than a hundred miles from where the twin towers got bombed.
Even if Ft Dix isnt a high profile target that just means that they wouldnt have gotten far- maybe only a few casualties. I would say saving a few lives warrants locking up some a-holes like this just as much as saving even a few lives warrants pulling the troops out of Iraq.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 24, 2008 - 12:02am PT
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If this had been a bunch of redneck "good ole boys" braging about "killin all them queers" caught on tape and then with a subsequent case developed with paid informants,
the calls for blood would be incessant.
But, since they were threatening patriots that serve their nation,
they were railroaded.
give me a break!
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Dec 24, 2008 - 12:04am PT
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bingo
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 24, 2008 - 01:00am PT
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Eh, what TGT said...
Is it only a hate crime when executed by white Christian heterosexual males? Among other things? These dudes are rotten.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 24, 2008 - 01:43am PT
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"If this had been a bunch of redneck "good ole boys" braging about "killin all them queers" caught on tape and then with a subsequent case developed with paid informants,
the calls for blood would be incessant.
But, since they were threatening patriots that serve their nation,
they were railroaded.
give me a break! "
TGT. this kind of stuff happens all the time. The Klan and Right Wing government haters in Idaho train for sh#t all the time. The government doesn't hire people to talk em into making actual plans that still don't materialize
Peace
Karl
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Dec 24, 2008 - 02:56am PT
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I keep worrying about the pig. Make sure it's dead before burying. I don't like cruelty to poor dumb animals.
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 24, 2008 - 09:33pm PT
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Did anyone else attack Fort Dix yet?
C'mon, Please.....Attack!!!!!
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andanother
climber
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Dec 24, 2008 - 10:15pm PT
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Karl,
Could you please leave the "facts" out of this? TGT wants to make wild, unfounded accusations. And when you post facts, it kinda makes him look like a fool.
It's Christmas. Can't we all just get along for ONE day?
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
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Yeah, not far from here they are massing for a reenactment of Washington crossing the Delaware to attack Trenton.
It was raining earlier. Ice storm melt has probably raised the river a bit, but probably not much ice, if any to deal with.
I wonder if these guys practice their attacks in the Poconos with paint balls....
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 25, 2008 - 12:33am PT
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Hey, there's an idea....Trenton! Attack Trenton!
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2008 - 12:56am PT
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Cloudy and Windy Feels Like 57°F
UV Index: 0 Low
Dew Point: 54°F
Humidity: 90%
Visibility: 9.0 miles
Pressure: 29.81 inches and steady
Wind: From the West Southwest at 24 gusting to 36 mph
Good chance the river might be a bit foggy.
But with 9 mile visibility, they better be partying or sleeping.
At least the wind is blowing in the right direction.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 25, 2008 - 12:51pm PT
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There is no doubt that once in awhile some terrorism happens. The problem is that the previous administration used fear to garner support and votes near elections or as a distraction.
How many times in the past 8 years did the administration jack up the terror level or even close a bridge because of some immediate terror threat, only to find out they used information from years earlier that was questionable to start with? Too much crying wolf and making a few marginal angry people with no experience or resources into grave dangers to national security
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 25, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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"In 2003 deputy assistant attorney general John G. Malcolm tried to convince congress that file-sharing software supported terrorism. "Organized crime groups frequently referred to as 'warez' groups...are frequently engaged in many types of criminal enterprises, including supporting terrorist activities.""
"n August 2, Roll Call issued a breaking news report, warning of a suspected terror threat against the U.S. Capitol:
Capitol Police officials have stepped up the department’s security presence on Capitol Hill in response to intelligence indicating the increased possibility of an al-Qaida terrorist attack on Congress sometime between now and Sept. 11.
Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) ratcheted up the rhetoric, “ominously” advising that “Congress needed to pass changes to terrorist surveillance laws before leaving for the August recess and warned that otherwise ‘the disaster could be on our doorstep.’”
Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), speaking at a FISA event yesterday organized by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, stated that the terror claims were “part of a well-orchestrated campaign” by the administration to politicize the FISA debate. She referred to the efforts as part of the “Rovian strategy of using terrorism as a wedge political issue.” Harman asserted that the intelligence agencies “knew” the terror claims propagated by conservative lawmakers were false:
That specific intelligence claim, it turned out, was bogus; the intelligence agencies knew that –apparently had communicated to Congress or to relevant people that it was bogus, the source was unreliable. But that communication wasn’t in any published form until the day that the Senate passed the amendments to FISA."
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/20/harman-terror-attack/
"CNN just ran a story indicating they have confirmed the recent terror threat on NYC's subway system was a hoax.
“Authorities said earlier the interrogation of three suspects arrested by U.S. forces in Iraq has so far produced no information to corroborate a possible threat.”
Two days earlier.
The debunked threat was two days debunked when Bloomberg made it a story worthy of displacing his debate no-show. As soon as Bloomberg announced the press conference to scare the bejezus out of us, D.C. officials started scratching their heads and whispering.
“There was no there there,” one anonymous senior Department of Homeland Security counter-terrorism official said, explaining that the credibility of the threat seemed to suggest that the city was overreacting."
http://dereau.blogspot.com/2005/10/nyc-subway-specific-threat-confirmed.html
Peace
Karl
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Dec 25, 2008 - 03:05pm PT
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Hey it's another "if they were doing X instead of Y you'd be Z" thread. These threads are always good. Any thread where white guys express their feelings of oppression and self-pity are grand. And boy those liberals....defending those who threaten True Patriots again. Thank god there are heroes like bluering and TGT to set them straight.
Merry X-Mas!
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Captain...or Skully
Trad climber
North of the Owyhees
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Dec 25, 2008 - 03:45pm PT
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Just attack New Jersey! Anywhere!
Secaucus? Elizabeth?....Ft. Lee?...Hoboken?
Oh, how about Newark?...Attack Newark!
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