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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 23, 2008 - 01:20am PT
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Disclosure --- it’s what’s for Christmas!
John Podesta will be working directly with the Obama/Biden administration as the Co-chairman of Obama’s transition team:
http://www.truveo.com/John-Podesta-UFO-Disclosure/id/1488847134
Pope confirms Aliens are real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFqNo0PhJU&feature=related
The following images are official NASA Apollo 15 images from the Lunar Planetary Institute, Apollo Image Atlas, on the backside of the Moon near Latitude 19 degrees S; Longitude 117.5 degrees E. The spacecraft is there and easily seen!
Resources:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/mapcatalog/apolloindex/apollo15/as15indexmap01/300dpi.jpg
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630
The following are enlarged and cropped stereo pair images from the above resources. Print and view them in 3D with a simple handheld stereo glass pair for photogrammetry. From the image data you can determine the unit less Scale Factor of the images: Lens Focal Length/Camera Altitude = 24 inch/117km = 1/191,929.13. From here measure the length of the crashed Alien Spacecraft (apparently visited by Apollo 20, Commander William Rutledge et al. in 1976) and scale it out. The spacecraft is approx. 3.26km in length and about 500m high/wide. You would certainly have to use your climbing skills to explore this puppy! Sorry, but we don’t have anything that big, and neither do the Russians! NASA and the Lunar Planetary Institute are not hiding it anymore. Amazing.
These are certainly interesting times we live in. Now the question is who were these Aliens? Friend or Foe? Some say the Nephalim as mentioned in the Bible. Who knows? One thing is for sure we need to get back to the Moon and then onto Mars. It is our destiny to explore. Exploring and doing science are good --- NWO, war, and war profiteering are bad. We are climbers and explorers at heart. That is what we do.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Enlargement from Map and Photo index for Apollo 15, Rev 38:
Enlargement from AS15-P-9625:
Enlargement from AS15-P-9630:
Here are resources concerning the story of Apollo 20/Commander William Rutledge, and now Apollo 19/Moonwalker1966delta. If this is a hoax it is a damn good one and should be made into a Hollywood blockbuster movie. Many people would have had to go out of their way to fake this and do so at great expense and time. I just don’t think people are that motivated to fool people when there is nothing for them to gain financially (or otherwise), and then only at a significant level. People are lazy. Would our government be behind such a hoax? Isn’t it cheaper just to deny it all? No matter what, the images from NASA above of the crashed spacecraft are as real as it gets:
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/home-ENG.htm
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo19CDR-interview.htm
http://www.revver.com/u/retiredafb/
Moonwalker1966delta at Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQMTbsePb7Q
http://www.ramistrip.com/
NASA --- Apollo 20 Crew Patch:
Edit:
Here is a great resource for stereoscopes . . .
http://ascscientific.com/stereos.html
I have the Sokkia Pocket Stereoscope
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 23, 2008 - 01:58am PT
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Q: How do you hide the manufacture and lift off of a Saturn V?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2008 - 06:07am PT
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I'm not so convinced myself of Apollo 19 and 20, but maybe?
You have to read the interview with Moonwalker1966delta to know your answer . . .
But there is no denying that there is something massive and intelligently designed sitting on the backside of the Moon, and it isn't ours, nor anyone elses that we know. Amazing stuff if you ask me.
That is unbelievably amazing!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:35am PT
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here's your answer!
that "unbelievably amazing" object is, obviously, noah's ark:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49203
my guess is it was transported to the moon by the cia to prevent the ruskies from harnessing its power for world domination; only after a near perfect drop-off did someone realize their mistake...the real source of power is the lost ark, which indiana jones has safely stowed away in a secret warehouse...probably on the dark side of the moon...no, wait, that's where pink floydd is buried...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2008 - 11:27am PT
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Bookworm,
You just crack me up.
Ok, not really. Check it out yourself and view it in 3D. Sorry I can't hold your hand over the internet to do so, but I gave you all the tools you need to do so yourself.
By the way, there is no darkside of the Moon. We all know this right????? Basic Astronomy.
However, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is an alltime favorite and classic. Have to agree there.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Dec 23, 2008 - 12:10pm PT
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From the perspective of earth, there certainly IS a dark side of the moon. Of course it does get light, but we on earth never see that side of the moon because its rotational period is the same as its orbital period, thus we on earth always see the same side.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2008 - 12:24pm PT
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That would be the backside of the Moon, not the darkside of the Moon.
Yes, we only see one side of the Moon, because the Moon is in Syncronious Rotation with the Earth. The Moon spins once every orbit around Earth. Basic Astronomy.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2008 - 05:49pm PT
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I have attempted to only stick to affirmed NASA images in the public domain that they are willing to share.
There are many more images available that are closer and higher resolution that "Retiredafb," Commander William Rutledge, has released with negative numbers from Apollo 20. However, anyone could say "Well those are fake. Can I order these images from NASA using these negative numbers?" Highly doubt it. Apollo 20 never happened according to the powers that be.
However, I will try to make a better magnification stereo pair from these official NASA released images. Hang on . . .
Ok, here you go. Print the following stereo pair images on high gloss paper for photos at the best resolution, and view them with a stereoscope in 3D. Remember, this craft is massive approx. 3.26km long! You can clearly see to the right end the massive nose of the craft sticking up above the Lunar surface with shadowing below, and what appears to be a large navigation like deck (or level) structure on top. It has been up there for so long that meteorite impacts have heavily damaged it. Perhaps millions of years??? I don't know. Enjoy!
AS15-P-9625 at 400%
AS15-P-9630 at 400%
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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hahahaha
Apparently, with the last of my xmas shopping tonight, I need to pick up some tin foil. hahaha
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:33pm PT
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All I see is the Virgin Mary - maybe we could sell it on Ebay.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:34pm PT
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I dont know if it's such a sure thing that we have to explore Mars with humans until we've solved some of our technical and social problems here on earth.
But I do think it's sure that if Alien life was positively outed to the earth people, that it would stimulate our minds and thought.
As yourself, how would you react if Alien ships were in our orbit and somehow communicated that they were able and willing to help us? Turn em away? Allow them to land (and perhaps spread space disease but solve our energy/warming problems) Knowing the technical issues involved in long space travel would give some indication of how far advanced beyond us they would have to be.
Mind experiment, how do you think humans would be able to evolve in a million years of evolution and science (and spirituality) if we don't kill ourselves first? What would we be able to do?
Peace
Karl
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:37pm PT
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The only thing noteworthy about this is that December 21st - 27th is the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 8 mission, when Borman, Lovell and Anders were the first humans to leave the Earth and travel to the moon. They orbited it ten times, before returning. Their historical mission was made indelible by their broadcast from lunar orbit on the evening of December 24th.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo8info.html
Had NASA known the milleniarist nonsense that their explorations would inspire in a few conspiracy theorists, they might have decided not to bother. Or just staged it all on a grassy knoll in a studio in Area 51, and blown all the money on a big party.
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murcy
climber
San Fran Cisco
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Dec 23, 2008 - 06:53pm PT
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an important reminder this holiday season to bring along a designated driver.
"dad? i'm really sorry but i, um, crashed the ufo. yeah, i'm afraid it was the 3.26km one. i was just backing it into a crater and i guess i hit the gas instead of the brake."
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 23, 2008 - 07:15pm PT
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seriously, klimmer, that thing you're jonesing over looks a helluva lot like the pic of "noah's ark" in the link i included...are you saying you believe in noah's ark, too? is that one photo enough evidence for you?
and while we're on the topic, i think i might be able to identify one of the intelligent designers
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andanother
climber
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Dec 23, 2008 - 08:41pm PT
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So you think Obama will be the one to finally disclose the info on ET life?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 23, 2008 - 10:14pm PT
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and the parallels to that other intelligent designer continue; thanks, again, klimmer
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 23, 2008 - 10:33pm PT
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Heck, I thought it looked like Nature!!!!1111
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2008 - 02:18am PT
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Read the interviews. According to Commander William Rutledge, they went, they saw, and they recovered something. There is more than one ship apparently and it is near by. In stereo you can see a triangular object of some kind in front of the long one, and it too casts a shadow. Apparently that is the ship where they made the recovery.
They brought back Mona Lisa, at least that's what they called her. I'm not sure about the videos regarding this. But again, who would go to all this trouble to fake? Why bother? What are you gonna get out of it? Real names of astronauts are being disclosed now. Seems something real is happening. Often false stories are mixed with real stories, to make it easier for deniability.
Then the questions beg: Who are they? From where did they come? When did they come? Are they still here? What do they want? Friend or Foe? Obviuosly they are light-years ahead of us in technology. We can use that now. Perhaps there are those in our government who know the answers to these questions. And if they do, then what are they hiding and why? Can we trust our government, and can we trust any alien race who would make secret pacs with our secret government?
The Good Book has a lot to say about these matters. Test the spirits and see whether they are of God, to paraphrase . . .
It sure would make an incredible movie. Perhaps Commander William Rutledge and Moonwalker1966delta could be technical advisors for this block-buster adventure docu-drama.
Then again, watching "Capricorn One" (good movie in its day and still is) and what the gov did to those astronauts probably isn't too far from the truth, and why they hide to live out there lives in relative peace. But before they pass-on they have to tell us the truth, they are compelled. It is how it happens. Think our government has something to do with why they are quiet until the bitter end when it doesn't matter anymore. What are you gonna do when someone starts spilling their guts and they are already well into the last years of their life and they don't care anymore and aren't scared of dying? This is happening time and time again. Even with the Rosewell incident. Our secret government can be very evil. Perhaps they are led by a very evil spirit.
Once again, the Good Book says: Eph 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 24, 2008 - 03:18am PT
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"They're not ready"
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 24, 2008 - 02:28pm PT
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oh, klimmer, i can't believe you mentioned capricorn one and called it a "good movie"...that alone eliminated any shred of credibility
but i'll keep playing...if everybody is starting to talk and things "are starting to happen", why haven't i heard about this from nyt, lat, wapo, cnn, cnbc, bbc? all tenacious anti-secret government institutions...why are you my only source? and why are you posting this earth-shattering news on a climbing forum?
oh, and if "they" are "obviously light years ahead of us in technology", why did they leave us morons a big fat clue? i mean, if they want to make bff, why not just use their super technology to contact us directly? did they crash? because that would be funny...see, the morons from earth got to the moon and back, but "they" couldn't; or did we shoot them down? because that would be even funnier (i mean ironically, of course)...i think this illustrates it well, the money line comes at the 4:30 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ijDlbvAxw
come on, i'm dying to hear how the media (did i forget fox?) are part of the secret government's conspiracy because, after all, if we simpletons knew about this, why we'd probably, um, riot in the streets (how many of us would like an excuse to loot a new plasma right now?) or, maybe, um, demand a new election for somebody who has "experience" with this kind of , er, thing, or, i don't know, maybe, er, well, why don't you tell me what we're going to do when "the truth finally comes out"
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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Merry Christmas everyone! Hope it is special and, on this celebration of Christ's birth, Santa was good to you.
When I first heard all of this and read Richard Hoagland and Mike Bara's NY Times best selling list book "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA" and then the whole story on the possible secret Apollo 20, I was incredibly moved and challenged scientifically and spiritually.
I'm over the serious worry and troubled phase, now I'm just very amazed, left wondering, and also very tempered with caution. The answers are out there. I don't think it conflicts with my Christian faith or upbringing. It reveals a tremendous amount about man's past and our future.
Just yesterday I was watching a very interesting program on the History Channel discussing the forbidden books of the Bible, like the Book of Enoch. I'll be honest I've never read the Book of Enoch, but apparently that is where it goes into detail on the Angel/Man relationship as mentioned in the book of Genesis. It goes into greater detail on the Nephalim, the off-spring of the Angel's (the Son's of God) mating with the daughter's of Man. Apparently the off-spring had tremendous powers and abilities. Perhaps they had the knowledge of interplanetary travel and could actually do it? Looks as though God wasn't too pleased with them though, and this led to their destruction. Perhaps there are factions of Angels who have fallen from grace who have these powers and abilties and have fought wars among themselves interplanetarily? Perhaps that is where UFOs all come from --- fallen Angels?
There are many in the Christian community who think so, and have gone into great depth and study concerning this idea. It could all explain a great deal, and why mankind has to be very cautious and "test the spirits to see whether they are of God." The book of Revelations goes into so much of this concerning the last days.
Some will say, "Hey Aliens and UFOs are real, cool, our troubles are over! They truly are our creators --- they are our Gods!"
I'm more inclined to say, hey, we can learn a lot from them, technology wise and how to heal the Earth that we have screwed-up so bad, but who are they really? Perhaps they are Wolves in Sheep's clothing, here to usher in the big hoax within the last days as warned by Christ?
Test the Spirits to see whether they are of God, and if they have any secret relationships with governments or secret governments here on Earth, figure out what is going on and put a stop to it. No NWO for me and those who know.
That is something Christ was very against --- secret organizations and going ons. He said, I have done nothing in Secret, to paraphrase the Good Book. "Be wise as Serpents, and tender as Doves."
It is all incredibly interesting and something that we all must deal with. I do believe disclosure is going to happen in a big way, sometime soon. How will we all respond? Personally, I don't want to be caught unaware. I want to know the truth.
On-edit:
Yes, Mona Lisa is a looker, I agree. You had to mention that she is naked didn't you! Actually, I don't think she is, some weird kind of clothes that are flesh colored though.
Man, my greatest vise and personal cross to bear . . .
Drugs aren't it (I don't do that anymore and only did it a few random experimental times). It isn't alcohol (hey, I can quit any time I want . . . hic-up, I swear). No doubt --- it is SEX. Why did he have to make it feel so good, and the Daughters of Man sooo beautiful? Just like King David, I got a problem --- I admit it. Hey, I'm halfway there to recovery I'm told.
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bookworm
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Dec 25, 2008 - 07:44pm PT
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of course, the sons of god were offspring of angels with knowledge of interplanetary travel...that explains why god chose to destroy them with a flood...so, this proves the biblical flood wasn't really global; no, it was galactic!
still puzzled about one thing, though...if our big, scary government is so intent on keeping all this a big secret, why would they allow a couple of nyt reporters to spill the big beans all over the internet?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2008 - 08:31pm PT
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Actually, "the Sons of God" are fallen Angels, who mated with "the daughters of Man" whom are Earthly, beautiful, and 100% human women. Their offspring are the Nephalim who are men of renown, with special powers, and giants, God like (at least in their minds). Some say this is where the Greek myths come from, and were originally inspired by.
Apparently, they are not considered by God to be worthy of salvation, nor is it possible for them. Destroying them was God's only option eventually.
Does this great experiment continue to go on through "Alien Abductions" where in reality it is really Fallen Angels incognito once again getting what they need from Man to continue to propagate?
Interesting stuff to ponder for sure.
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