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bernadette regan
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 3, 2008 - 06:51pm PT
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Joshua Tree National Park is reintroducing the Climbers' Coffee program. Join in on the opportunity to share your questions, concerns, and views about climbing related issues in the park with staff members and your own cohorts.
Be sure to bring your own mug. Coffee and conversation with rangers will be served from 8-10am.
Saturday, December 6 and 13 at 8am
Intersection Rock parking area near Hidden Valley Campground
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/planyourvisit/climbing.htm
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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I used to do climbers coffee, it was fun!
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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I remember the Campfire Circle coffees from the '70's thru the '80's and how it was the tools way to get to know everyone's face, (lest they need to boot them out...)
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TYeary
Mountain climber
Calif.
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I remember those coffee mornings!
They were way cool.
I will never forget the look on my partner face when Largo walked up and introduced himself. Don's hand was swallowed up by John's and I don't think Don washed his hand for several days thinking it would bring him better climbing.Ah....those were the days.
Tony
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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Tools just don't realize we know better. Can't screw me over AND be my friend in the same day.
If they want to get on our good side:
1. Quit climbing intersection rock by headlamp, late at night, in a party of 3, badly, and deny the climbers are actually rangers (no real climber is that retardedly slow), and don't send fatsos around revving their engines, driving like crazy, acting all agro at every flashlight (er, um, or spotlight) that gets shined at them. Retarded.
2. Stop sneaking up out of the rocks and bushes into peoples campsites without probable cause to search whatsoever. None of us were even using, carrying, or had in years.
3. Don't threaten us by driving around with fire engines with water cannons on new years eve. We saw how you pigs used those in the 60's.
4. Stop jacking us for $10/night, hassling/ticketing us after only 14 days, even when the place is half empty, and not even provide drinking water. Even Gitmo detainees get drinking water.
5. Don't hike ALL the way to obscure crags on a hunch that there is illegal guiding going on. There wasn't, you suck, and you had zero f*#king reason to even suspect there was illegal guiding going on!
6. Don't brag that you want to (illegally!) pull over everyone you see obeying the speed limit on New Year's because you are sure the only explanation for their law abiding behavior is fear of DUI arrest. It's illegal oinker, look it up!
Coffee, while well intentioned I'm sure, is just pissing in the desert.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Jesus!
I thought I was a radical.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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I'd settle for being able to find a fricking campsite compared to Moof's points.
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drljefe
climber
Calizona
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I think Moof's had enough coffee already.
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salad
climber
Escondido
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agree munge
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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oh no - now I'm torn! I was going to go. And I don't really have much to worry about with ranger's knowing my face. I guess I could take one for the team...show up and be the decoy. Lock my keys in the trunk of the car again and keep the rangers occupied....
OR - be subversive! Zabar's French Roast in Happie's campsite same bat time, same bat channel!!!
No, I won't do that. But on any other day, if anyone wants coffee, come and git it(except those f'in BET jerks from rc.com).
I just saw the climber coffee is at 8am. Too early.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"Don't threaten us by driving around with fire engines with water cannons on new years eve. We saw how you pigs used those in the 60's."
Remember that time that well known climber guy lit the blob on fire on new years eve by pouring white gas down the face? hmm... probably no correlation.
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drljefe
climber
Calizona
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Moof and Chris2- I'm right there with ya. I know the facts. I've done my time there, and I'm wide fu*king awake, as I, too, have had enough coffee.
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F10
Trad climber
e350
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What happened to wake and bake with a coldie
Where are the seventies??
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Steve, it wasn't the blob. It was a boulder in the camground, it caused zero harm, the LEO's overcharged him and lost in court and it is all history now.
I was there, saw it, posted about it, got eaten alive by a bunch of flamers who also said they saw it (differently.) I guess that is how those things are.
Last week I was in Ryan. The parking spot was designed to pull into at an angle. I camp in my truck, so I prefer to back in. So when I pull out, technically by 45 degrees, I am going the wrong way on a one way while I negotiate my 3 point turn. The ranger pulled me over as I left the CG for wrong way on a one way!!!!
No ticket. Just his idea of probable cause.
Piece of crap.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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If you do go, Happie, Just tell them that you're me. I'll cover(I'll tell them I'm you). Used to drive Lobo NUTS!!!!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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"Happie you don’t need to worry, you live amounst pavement each day in NY, the more pavement in the desert the “Happier” you will most likely be. So do not be torn, the pavers are moving fast in the desert. Soon you will be able to rent your RV and microwave your dinners right next to Crimpie. So pay your fees and your homage to what once was in Josh (and have just one drink, those meetings must get tiresome)."
Gee- thanks for the insult, C2!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Santa - Is a 3 point turn in a campground somehow equivavalent to child abuse??? WTF??
I also agree with many of your points.
I do not intent to be bold. Rather, if you read my earlier account, can you support the Ranger's action?
I have had several interactions with this same person. One was in Indian Cove. We were camping "light" out of our Porsche BoxterS, which has a mid engine and therefore trunks fore and aft. Ranger Man (yes, the same one who pulled me over for wrong way in Ryan) sees both ends open, comes over and starts looking through our vehicle. I get up and approach him, and he says "we have to impound your vehicle to figure out where the engine is.."
If he was trying to be funny, he came up short.
While he continues to snoop. I walked up and closed the front and rear trunks and it was over.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Most of the rangers in Joshua Tree are really cool and friendly;......especially the older ones who know the locals and respect the fact that we love the Park more than anyone probably should.....They love the Park too, and find it quite interesting that some of us can't get enough of the place.....I don't know some of the young guns;.....just as well,......they have some exploring themselves to do;......I say, camp outside the Park and climb in far flung corners of the Park;.....then you can say as I do......Rangers?...what Rangers?......hating cops is so universal and yesterday's news;...and everyone has stories of getting "tooled"..........I'd rather be invisible than give them the opportunity to " be cool "....with any situation with me . .....I hardly ever see rangers.....heck;..I hardly ever see anyone where we go......Joshua Tree is a lonely place......
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Todd - I always appreciate your cool head and mellow approach to all things...
You are a champ.
I will try to learn, but still I am worked up by these things...
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Dwain
Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
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"Remember that time that well known climber guy lit the blob on fire on new years eve by pouring white gas down the face?"
I don't remember the Blob, Steve, but I remember
when some Alien Life Force lit up Pinched RIB
on New Years in the late 80s.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Pulling me over for going the wrong way on a one way when it is the only way to pull out of my camp site is not what I would call enforcing the law...
Jeez. Now I am getting emails about this from avatars..
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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InsideNPS > Parks > Joshua Tree National Park
Follow-up on Convictions
By Curt Sauer, Acting Superintendent
May 16, 2003
The Morning Report contained two earlier articles earlier this spring concerning an incident in which two visitors caused the exploding of white gas on a rock formation and then ignited it. Citations were issued, convictions obtained, and sentencing imposed. The following is a correction/retraction. The earlier articles shall be deleted and any recipients of the earlier articles are directed to dispose of them: Two visitors, Jonathan Thesanga and Erin Whorton, were cited for a violation of 36 CFR 2.13 (a) (5), fires lighted or smoldering material being discarded in a manner to create a public hazard, and not arson or vandalism of natural resources as erroneously reported in an earlier item for igniting white gas on a rock formation in Hidden Valley Campground on New Years Eve. Joshua Tree National Park has historically been a popular gathering spot for outdoor enthusiasts during Christmas and New Years holidays. During the 2002 holiday, all park campgrounds and facilities were full. While patrolling the Hidden Valley campground after dark on New Years Eve, rangers Tim Bertrand and Scott Fischer saw two people on a rock formation above the campground. After hearing the distinctive sound of a tin white gas container hitting the rock, they observed a large fire erupt on the face of the formation. The rangers apprehended them as they climbed down the back of the formation. They were subsequently identified as Jonathan Thesenga and Erin Whorton. Both were cited for violation of 36 CFR 2.13 (a) (5), a misdemeanor petty offense. On April 4th, Thesenga and Whorton appeared in federal court and each plead guilty. Thesenga was sentenced to five years unsupervised probation, banned from entering the park for five years, and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine. Thesenga’s legal counsel advised in correspondence to the National Park Service that his client "takes full responsibility for his actions and accepts the punishment" and that his client "has been and continues to be profoundly remorseful for the incident." Whorton apologized to the court and the park staff present for her actions, and was sentenced to a $500 fine, three years’ unsupervised probation, and banned from entering the park for a period for three years.
There's the text from that link didn't realize it wouldn't work like i had planned!
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salad
climber
Escondido
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'I just saw the climber coffee is at 8am. Too early. '
thats funny happie, i was thinking way to late. who can hold ouy until 8am for coffee? my god the horror.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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For the record…
I have been a regular visitor at Joshua Tree Nat Monument and Park since the early 1980’s (before then I lived in NYC and was relegated to seasonal climbing back east.)
During this span of 25 or so years, I have had a lot of interaction with Park Rangers. I have worked with them to rescue injured climbers. They have helped me when all the stuff in my campsite was moved to the nearest dumpster by poachers. There have been other incidents as well. I count several past and current Rangers as among my friends.
One of these gentlemen emailed me last night and suggested (based on my comments in this thread) that I am paranoid, that no Ranger is out to get me. I will take his cue, and quit the negative posts about Rangers. Rangering is a tough job, but someone has to do it, and I would be lousy at it… I apologize if I have offended.
If I am around at coffee time count me in. I’ll be the one with the biggest smile…
Yeah sure, I have been pulled over a few times in Josh but it has never amounted to anything. Never got a ticket. Always polite. Anyway no one is perfect – especially me…
Of course the coin does have two sides. Some heavy handed tactics have been used in the past. The lockdown of HVCC at New Years 2002 comes to mind. Hopefully those days are behind us…
Cheers,
Kris
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TYeary
Mountain climber
Calif.
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Well said, Todd.
I have a very warm spot for the "old days". Josh was lonely then too, just in a better way. Kris, point well taken. I have had a similar expeirence. I just take it hand in hand with the times. I look back at those coffee mornings with fondness. I guess I was too involved with "being there" and the climbing to let a little BS ruin my day. Agreed, things have become a bit more draconian now, but I still go.
Tony
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Hey Happie, what campsite you staying at?
Oh, I like mah coffee black, strong, and hot (marnin yinz!). And I lost my favorite mug, so please have a klean one waiting for me. 7:30 sound good? Grate, see you then.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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If I'm sleeping on the ground, in the short days of winter, and someone else has it ready and warm, 8a.m. is an okay time for coffee. Otherwise I will sleep later (project permitting) and grind my own Peets™.
The only tool who ever hassled me, in a National Park like setting, was Col Sanders @ Deto in '76.
Over the years, we were able to work beyond that.
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Yeah, me too. I usually don’t get out of the sack until 10:30 or 11:00.. unless nature calls, if you know what I mean. The ole bladder just ain’t what she used to be. I’ll head to town for some coffee and a bran muffin, hit up the WiFi and see if any of my old cronies are reminiscing of the halcyon days on SuperTopo. Drop a bit of spray about how hard I used to pull down, maybe coddle some n00b. Then it’s all engines go, after the bran muffin kicks in and I hit the flush toilets… then straight to the proj by 3:00, have a go or two, and call it day.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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BET you know me too well.
;)
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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I dunno, by 3 the sun be getting in your eyes...
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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"Have you ever tried to be cool and talk to any of them? They are not your enemy. You are your own worst enemy."
Yes, I've talked with several. Some of the ones that seemed very reasonable for years completely tooled out later on.
Jimmy for example tooled out regarding behavior at New Years, popping out of rocks from the back of our campsite "casually". He's also the fellow who was talking whistfully about pulling over people for driving at the speed limit.
A different, and very nice, ranger was the one who tromped nearly a mile to try and bust us for illegal guiding on a hunch (we were not guiding, or doing anything else illegal).
The agro fat ranger at the intersection rock incident kept spewing lies (funny ones) about being a climber, and saying how rude he found it when people shined lights on him when he climbed in the dark (WTF?). Hard to have a civil conversation with an agro dude who keeps making blatent lies.
So yes, I've talked with them, and often it is the nice ones that turn out to be the worst tools. Part of their schtick to be overly nice to get info I guess?
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"The agro fat ranger at the intersection rock incident kept spewing lies (funny ones) about being a climber, and saying how rude he found it when people shined lights on him when he climbed in the dark (WTF?). Hard to have a civil conversation with an agro dude who keeps making blatent lies."
What did he lie about?
And Jimmy is a cool dude, a very honest man, he would never pull someone over for going the speed limit (as long as they weren't weaving). I bet if we heard the whole conversation, it would have been obvious he was trying to make a joke. saying things like this really make you sound like a tool.
And as for the illegal guiding thing, maybe someone reported that you were illegally guiding, he had to check into it, he was nice about you say. So whats the deal man? rangers cant be aggro, they cant be friendly, the cant crack a joke? what should they do?
WTF?
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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S.Powers,
All rangers must be angels, just my fault I witnessed schister behavior...
Yes, Jimmy mostly strikes me as a very nice, reasonable guy. He has some odd social skills, some of which is him trying (and failing) to apply whatever psychobabble he got during training. Hard to say without knowing him off the clock. But, it doesn't change the fact that I've seen him flip a switch and totally tool out.
In the case in question he was clearly targetting our site (yes we had folks who's faces they know frequenting our site), and at the time he popped out of the boulders and tried to casually strike up a conversation he got the 3 tea-totallers of the group hanging at the fire ring in our post lunch stupor (just food coma). We found it very odd and basically only responded with yes/no, as we really don't like chatting with creaps that sneak up from behind us from the rocks, no matter who gave the wierdo a shiny piece of metal for hsi jacket. So as he is clearly struggling to keep things going, he switches to talking about booze (probably hoping to pump for information about possible kegs on intersection rock). So as his one sided conversation sputtered along, he drops the comment about wanting to pull over anyone who is driving at or below the limit that night, as surely they'll be DUI. We had to complete a sentence at that point, and reminded him that his proposed action was illegal and unconstitutional. It did not phase him. I'm convinced that most cops, rangers, and politicians have never read the constitution, or at the best only skimmed the "good" parts.
As for agro fatso "climber" ranger dude, if you weren't there that night, you'd never believe the story. It was either 2004 or 2005, my memory fails me. Keystone cops would have been jealous of the circus show. The agro cop outright denied the climbers were witht he rangers, and constantly claimed they would be dealt with. It was one of the many lies. We just had fun with our stashed spot lights making agro dude go all Dukes of Hazard around the place trying to finger who was illuminating the rock... My favorite bit was my friend WS (aka TP) who snuck over and sat on a curb and leaned against a rock. Rangerette almost tripped on him and realy freaked, but as he was simply sitting against a rock next to the parking lot his actions were not illegal or threatening. I can't do justice to the conversation, but her chain was duly yanked.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
the campfire just a ways past Chris' Taco stand
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Classic story, Locker... or is that: Classic Locker story?
Anyway, I guess this guy didn't like his ticket:
HowToGetJailTimeForASpeedingTicket:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoEKcPdvg6A
Probably felt good for about 8 seconds. :-)
Fletch
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"All rangers must be angels, just my fault I witnessed schister behavior..."
No, your just another paranoid guy thats out of touch with reality, Im done talking to you, you didnt answer my questions and are obviously just a troll or an utter moron.
I firmly belive you are a tool, a firm one at that!
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Steve has a lot of experience with firm tools!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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SWEET link, there, Fletcher!!!
Hilarious!ROTFLMAO!!!
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Russ the 2008 reversion of the department manual 99.2(2)had that section moved to page 400293 section 7 subsection 6(c) paragraph 1a. Director order #7689 entitled "The Green Gestapo:your guide to tooling climbers" had this to say about climbers coffee in general.
"...Before the trap is sprung you must set up your victims with a promise of warm coffee, this always gets them. Have your face and voice recognition equipment updated with the latest NCIC software, also make sure the kite with the photo equipment is at the proper altitude, and the wind speed is adequate enough to keep it flying in the least conspicuous way possible. If this is not possible, convince the climbers that the kite is being flown by one of their own, post some of the photos on popular rock climbing websites to further build their trust. Once a climber steps on one of the many pressure sensors that you have set up around your tent, the voice recognition software will start deciphering the victims voice for possible identification, once this begins turn the subject to face the direction of the kite so a positive ID can be made. You will need to pretend to know something of this activity known as "rock climbing" examples of fail proof terms will be added in an upcoming addendum. remember these "climbers" have been known to make primate calls to communicate with one another, the purpose of climbers coffee is to learn this language, once this information is gleaned we will better be able to tool climbers..."
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"...further more these images can be used for gathering other information on climbers, such as their breeding habits and daily drum circle intake. (see example A above)..."
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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S.Powers,
that's classic!
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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Super funny,SPowers.
"Possibly a cross between Romaine & Iceberg".
Classic.
Haha.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Seems like the only rangers I see in JT are in the box taking fees, or scraping some remains of the latest motorcylist-c#m-pin cushion out of the sand at the tight left-hander way out near the 29P entrance. But then again, I don't camp or spend my evenings there either.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Strange that the local paranoids and anti-authority adolescents haven't wondered (yet) about what the rangers put in the coffee, or perhaps in the water at certain climbers' camps. In addition to Peet's, that is. Fluoride? (The chemical.) Saltpeter? LSD? Laxatives? Uppers? Downers? Viagra?
Come to think of it, maybe they already do.
If you want to control a populace, just control its source of drinking water. Elementary strategy.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Or you might end up on the top of El Cap, approached by some friendly "climbers" who turn out to be tools, and confiscate your drill...or something like that, eh Coz?
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Never pass up on the free coffee.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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You blew it Jebus, get the free coffee then walk away.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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One can never have enough caffeine, especially when climbing in Josh!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Boy, I'd rather be in Josh drinking their coffee than be stuck
in my cube, like I am. . .
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com wrote:
"Hey Happie, what campsite you staying at?
Oh, I like mah coffee black, strong, and hot (marnin yinz!). And I lost my favorite mug, so please have a klean one waiting for me. 7:30 sound good? Grate, see you then."
Sunday evening I came to my campsite to find my picnic table chalked up with a message from the BET.
While this has nothing to do with "Climber coffee and the rangers," it has EVERYTHING to do with harrassment from these pigs which has now come to the poin where they physically invade my personal boundaries. You were SPECIFICALLY invited NOT to enter my campsite, and yet you did.
I assume it was Zeke(Jebus H Bomz here on STopo and Zeke_SF on rc.com) and Ryan Kelly(Mt. Project/real name, rc.com user Arrogant_Bastard, Superopto username, unknown). I believe this vbecause:
1) Who the F else would be so concerned with my life as to harrass me in such a way
2) Because Zeke posted to rc.com that the 2 of you would be in JTree this last weekend.
I have had it with you f'ers and this bullsh#t. STOP IT.
I have let Jay at rc know your latest, escaleted, level of harrassment. I will let Chris Mac here know as well. If your behavior does not stop, I actually DO have some rexourse I can take, and I am fairly certain you will not like it.
Back to the coffee/ranger thread.....
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arwen
Sport climber
south
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cute of you, happie, to post A_B's name in the forum on a hunch when he wasn't within HOURS of your campsite.
you got pranked with some chalk on your picnic table. get over it. you are completely delusional if you think that is evidence of intent of real harm.
maybe if they'd written "die, bitch," but i believe it was: "bet jerks wuntz free koffee or hel1s lunger 4u".
you give as good as you get, happievictimcrrrd.
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Paulina
Trad climber
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Hey Bernadette! Are you a ranger at JT now?
Hope life's treating you well.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Did the message on the picnic table in your campsite look anything like this?
It's what's called a prank. It's chalk on a coffee table. Untwist them panties.
Also, you should apologize to those other fellows you libeled above and delete that part of your post, because they had nothing to do with it.
drama, drama, drama...
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GDavis
Trad climber
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if she doesn't like getting bugged, don't do it. Doesn't matter if it wasn't a serious prank or not. C'mon guys, this isn't rocket science. Just ignore her.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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I don't drink coffee, but i still attended.
I talked with the rangers for awhile.
There were quite a few other climbers there.
Pretty laid back conversation.
I have never had any problems with rangers, but then again i don't believe that i give them a reason to have a negative relationship with me.
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camhead
Trad climber
Yewtah
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wait... Happie, you are at Jtree, but you took the time to sit in front of a computer, post-stalk Zeke and A_B on rc.com, PM the administrators of two sites, and then post about it on here? When you could have been climbing, or hiking, or just sitting out in the desert? I think you need to go back to NYC, where stupid petty sh#t like that actually matters.
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Fingercrack
Trad climber
Just left of there
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you can take the girl out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the girl.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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one of the rangers asked for advice on how to improve climber/ranger relationships.
I suggested including alcohol in the coffee. I also said that if they ever confiscate something that they think might be reefer, that they should bring it to the coffee session for testing done by the climbers.
They thought that was pretty funny.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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wait... Happie, you are at Jtree, but you took the time to sit in front of a computer, post-stalk Zeke and A_B on rc.com, PM the administrators of two sites, and then post about it on here? When you could have been climbing, or hiking, or just sitting out in the desert? I think you need to go back to NYC, where stupid petty sh#t like that actually matters.
Or you all could stop being A-holes and leave her alone?
just sayin...
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camhead
Trad climber
Yewtah
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"Or you all could stop being A-holes and leave her alone?"
what do you mean, "leave her alone?" I'm about 1700 miles away from Jtree. And if I was there, I would not be freaking out about a webspeak message left on a fricking picnic table.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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so your 1700 miles away an the only productive thing you can do is web stalk someone?
Maybe your jealous?
Hell im 2750 miles away! I can admit it, im jealous of all you people climbing in jtree!
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Chris2
Trad climber
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More photo’s please! This could play out as a scene from “Alice's Restaurant.”
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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More volunteers still needed for social trail mapping.
As of Nov 25 they were about half done with the mapping.
After that the restoration work will start.
http://alliedclimbers.org/volunteer.php
FriendsofJosh are also helping.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Dec 10, 2008 - 06:12pm PT
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Thanks guys for all the new route name suggestions. There are a few great ones so far, perhaps enough to afix an entire new crag:
eg: Untwist Them Panties (5.9+). It is definitely coming to a JT crag soon.
You got to love the Internet drama.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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Dec 10, 2008 - 06:15pm PT
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That's a perfect name for a Josh Route.
Surprised there's knott one already.......
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Dec 10, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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Of course Jeremy Handren has inspired some real winners too:
Crusty Old Neverwere's (5.9+)
Feeding My Shriveled Ego (5.8+)
Shredding Hapless Newbies (5.10c)
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Dec 10, 2008 - 06:43pm PT
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The BET Pissed in my Wheaties, Now I Can't Send Breakfast of Champions (5.8-)
Shits Pants in Rage (5.10b)
No Coffee for You Jerks! (5.8)
I'm Writing A Letter to Barak Obama (5.11)
5.6 Climbers Against Hangdogging (5.3)
I Come Here Once A Year, That Makes me a Local (5.6)
Some Guy on the Internet Made Fun Of Me (5.9)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Dec 10, 2008 - 08:10pm PT
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so, it is Caughtinside who's the as#@&%e.
I will NOT delete Ryan Kelly's name from that post. He has been harrassing me now for about two years, attempting to disparage my name. And while he may want to keep his identity anonymous on rc.com/supertopo, my username is pretty much synonymous with my real person. Every climber who knows me does know that I am Happiegrrrl.
If it's all one big funny joke, it really shouldn't matter much if people know whom it is who has been hassling me on a consistent basis all this time.
So - f*#k him and the rest of you too. I Do apologize for getting it wrong when I wrote I ASSUMED it was he and Zeke, and the reasons I made the assumption, if he in fact wasn't there. Big f*#king deal. Get over it.
Whether it is all one big joke to you, clausti CiS, and whomever else - it is NOT a joke to me.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Dec 10, 2008 - 08:24pm PT
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Dec 10, 2008 - 08:27pm PT
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Ummm....
WOW!!!
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Dec 10, 2008 - 08:34pm PT
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Happy is a Synonym for Melodramatic? (5.7)
Going on a Roadtrip, Hope they Have WiFi (5.5)
[madface] (5.4)
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albatross
Trad climber
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Dec 10, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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"""so, it is Caughtinside who's the as#@&%e.
I will NOT delete [omitted] name from that post. He has been harrassing me now for about two years, attempting to disparage my name. And while he may want to keep his identity anonymous on rc.com/supertopo, my username is pretty much synonymous with my real person. Every climber who knows me does know that I am Happiegrrrl.
If it's all one big funny joke, it really shouldn't matter much if people know whom it is who has been hassling me on a consistent basis all this time.
So - f*#k him and the rest of you too. I Do apologize for getting it wrong when I wrote I ASSUMED it was he and Zeke, and the reasons I made the assumption, if he in fact wasn't there. Big f*#king deal. Get over it.
Whether it is all one big joke to you, clausti CiS, and whomever else - it is NOT a joke to me. """
Wow happie, wow.
For what my lurking eyes are worth, you would happen to bring much of this crap upon yourself. You never seem to shut up about how Awesome you are, and plainly between here and the knob you never seem to understand why there are many people who don't really care for you. Guess you never will either.
Route Name - I kant climb 5.6 cause I'm AWESOME (5.10-)
If your ability was as large as your ego, you wouldn't be the joke that you are. Because. you. are. a. joke.
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arwen
Sport climber
south
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Dec 10, 2008 - 10:48pm PT
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"Whether it is all one big joke to you, clausti CiS, and whomever else - it is NOT a joke to me."
see the thing is, is nobody can figure out why it ISN't a joke to you. just so that we're being very clear, it most definitely is a joke to everyone else.
and no matter how many times you yell "harassment," the internet can't fire people.
PS, and this is honestly an attempt to help, if you just killfiled a couple of people, your "problem" would go away. they poke you because you scream.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Where are YOU from?
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Dec 10, 2008 - 11:46pm PT
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So, I guess this means the coffee is all gone, then?
%#@*&^%!!!
Ah, well.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 12:04am PT
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slobmonster
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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Dec 11, 2008 - 12:06am PT
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Discretion is a two-way relationship. We all *really* need to tone down the BS, and the BS will (very reliably) start to tone its bad self down, too.
(And this is relevant in the context of climber-Ranger relations, plus all the other quaint BS going on around here. And I had thought RC.com had died a quiet death...)
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 12:15am PT
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 03:43pm PT
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Letters of Rec from Internet Personalities (5.9)
Not as Innocent as She Seems (5.12c)
Being Outspoken is a Two Way Street (5.11a)
Cry Me a River Argentina (5.4)
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 04:36pm PT
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Damn... Joshua Tree and that fun lovin communal feel camping there seems to have departed. Rather than silly 'hazing and other childish antics," people run to town to type their gripes on Supertaco?!
Sad.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 04:53pm PT
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Dance of the Boo Hoo Masters (5.12-)
Wings of Squeal (5.7)
eThugs in Harmony (5.10c)
Call the Waahmbulance (5.8 R/X)
I Met My Dad on Match.com (5.9)
Popcorn and Prostitutes (5.11A) Located on Mongoloid Valley Wall
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albatross
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 04:55pm PT
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I am sure that Terri is a "nice" person. But she's that nice person that we're all nice to because there is no other recourse. Kind of like that pity acquaintance; you can't not be cordial and nice, because they are everywhere all the time.
When she gets all wound up over something she doesn't seem to realize when to just shut up; and instead professes her goodness all over the place. Read the rc.noob threads.
Route name - I'm AWESOME at all of that (5.8)
Transcontinental Local (5.10+)
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BET Jerk from RC dot Com
climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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"Damn... Joshua Tree and that fun lovin communal feel camping there seems to have departed. Rather than silly 'hazing and other childish antics," people run to town to type their gripes on Supertaco?! "
No, it's still there. This isn't there, this is the internet.
Much like public interest in baseball if we brought back the prohibition, internet chat forum popularity would dwindle if people weren't forced into an office for a set amount of time each day instead of basing it off of work productivity. I don't even turn my cell phone on when I'm out on a road trip or for the weekend. I sure as hell wouldn't go to the library to see what the cyber community is getting their panties in a twist about.
Bored at Work (5.2)
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:22pm PT
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Well that is good to hear. Thanks for restoring some faith in what the true Joshua Tree experience is meant to be.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:23pm PT
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Do I hear a hundred? One hundred? YES, we have a hundred. One oh one? One oh one?
Albatross says "Read the rc.noob threads"
No thanks, I'm good.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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i must see this thread.
confessions of a net cafe addict (5.11-)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:54pm PT
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Internet Toughguy 5.2 R/X
Textual Harassment 5.11b
The Sound of One Hand Typing 5.12c X
Monument-al Clusterf*#k 5.8+
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Dec 11, 2008 - 05:57pm PT
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"Textual Harassment 5.11b"
HAHAHAHA!!!
Its the textual harassment panda
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 06:05pm PT
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damn too much to read...
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tradgirl
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Dec 11, 2008 - 06:28pm PT
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It's a pretty good thing that there's too much to read. That way her not-so-innocent provocations will stay well hidden. Not saying that she's never been picked on, that wouldn't be accurate. However, she does come in and poke the animals and then scream harassment when they poke back.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Dec 11, 2008 - 06:33pm PT
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And a vest is just sweater with no sleeves.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2008 - 06:59pm PT
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Ship of Fools, Thread of Idiots (5.8)
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Dec 11, 2008 - 09:50pm PT
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DIE THREAD, DIE (5.9+)
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bernadette regan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2008 - 10:51am PT
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FREE COFFEE WILL CONTINUE through the winter on both Saturdays and Sundays.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Dec 15, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
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Anyone know anything about the accidents in Josh this weekend?
Apparently there were two accidents (falls, as the personality-less gate ranger said) off the Barker Dam Road, just before you get to the Wonderland parking area. A ton of emergency crew and NPS there. Also an empty school bus! Yikes!
Yesterday afternoon, something went down in Rattlesnake Canyon. We were climbing in Indian Cove, when Kris saw some guy hauling ass out of the camping area, and heard him punch it down the road. A few short minutes later, firetruck, ranger and paramedic went back into Rattlesnake Canyon...
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Dec 15, 2008 - 08:41pm PT
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Hey Nef
You in JT? I'm living 1/2mile from the park entrance, let's hang. . .DF
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 15, 2008 - 08:44pm PT
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Wow. Zippered gear on R V Crack.
I figured the ambulances were headed back to the rattlesnake cyn trailhead, but that spot is on the way...
I hope the fallen climber is ok.
Did it zip from the bottom up (as in belayer is standing out from the base) or top down (as in leader placed poor gear) or both?
Folks got to learn skills. I do not mean to offend but there is no good reason for pulling gear in a fall on that climb. Period.
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