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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 3, 2008 - 10:35pm PT
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I have the Indices for Mountain from 89 through 136, the last was 145...
Since I've completed my initial project for the winter (going through the AAJ for Yosemite references) I thought I might scan these Indices and run them through OCR and provide them in a useful format appropriate for the web.
Does anyone know if there were indices prior to #89? Cynthia Grindley compiled them... Does anyone have these indices and if so would you be willing to make a copy and send them to me? (or scan them and send the .pdf files??)...
I can index 137 through 145... my first was 90 and I have a complete set of 95 though 145.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Calling Steelmonkey!
Aren't you the magazine god?
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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I have all issues except for 12 of 'em. I start at #4 with a few skips at the beginning and the end. (Way before my time and then I got lazy.)
However, I never had an index. Never saw one. What did you have in mind?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I have the following indexes for Mountain (by issue numbers): 13 - 24, 25 - 40, 41 - 52, 53 - 64, 65 - 76, 77 - 88, 89 - 100, 101 - 112, 113 - 124, 125 - 136. They did about 12 issues at a time, and the quality gradually got better. I don't know if there was an index to issues 1 - 12.
You had to order them from time to time, and I think if you were a subscriber you got sent some. I vaguely recall that they didn't start indexing until the late 1970s or later, and then had to work through a backlog.
They're fairly small print, about 7 or 8 point, and on odd-sized paper, by North American standards. So it might not scan well, or post readably. Let me know, my people can talk with your people, we can do lunch, maybe figure something out. Or I could give you copies when you're here in January - probably 80 to 100 pages total.
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Ed, as I remember there were indexes for all. I had the complete collection. I donated them all to the Marriott Library at the Univ. of Utah. I have no idea if the collection is on line - probably not even catalogued.
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I'm all ears .. (I used to check them out of the library , and bought a few on sale at the Booky Joint)
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Sounds like a worthy project, Ed!
I have all the index, from #1 to #145 (well, I am at work, and maybe - as Anders - I do not have 1-12 (I'll check tonight)).
Being European, I find they have the right format, and it could be nice to see if they read well in OCR. But as said: Small typing & colums could prove as good deal of hand-work...
Michael
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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>>Calling Steelmonkey!
>>Aren't you the magazine god?
Whaaaaaaaa? Just now saw this...
Okay, where were the indices? Did they publish them? Don't recall seeing anything separate. Gimme a hint and I'll check to see what I have.
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rick d
climber
tucson, az
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I gave my set to Prescott College library and I believe I had all indexes w/ them.
general holdings are online so you could check...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2008 - 11:15am PT
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the indices were mailed about every 12 issues with the magazine subscription. They were separate, sometimes very large sheets (folded to an A4 size?) which came in the envelope containing the magazine.
I'll get a front page up at some point, and test out the OCR on the home scanner here...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I probably have them too, though finding them might require a team of archeologists...
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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I have all indexes, and I did a testrun of the first page of first index. Without any editing (it needs some indentation and tabulations) it looks like this:
Mountain Index
for Mountain numbers 1 -12. 1969 and 1970.
Compiled by Bob Moulton.
Abi Gamin (HimaIaYa) : ascent by Indian
Expedition. 9-6
Abraham, Ashley: illustration of, 7-12
Abraham, George: illustration of, 7-12
Abrons, Hank: New route on Mt. Temple, North
Face .7 2
Accidents (including rescues) :
French Alps: C.A.F. report. 11-8
Italian Alps: 1969 accidents. 10-6
Mountain Rescue Committee statistics
1957-68.7-3
North Wales; falls in, 10-9
Aig. du Midi. 12-8
Aig. du Blatiere. 6-6
Annapurna: A.M.A. Expedition. 10-6
Annapurna: South Face. 10-6.12--24
Ben Nevis. 8-6
Berthartoii. 11--6
Buachaille Etive Mor. 8--6
Chomo Lhari. 10-6
Cima Grande. 12-8
Cima su Alto. 6-6
Ciste Dhubh. 8--6
Dhaulagiri 1. 3-7, 45, 8-7
Dhaulagiri 4. 8-7
Droites, Les, North Face- 12-8
Droites. Les, North Face/Spur. 12 8
Figer. 9-8
El Capitan. 1--6
Grand Capucin. 12--8
Grandes Jorasses. 5-6, 6-6
Half Dome, South Face. 2-5, 9--18
Huascaran. 7-2
Huascaran, Avalanche disaster, 10-6. 11--6
Lofoten Islands. 1 9
Makalu. 10 6
Malubiting West. 1-8
Matterhorn. 6-6
Mir Samir. 7--2
Mont Blanc. 6-6
Mont Blanc du Tacul. 6-6. 11 -8
Monte Rosa. 6-6
Mount Cleverland. 10--7
Mount Everest. 7-2. 8--7. 10 6
Mount McKinley. 10--6
Nanda Khat 11-6
Pic Sans Nom. 4-6
Piz Bernina. 12--9
Sasso Lungo. 9-9, 109
Cockermouth Mountain Rescue Tragedy. 4-7
Tom Patey's fatal accident. 10-9
acquistapace, Pier Lorenzo: Cerro Torre,
West Face attempt. 11-17 to 23
Adams, John: Borrowdale. 11-9
Adams, Nate (USA) : 1st ascents in the
Quebrada Carhauscancha area. 7-2
Adcock, Dave (NZ) : Yerupaja, South Face. 1--8
Addison (French) : Grandes Charmoz, West
Ridge. 1 st ascent. 12-8
Aeberli, Seigfried (Austrian) : Lhotse Shar.
1970 Expedition. 12-28
Ayner, Monte:
N. Face, list British ascent. 1-4
N. Face, solo ascent. 11-8
N. Face Direct, 1st ascent. 1 -4
N. Ridge, 1st British ascent. 6--5
Agner. Spiz d' : 2nd ascent of the
Castiglione/Detassis route. 11-8
etc-etc...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2008 - 02:34pm PT
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very cool Michael!
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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When looking for the indexes I found this letter from 1992: The falldown of Mountain Magazine:
Just thought it was a nice step then to transfer us subscribers to High Mag. I have payment out for 10 issues of Alpinist, and would be happy for ANY substitute. But - alas - that will not happend...
Michael
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2008 - 05:36pm PT
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I remember that... interestingly, I didn't keep any issues of High
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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It's pretty cool how well this forum works as a resource!
(Sorry about the overzealous nomination Steelmonkey: 'just blowing noodles through my nose per usual...)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2008 - 02:57am PT
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found this little bit in Montain 128 pages 7/8:
'Rush "the Fish" Walling established a route right of Tumbling Rainbow - Tonic Boom (5.12). Tic Toc Boom (5.12a, FA: Roy McClenahan) is right of Tonic Boom and start from Rainy Day Dream Away. Both of the Boom routes are on good quality, steep rock.'
Rush Walling is the index entry...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2009 - 06:37pm PT
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need some help on the Mountain index project.
Anyone who can fill in the blanks, please do!
Here is what I know about the issue dates:
Mountain, year, month
1, - , -
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17, 1971, September
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20, 1972, March
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22, 1972, July
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28, 1973, July
29, 1973,
30, 1973, November
31, 1974, January
32, 1974, February
33, 1974, March
34, 1974,
35, 1974,
36, 1974, June
37, 1974, July
38, 1974, September
39, 1974,
40, 1974,
41, 1975,
42, 1975,
43, 1975,
44, 1975,
45, 1975,
46, 1975,
47, 1976, January/February
48, 1976, March/April
49, 1976, May/June
50, 1976, July/August
51, 1976, September/October
52, 1976, November/December
53, 1977, January/February
54, 1977, March/April
55, 1977, May/June
56, 1977, July/August
57, 1977, September/October
58, 1977, November/December
59, 1978, January/February
60, 1978, March/April
61, 1978, May/June
62, 1978, July/August
63, 1978, September/October
64, 1978, November/December
65, 1979, January/February
66, 1979, March/April
67, 1979, May/June
68, 1979, July/August
69, 1979, September/October
70, 1979, November/December
71, 1980, January/February
72, 1980, March/April
73, 1980, May/June
74, 1980, July/August
75, 1980, September/October
76, 1980, November/December
77, 1981, January/February
78, 1981, March/April
79, 1981, May/June
80, 1981, July/August
81, 1981, September/October
82, 1981, November/December
83, 1982, January/February
84, 1982, March/April
85, 1982, May/June
86, 1982, July/August
87, 1982, September/October
88, 1982, November/December
89, 1983, January/February
90, 1983, March/April
91, 1983, May/June
92, 1983, July/August
93, 1983, September/October
94, 1983, November/December
95, 1984, January/February
96, 1984, March/April
97, 1984, May/June
98, 1984, July/August
99, 1984, September/October
100, 1984, November/December
101, 1985, January/February
102, 1985, March/April
103, 1985, May/June
104, 1985, July/August
105, 1985, September/October
106, 1985, November/December
107, 1986, January/February
108, 1986, March/April
109, 1986, May/June
110, 1986, July/August
111, 1986, September/October
112, 1986, November/December
113, 1987, January/February
114, 1987, March/April
115, 1987, May/June
116, 1987, July/August
117, 1987, September/October
118, 1987, November/December
119, 1988, January/February
120, 1988, March/April
121, 1988, May/June
122, 1988, July/August
123, 1988, September/October
124, 1988, November/December
125, 1989, January/February
126, 1989, March/April
127, 1989, May/June
128, 1989, July/August
129, 1989, September/October
130, 1989, November/December
131, 1990, January/February
132, 1990, March/April
133, 1990, May/June
134, 1990, July/August
135, 1990, September/October
136, 1990, November/December
137, 1991, January/February
138, 1991, March/April
139, 1991, May/June
140, 1991, July/August
141, 1991, September/October
142, 1991, November/December
143, 1992, January/February
144, 1992, March/April
145, 1992, May/June
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2009 - 06:45pm PT
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I'm looking for the following issues:
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,
11,12,13,14,15,16,18,19,
21,23,24,25,26,27,
34,35,39,
40,41,42,43,44,45,46,
50,51,52,53,56,57,58,59,
60,62,64,65,66,
70,72,73,76,77,78,79,
80,81,
93,96,
110
I'm willing to trade, one-for-one, any of the above with one of these issues:
95,98,99,
100,101,102,103,104,105,107,108,109,
111,112,115,117,118*,119
*118 does not have a front cover
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2009 - 06:47pm PT
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Hi Michael!
could you scan and OCR the first index?
I think I'll get the rest...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 29, 2009 - 01:19am PT
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I'm lucky enough to have every issue of Mountain, except #1 - #12, that is #13 - #145. And the indexes for #13 - #136, which I've just copied and sent to Ed so that he can scan them, and use OCR to convert them into something computer-friendly.
Did Mountain simply go out of business, or was there more of a story to it than that?
If it had kept publishing six issues/year, Mountain would now be up to #263 or so.
It was and is the only English-language climbing 'magazine' to have an index.
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 29, 2009 - 02:39am PT
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Sorry, Ed. I completely overlooked your request for scanned indexes. Probably too busy scanning old slides ...
Good you got them from Mighty.
Michael
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 29, 2009 - 02:44am PT
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Yes Riley,
Dhaulagiri is a great mountain. I've had the luck of circumventing it twice, one time in very nice weather and one in horrendous. My scanned slides are lousy - will do better during the next week and upload.
Here's village Takum in Myagdi Valley south of D. Very nice place.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 29, 2009 - 10:19am PT
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Hi Michael, just the first index... which you said, up thread, that you had done partially..
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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For more than 20 years I have had a "Mountain Magazine Mystery": My issue #113 has been missing from my 25-145 continious collection. Well, I counted it lost, got a photocopy from a friend, and lived happy.
Until today!
I have - as mentioned previously - borrowed a Nikon scanner, and is eating my way through 6000+ slides. I have come to a casette with portraits of different climbers I've met. Here is one of Dough Scott, worldfameous British climber. He visited Copenhagen in 1987 and stayed at my place.
Look what he is reading (together with my climbing buddies, Tobias, Magnus and Søren)!
We were talking about climbing in Norway (the very good book Norsk Fjellsport is visible as well), and M #113 has a long article about Norway.
Well, I have asked my friends (and I still see and climb with them all); they don't have my Mountain Mag.
So, dear agony aunt,
What should do?
Should I call him, and ask?
Go to Lake District / Cumbria, force my way into his house and look through his files?
Let the case rest?
Hm, I think I'll let it rest. But interesting still...
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Lasti
Trad climber
Budapest
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Hi Ed!
Are you still looking for the issue dates? I'll go through my Mountains and see what I can do, I guess I have quite a few, but not all of the earlies...
Best,
Lasti
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Michael, clearly you have to go kick his ass....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2009 - 09:37am PT
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anything you have Lasti would be a great help
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Lasti
Trad climber
Budapest
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Hi Ed!
Here's what I have that you need: (Issue #, Year, Month)
3 1969 May
4 1969 July
6 1969 November
7 1970 January
8 1970 March
9 1970 May
10 1970 July
11 1970 September
12 1970 November
13 1971 January
14 1971 March
15 1971 May
18 1971 November
19 1972 January
21 1972 May
24 1972 November
25 1973 January
26 1973 March
29 1973 September
34 1974 April
35 1974 May
39 1974 October
40 1974 November
41 1975 January
42 1975 March/April
43 1975 May/June
44 1975 July/August
45 1975 September/October
46 1975 November/December
I'd like to have all answers, believe me.
Going through the magazines I was happy to see that you have missing pieces mainly before 1975, because that was when the folks at Mountain decided to take the date off the cover and hide it inside the magazine (Issue #42 was the first), meaning taking off each magazine, going through it, taking the proverbial stroll down memory lane and reading a few passages as opposed to just glancing at the cover. Nevertheless, a mere glance at the iconic images portrayed there sufficed most of the time to persuade me into going through the magazine anyway.
(At least I noticed that I had my #38 and #39 mixed up. The HORROR!)
Ed, your little hobbies of indexing, collecting, filing etc. are great contributions to the climbing community. (As are Wide Wednesday TRs.)
Cheers!
Lasti
edit: sorry about the space delimitation, I see you used commas. Is this a problem? Should I care?
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Lasti
Trad climber
Budapest
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BUMP
Because I'm not sure whether Ed saw it the first time around...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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got it! thanks
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11worth
Trad climber
Leavenworth & Greenwater WA
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Jun 29, 2010 - 12:06am PT
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Ed,
I have the original index for Mountain 1-12.
I have all the original Mountain index series through Mountain 136.
I am going to forward copies to Steve Grossman. I can forward copies to you.
I have all of Mountain magazine except 1, which I have a low quality copy.
Plus I have many duplicate copies. I will take a look at your want list later. My e-mail is jim@bjwhite.net. Let me know where to send a copy of index 1-12.
Jim Phillips
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
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Thanks to Jim for the loan of his Index of 1-12...
all the published indices are now on served above...
I'm working on indexing 137-145 myself...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Could someone please tell me why I am listed in the index for issue #75 page 15?
I would have been being rebuilt in the hospital and not climbing.
My inquiring mind would really like to know.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Hey Ed... let me know if you have an updated list for issues you're looking to find. I have several duplicates and would be glad to help you fill out the collection.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
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thanks for the offer steelmnky... I'm relatively happy now with the only missing issues being: 1, 3, 4, and 6 with much thanks to Jim Phillips, Judy Wu and my dear wife Debbie...
and thanks to Anders and Jim Phillips for the Indices that I didn't have also...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 12:24am PT
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philo, you sure 75-15?
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Sorry Ed my mistake, I rechecked the index, It is 77-15.
I would really like to know what it is about.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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I'll scan the page sometime this week and post it up...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Thank you. You are not just a scholar. You sir are a gentleman.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Polynesian Paradise
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Aloha Ed,
I VERY MUCH appreciate the work you are doing on behalf of the climbing community, generally, and specifically on the Mountain Index Project. Since I was one of the editors for Mountain 4, the Yosemite Issue, I have an extra copy that I'd be honored if you would accept. I'd also inscribe my appreciation for your work and for your generally generous attitude here on the Taco Stand. If you already have acquired Mountain 4, I suggest that we (someone!) get a ton of signatures on my copy at the up-coming Nose Reunion and offer it to Y.C.A. for their next silent auction fund-raiser. And if some generous person (like Fattrad) wins the auction and can use the tax-deduction, he or she could then donate that copy to Y.C.A., perhaps to be auctioned again. Imagine sustainable financial support...
Ultimately, I'd like to collections such as yours and mine preserved in such a way that people can also appreciate the history that they represent. And you are doing just that. What goes around, comes around.
If other readers have ideas about preserving our collective climbing heritage, please feel free to share them here or on the other thread where ideas are being gathered:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1271817/Ancestors-Archiving-Crossings-of-California-T-R
Warm regards, Ken
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 08:29pm PT
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'Ano 'Ai BooDawg - thanks for the offer! I don't have Mountain 4 but your idea sounds great, of getting signatures, we've been through this with Marty(r)'s project (http://yosemiteclimber.blogspot.com/); with Yosemite Climber so he and Roger Breedlove would have some ideas about the auction, and raising money, etc...
I have a plan for the Mountain collection, we'll see how hard it is and how long it takes, but collecting is one thing, figuring out how to share the collection is an important part of the puzzle for me...
...so I'd love to have your copy for my collection, but I would like it even more if it did some good supporting a grand cause like Ken's YCA, or some other important climber institution...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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From Mountain 77
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BooDawg
Social climber
Polynesian Paradise
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Aloha Ed,
Since I cannot attend the Nose 2nd Ascent Reunion, I'll send you the copy of Mountain #4 if you PM me your snail mail address. In the meantime, I'll PM Roger and Ken Y. about this plan and get their input on it.
Will you be going to the Reunion? Could you be the one to solicit signatures on the Mountain 4?
Looking forward...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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I'm planning on being at the reunion....
..sent you my snailmail address
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oh the last pitch of I Can't believe It's a Girdle.
How funny I wonder who reported it. Certainly not me.
I never reported anything. Still it is good to clear that up.
Thank you Doc Touni for the hard work on the Mountain Index.
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adnix
Big Wall climber
Finland
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Nov 13, 2011 - 09:29am PT
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Thank you very very much for these indexes! I've had issues from 42 till the end for five years now. Finally I can use them to full potential!
Would you mind if I publish them on my site www.patagonia.fi? I'd like to share these as wide as possible if it's ok for you.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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adnix please feel free to use them, I believe that they are the work of a number of people and I'd like to keep the information as much in the public domain as possible...
Indexing is grueling work for me, and I've failed to make as much progress indexing from issue 136 to the end... but it is still a project I'm grinding through, so hopefully we'll have that too.
Please note that there are errors that are introduced in the process of scanning and recognizing text, as well as the original errors in both the indices and in Mountain (notorious misspellings of names most often).
I am working on combining all of the indices into a single index that spans the entire collection... stay tuned.
But by all means make use of the current indices... the relevance of Mountain is greater as time passes, not less.
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