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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 17, 2008 - 02:04pm PT
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I have guns from a dozen countries, and from my own native land offerings from a host of manufacturers, but since 1981 I've always had more Rugers than any.
Its hard to say why, but the fact that my first two still function flawlessly may be a clue.
Still it is more than the robustness of the design that does it. Economy, originality, and outstanding customer service figure as well.
My most recent is one of the short barreled Mini-14s.
I swapped out the stock for a Butler Creek (yeah, I know, no riding in an APC, but when stuffing a two seater kraut sled with ordnance then compactness can count), and I sent in the coupon for 3 factory 20 rounders with a personal check for $60.
That was 6 days ago and the package was in my box from AZ this morning. Obviously they didn't wait for the check to clear.
Rugers rock!
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:07pm PT
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What's a check? Sound familiar...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:10pm PT
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Ah hah, I can finally post to one of your gun threads cause I actually have a Ruger Mini-14 223 Cal.
Edit: Can you tell this morning I'm putting off going to work...today's marketing day. Drum up some business. Say, anyone sick out there ?....My problem is I always hope NOT !
Peace (and guns ?!, whoops!) Lynne ...just use em for protection, trap/target and the occasional food.
Edit: deleted commets about the Ruger, have it but I was thinking of the Sauer P 232. Ruger is bigger.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:16pm PT
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My old landlord in Laramie had a pistol, made in '76 and down the bottom of the barrel it said, "Made in the 200th year of America's freedom".
I think it was a Ruger, does that sound right? Got any like that?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 02:22pm PT
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Ruger Mark II Bicentennial limited edition (didn't the mags have a red logo instead of black?)
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Lightgirl
climber
Mendocino, Ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:34pm PT
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I used to have a Ruger riffle. I'd target shoot once in a while but I don't hunt. I tried to scare off a mountain lion with it one time but I just pissed it off.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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Thanks, Ron, I don't remember if I saw the mags or not. The significance would have been lost on me, though.
The internet, and supertaco are amazing, just ask the right person and all kinds of weird info is out there.
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BoKu
Trad climber
Douglas Flat, CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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I've always been a big fan of the simplicity and ingenuity Ruger brings to their products.
I still have a 10/22 carbine that I bought used in 1976 to replace a Marlin autoloader of about the same size and function. I'd gotten the Marlin new two years earlier, and the action was just about completely worn out in a year and a half. The serial numbers date the 10/22 to 1967, and it still works quite well.
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Indianclimber
Trad climber
Lost Wages
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:50pm PT
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Home protection weapon?? Handgun?shotgun? any suggestions
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 02:52pm PT
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Ruger 375 H&H
I can put 5 rounds in 2 holes at 150yds.
Thats a good gun!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 02:57pm PT
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Said it before;
if you need to move from room to room at night you need a handgun, a flashlight, and a third hand to open doors.
Solution;
a handgun with light attached.
If you are alone or have everyone with you in the room, position yourself between them and the door with your scattergun and cover it.
A shotgun is deployed like artillery;
from a fixed position into a known field of fire.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 02:59pm PT
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Oh, and now that I have two spare 10/22s I plan on getting one of those gatling gun kits.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:00pm PT
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Must...resist...temptation...to...bait...gun...nuts.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 03:01pm PT
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Wait a minute Ghoul, how big are the two holes?
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:01pm PT
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night sites on the gun you keep near the bed ain't bad either ;-)
hehe folding stock - i seem to recall you telling me not to swap mine out for such a beast...
love the mini 14. want another. want one with the magic 1/3/go switch too...
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:02pm PT
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The Super Soaker is the only weapon you'll ever need... see http://www.hasbro.com/supersoaker/ for details. That should put an end to this 'Field & Stream' type OT thread...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 03:07pm PT
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Hasbro is about as effective as a coconut head.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 03:13pm PT
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Pagan,
I already have two with nonfolders, and the folder makes the "short" advantage more pronounced.
Also, "night sights" is a misnomer born of verbal facility.
The proper term is "low light sights".
If it is truly dark what good will seeing your sights do? (for you that is. For your opponent to see where YOU are they are very good.)
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:14pm PT
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The Coconut Head as well as the Hasbro Super Soaker are thoroughly proven to be effective offensive and defensive weapons. Also on this list is the flaming dog shite bag. When ignited and thrown properly, this truly dibilitates your opponent.......
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 03:24pm PT
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"dibilitates" your opponent?
Apparently using it often adversely affects cognitive skills,.. lol
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:38pm PT
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naw - its just nice to know exactly where the business end is pointing...i like them...
and hey now - this place needed a gun thread...
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:38pm PT
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I've got a Mark-II 7MM Mag that I'm selling. Stainless with synthetic stock. It's too big for White tails. Also have a Leupold VariX 3x9 compact (silver) that I could be convinced to sell with the gun.
Prod.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:43pm PT
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The size of the bullet... Ok so the hole may be slightly enlarged by the susequent entries.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 03:48pm PT
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Just funin' ya Ghoul.
Good combo for elk or moose, Prod.
Which Vari-X?
Anybody check out the latest American Rifleman? Some good stuff. Neat pic of the 51 year old P-210, the Benke-Thieman stocks on the Astra 400 are far out, news of the Rossi-Taurus merge, and the first time I've seen a trigger group make the cover shot.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 03:55pm PT
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Let's see, two Blackhawks, one in .41 mag 6" barrel, one in .32 H&R mag 4 5/8" barrel. One Single six .22 with 8 3/4" barrel. One Redhawk .44 mag with 6" barrel. One 10/22 with a weaver scope. Had an old .44 carbine and a Mini-14. Almost had a 77 varmiter in 25-06. Fine examples of American made quality firearms.
Go ahead Anders, let it fly, we can take it. I promise I won't take it personally. Sticks and stones and bullets....
Edit- Haven't received the AR yet. A fine publication. I just got my first Taurus this summer. Another .41 mag.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Nov 17, 2008 - 04:05pm PT
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I've owned a number of Ruger arms over the years.. I like a number of Ruger's revolvers quite a bit. Particularly, the single action versions. Their Red Label Shotguns are superb. Of course, the No.1 is legendary.
Most other things they make, I can think of numerous other manufacturer's guns that are superior and preferred by most. Some of their semi-auto handguns are nice, but usually have bulky grips so you feel like you're holding a 2x4. They also usually lack the feel of quality. They feel cheap and plasticy frequently. Kind of like the difference between a Nikon camera and a Canon camera. The mini-14's have always sucked. They've never been anywhere near accurate, even when cold. And once they warmed up, things got really interesting. The same was true of the mini 30, as well.
Haven't used any of the new Ranch Rifle variations of the re-vamped Mini's. I'm sure a heavy barrel would help with accuracy, provided it's bedded properly. You have experience with the new/re-vamped versions, Ron?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 04:09pm PT
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The greatest Rugers list;
Mark II, best can and pest plinker
10-22, best autoload 22lr
Mini-14, if it had come out 5 years earlier it would no doubt have served as our service rifle into this millennium.
PC4, if I lived in Kalifornia this 10 round .40cal police carbine would be my front line. Mine has a Millet red dot (and a P94 that eats the same mags). Funny how a PC can be pc.
Super Blackhawk, a .44 you can hammer nails with
Redhawk .45Colt with 6", (with +P ammo) what I would carry in bear country (but Anders can't)
Red label shotguns, worth every penny, a good investment if cared for.
and their rifles put meat in the stewpot
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 04:14pm PT
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Mini 14s don't have long range but their utility/reliability make them topnotch. (Note I did not include Mini-30s, and if you look carefully my list only mentions the P-94 which, although the most ergonomic of their pistols, is still too boxy for me, Nef.)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 17, 2008 - 04:15pm PT
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11 out of 29 posts so far by PitonRon... It's as bad as my thread about climbing at Squamish. :-)
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Nov 17, 2008 - 04:16pm PT
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Also have a Ruger Red Label Clays edition. For the money, about a grand less than a Centori, this is the finest O/U out there, IMO. But it is all about the fit with shotguns.
Prod.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 04:19pm PT
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So Anders, do you just wear a cowbell?
(and that makes a dozen)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 04:22pm PT
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Anders, maybe you can defend yourself home alone but I like my handgun next to my bed. I live in the country. Better not enter my casa without an invite ! Seriously.
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adam d
climber
CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 04:29pm PT
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My girlfriend and I both have 10/22's that are a blast (and cheap) to shoot. Too bad the lead-free ammo ban here will prevent me from bagging any rabbits with them anymore. I think .22lr hunting of game species should have been exempt from the ban Condor ban. The Ruger Mini-14's tempt me a little bit but I probably won't make that leap any time soon.
Not that I'd know about it here in CA, but the LCP recall seems to be a bit of a debacle. That plus the SR9 recall for drop safe issues as well? they do seem to be proactive about fixing their mistakes, but it's a little troubling to have this issue in both of their recent releases. Ruger also recommends carrying w/o one in the chamber. ??
I'm no pistol connoisseur or collector, I'll stick with my M&P 9mm.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:10pm PT
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Not everybody likes guns or even sees the point. That's fine, when the need arises it's a nice option. I've been a victim and I choose to be armed, but you can't always be armed, especially in some places that you think you might have the need. But in the home, always. I live on the edge of a tuff hood and heard gunshots just two nights ago. You can tell gunshots from fireworks, the sound is more directional and tends to echo around.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:14pm PT
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"Super Blackhawk, a .44 you can hammer nails with
Redhawk .45Colt with 6", (with +P ammo) what I would carry in bear country (but Anders can't) "
My favorites on your list, Ron. I also have owned a Vaquero... Loved that gun. 10/22's are a hoot! Fun guns to shoot and can get quite accurate with very little money spent. Kind of the Honda civic of guns, I think. A ton of aftermarket stuff made for them.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 05:20pm PT
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I love my Vaquero for its classic lines, but functionally the Blackhawk has more usable sights and you can change cylinders and shoot .45acp.
Either way we're talking single-action, which has severe tactical limitations and is really just for fun or putting down an animal (something I had to use one for once).
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:24pm PT
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I'm a much bigger fan of their rifles and revolvers than their semi auto handguns. I had a P90 DC that was a jam-o-matic. Built like a tank, but it didn't like anything I fed it. Quality aside, I hate their politics.
Ed
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lars johansen
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:29pm PT
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Ruger has always rocked. Here I am shooting my Super Blackhawk .44 mag with climbrunride this summer. This single piece of iron has shot thousands of rounds over 20 years. This is my constant "camp gun" and the one I would turn to when the fireside conversation turns to, " if you were down to only one gun.."
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 05:34pm PT
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Is that your riding outfit? :)
Kidding.
Bet you can hear THAT thing through the trees a ways.
I love my Super B, but if I could only have one firearm it would be a Rem 870.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:42pm PT
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Lederhosen Ron. I always drag them out yearly for the alpine effect. Under my left arm is a SIG .40.
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:44pm PT
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1 firearm would be my Rem 1100. I got it used when I was 16 for $50 in 1986. It came with 3 barrels for different chokes. Since I took the full and had it tooled to accept screw chokes. It isn't worth much more than I paid for it but it's a keeper.
Prod.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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Styling there , Lars!
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Nov 17, 2008 - 05:48pm PT
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Rem 870 rocks!!!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 05:57pm PT
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Prod,
I have a book with plans to convert an 1100 to full auto!!!!!
I have one in 20 and one of the grey 12s.
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Nov 17, 2008 - 06:03pm PT
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I'd like to see that book. Sure would freak em out at the clays league!
OT, You still planning on VoF?
*LARS EDIT* You gotta be armed to dress like that!!
Prod.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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Not sure. Email your plans, contact, etc.
I've been meaning to see if Alison is back from Nepal.
I've seen video of the auto 1100 in action.
Lets just say it makes a good (if involuntary) anti-aircraft gun.
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Nov 17, 2008 - 06:08pm PT
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Hey Ron, Why didn't the Security Six Stainless model make your best of list? I've had one since 86, and it's the best all around close defense weapon I have. That's considering a PPK/s and SPAS-12 too. Cheers * Lynne, I've got some sweet reload tables for the .223 that took a while to test, can reach well past 250m, and set your follow-ups in the same eye socket.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 06:12pm PT
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What can I say?
You're right.
In its day the double action .357 was the way to go, and the Ruger matched up to Colt, or S&W; at least before having aftermarket smithing.
(and the SPAS 12 is a POS. If you want a dual mode 12 get an M3 Super 90
and the Walther is unreliable for me although I have a Colt .380 gov that I love)
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Nov 17, 2008 - 06:58pm PT
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Agreed, the SPAS is getting sold. Seems like collectors and Hollywood buffs are more into it than real users..it did it's job back in the mid 80's. The Walther is finicky about it's fodder, Plus P's are the way to go, although I'm trying out Winchester SXT's at 95gr.
I also have a classic Mark II .22, it's gotta have at least 4000 rounds put through it! Still cycles and shots fine.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 07:17pm PT
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Ah yes. I remember BITD when my Mark IIs only had had 4,000 thru 'em.
The trick is having a dozen magazines.
Got a 4" bull stnls with awesome aftermarket target grips.
The time to have sold the SPAS was during the Clinton ban. Mine is now owned by a non-serious shooter in Vegas but I got it for $300 and used to have it mounted on my motorcycle handlebars.
THAT got some looks. haha
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Nov 17, 2008 - 07:26pm PT
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Sweeeeet! Total Terminator
BTW, if you're interested in .380's, I had a tip barrel Beretta that was loads of fun to shoot. I've always preferred the.380 as a back-up...ooooooh, reminds me of the AMT (local made) ;)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 07:53pm PT
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I have an AMT clone of the 10-22 that I have recently poured $ into.
Leupold 3-9, heavy barrel, comp stock, and the coup-de-grace, a Kidde 12oz. competition trigger (that last item alone was more than 4X the cost of my first 10-22).
I've seen the tip barrel .380 (and have both a 21A and a stnls Tomcat), but think that the model 84 with 13 + 1 is the way to go.
If its a backup for a hicap then I actually think THAT should be a Taurus 9mm because they both have frame mounted safeties, rather than another Beretta which would have a safety that works in the opposite direction.
Speaking of revolvers and backups;
even with the sea change to pistols revolvers still have a place. A titanium J frame delivers more power per shot per ounce of gun carried than ANY pistol.
Personally, I think that if you only have one opponent but you absolutely positively gotta put him down FAST then a 5 shot .44 spl , basically a J frame on steroids, loaded with Magsafe is the way to go.
The trick is not having more enemies. lol
Re; Magsafe and, for that matter, Glazers
Many ER docs have said to me that just one of any caliber into a lightly clad torso COM shot is a slam dunk kill as it is likely to cause multiple organ failure
So, what does one carry?
Well I know more than one street savvy operator who carries a big ole pistol AND a J frame.
But here is the kicker;
the J frame is seen as the primary rather than backup since its brought to bear faster!
Counterintuitive but gets the job done.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 17, 2008 - 08:31pm PT
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Ron, know anything about Ruger's new .327 mag round? I guess it's only offered in one model, a double action revolver.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 08:33pm PT
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Yo MichaelD, Gratzi.
Difficult being a fem on a guy channel. Thanks. My grown up daughter and I really enjoy firing guns and the Bows.....accompained by arrows. Just fun ! Lynnie
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2008 - 08:33pm PT
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dunno, Wayno
Sounds like potential for a mean 8 shot.
Lynne,
it shouldn't be a problem unless you see it as one.
I know lots of proficient female shooters.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 17, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
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You and your daughter shoot archers? Lynne?
Well, whatever brings a family closer....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 08:55pm PT
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No Prob. at all Ron. This is what my instructor said.
NEVER take your eye off the object, aim for the largest part of the body and unload. Yo, if I'm gonna get worked or they are guess who I'm gonna choose ? Generally peaceful, but not an idiot. Again, why would someone crash the casa uninvited ? Consequences.....ya. That's what guns, etc are for ....consequences for bad choices. Hard part of life. So behave yo all out there on the fringe. We love ya but we WON'T be victims. Just getting the juice out now and giving it a polish.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Nov 17, 2008 - 08:59pm PT
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Jaybro, love archery. I actually won first place at a Club Med Euro Spot. Darn if I didn't hit the apple 3 outta 4 times. Just keep living life....and it gives you great opportunities. I have my silly Club Med medal to prove it.
Course I was wearing a swimsuit, not lederhosen....bwahahahaha.
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Nov 18, 2008 - 12:09am PT
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Hi Lynne, great to hear the gals getting in some rounds and shafts! There's been days where my wife and daughter punch the paper better than I do (coffee addict, that be me ;)
Awww c'mon guys, only ONE weapon to carry? Happiness is an MP5, 10 mags, and discretionary close and contact orders :0 A buddy swears by his Barrett M82, it's hell to carry though. Realistically, my preference still runs with the wheelguns, and maybe a stick to poke their eyes if close enough.
All pumped up to go spearfishing in the morning :)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 04:26am PT
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I love my HK. It is my favorite gun hands down, but if I could only have ONE gun then the 870 offers far more versatility.
(and what is with only 10 clips? My vest has pockets for 15 even without add ons.)
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Michael D
Big Wall climber
Napoli, Italy
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Nov 18, 2008 - 10:30am PT
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High Alt work, lighter-faster, flatter profile to drop onto...of course, if you're just going to the store for a beer...
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lars johansen
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
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No doubt the Remington 870 is a great home defense weapon. However, there is a reason big game guides and fisheries officers carry a hand cannon in the brush. A long gun is just too awkward when a mad grizz comes bolting through the brush. I felt absolutely naked on my 3 trips to BC with a damn bell on my pack. My buddy Paul [a fisheries officer] always carried a Super Blackhawk .44 along with his shotgun. He also had to keep his dogs in iron cages, for their own safety.
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rockermike
Mountain climber
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Nov 18, 2008 - 01:14pm PT
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Real men use bows and arrows. A gun is like bolting your way up el cap; all the action for no lasting glory.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2008 - 01:16pm PT
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Get me a dress then. I can't imagine using a bow on a charging 1200 pound grizzly.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 01:25pm PT
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Hey look, although it sounds like a nightmare to me, the question was if you could only have ONE.
With, literally, over a hundred distinctly different types of ammunition the 12 bore offers more versatility and alternate configurations and barrel types than any other weapon system.
Thankfully it is not (yet!) a decision I need worry about, but as much as I love my HKs, a 9mm is a poor choice for a big brown sow who's quality maternity time I unwittingly interrupted.
The .44mag is a great choice there, but why a single action? My Dan Wesson or my S&W not only unloads faster, but does the same for RELOADING.
As much as I love my Super Blackhawk as well, for some reason my speedloaders don't work! LOL
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Loomis
climber
*_*
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Nov 18, 2008 - 03:21pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 03:30pm PT
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Thing to do is pair a 228 with a 239; as above, similar operating systems.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Nov 18, 2008 - 03:43pm PT
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My buddy Paul [a fisheries officer] always carried a Super Blackhawk .44 along with his shotgun.
My ex-bro-in-law carries one in .45LC, but, he's a throw back for sure. His main huntin' rifle is a lever action 45/70 with iron sights for everything in AK. Not that I don't mind plinkin' with one (mines 7.5", chromed, ported, TSOB scope mount, overhauled by SSK). Doesn't hardly kick. Smooth. Fun.
http://www.sskindustries.com/handgun.htm
Having carried a bit up in AK in the bush (Kodiak, POW, the ABC islands, Brooks Range, etc), make mine a double action S&W or Ruger Redhawk in .44mag minimum, Garrett Cartridges on the inside. That's if I had to have a revolver. First choice would be a 12 gauge.
I just think a single action army style revolver wouldn't work well for most folks if you had to use it against a large critter bent on your destruction. Fish and Game in AK carry 12 gauges or .375 H&H rifles, last I checked (and based on their cache in the cabin I, uhh, investigated).
Pretty gripping bear stuff in "The Year Long Day" by Ivar Ruud. Chronicles a year of hunting polar bears in the arctic. The part where the bear breaks into the cabin, and, he's stuck inside his sleeping bag (string tied on the outside to keep it closed up due to extreme cold) is both funny, and frightening.
Yeah, Ruger fan here too. First rifle as a child was an M77 in '06. Fond of the SP101 (once a took I stone to it and removed the sharp burrs). They hit it out of the park with the 10-22 and their Mark I, II and III series of .22 autos.
Might be covetting a Redhawk in .454 Casull...hmm....
-Brian in SLC
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Nov 18, 2008 - 03:44pm PT
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Hey Ron,
We'll be getting into Vegas this Saturday and staying until late Friday night, 1 AM. Looks like Crimpie will be showing up on Tuesday but has opted for a room at the Rio, sort of Wimpy there Crimpie... Riley arrives on Wednesday, we are heading for Epi on Thursday AM. Ninfa will be in town on Monday. That’s all I know!
Prod.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Nov 18, 2008 - 06:06pm PT
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Gotta admit, the Redhawk is the way to go. I just happen to own a single action.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 18, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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I learned a lot with a single action and feel pretty confident, but a double is all that and more, so if you can afford one...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 07:25pm PT
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Like I said, that gate slows down loading.
Oh sure, I have seen pros whip through that cylinder, but there is sport and then there is sport.
As for .45-70, I'm no two faced poseur. Mine have real barrels, but the one that I bought from Mike Baker's estate is too pretty (wood case and high end engraving and stunning burl walnut) to actually carry in the bush.
I was at the range this afternoon, no wind, no clouds and high 70s.
Cranked off over 500 rounds, but near the start I "evicted" a bozo after he muzzle swept me a THIRD time only 2 seconds after I asked him not to. Walked right up to him with my hand resting on my Les Baer and suggested he might want to pack it in for the day.
After he left another shooter (who I had seen the bozo also sweep) came up and thanked me.
I told him that the guy was just a bozo, but if he had done it with attitude that there would have been a second gunshot death in the county this week.
(15 year old kid with a mishandled stage prop)
After he saw me shoot the TR he just smiled.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 18, 2008 - 07:40pm PT
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Wimpy? Haha! This wimpy girl and Dave will be climbing sharp edges on vertical faces in the sun during the day, hanging with friends at the campground in the evening, and capping the night off in a hottub at the Rio.
(See you at the Rio Prod - haha).
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 07:45pm PT
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I guess you don't want to hear the story of the couple that filled the hot tub, got in with nothing but their wine glasses, and turned on the jets only to have some kind of brown scum come gushing out,..
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 18, 2008 - 08:02pm PT
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Nah. Lots of experience in hottubs. I'm not scared! :)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2008 - 08:27pm PT
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Its times like these (Whympergirl saying she has "experience in hottubs") that I really miss Ouch...
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Tom the Cop
Sport climber
Eastern Kentucky
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Nov 19, 2008 - 01:42pm PT
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Just bought a HK P200SK for off-duty carry. I have to spend some more time on the range getting used to it, but I like it so far.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2008 - 11:35pm PT
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I read up on the .327 mag today.
BITD Charter Arms Bulldog was the CQB end gamer.
Looks like they are out to slam the .40 contenders in an attempt to regain position.
I like that the .32 H&R serves as the "special".
Back when the Clintons were making sure that the citizens would run dry before the criminals (as in ten rounders) I thought that a slimmed down 1911 ten shot in a new .32 auto-mag might be in the offing, but ironically the 5 shot Bulldog surrogate might offer very similar ballistics.
It is remarkable if not entirely surprising, given the swings of political climate, how dynamic the firearms industry has remained for well more than a century.
Anybody up on caseless ammo? (hardly a new idea).
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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I just got a ruger .44 carbine with a bushnell 4x-12x scope... but I have yet to shoot it. I have no experience with ruger up to this point, I just figure that german engineering has to count for something and the price is right. Its nice to hear they make good stuff...
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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I started shooting the .32 H&R mag back when it came out. I found a Blackhawk with a 4 5/8" barrel and it is fun for plinking. I was somewhat disappointed with it's limitations for reloading. The pressure limits were too low. It looks like the .327 mag has a bit more potential in that respect. I liked your idea of a large cap. wheelgun, say a S&W with 8 shots in a medium frame. I hope more companies start using this caliber. I'm thinking a Contender G-2 custom carbine from Bullberry in .327 mag would make a fine squirrel gun.
I was just discussing that very point you made about the American firearms industry. Maybe it's because they generally make quality products and innovate to meet consumer desires. The Auto industry could learn from them.
I found that article in a recent AR about caseless ammo interesting. What would that forebode for reloaders?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 11:24am PT
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Porkchop,
german engineering?
You know something I don't?
A 12X scope on a .44?
How far you trying to reach?
I almost bought one of those carbines but,... NO DETACHABLE MAGAZINE.
Wayno,
the advantage of caseless ammo is weight savings.
People who don't carry hundreds of rounds will continue to enjoy the benefits brass cartridges.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 12:57pm PT
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Classic old school, Fatty.
But are you tough enough to use the 37 like the old trench broom, holding the trigger down and just pumping?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 02:11pm PT
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I didn't know you swung that way,..
He probably wouldn't have let you stroke his butt if you didn't have the gun.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 03:02pm PT
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Uh,..
who said they aren't?
1100
11-87
M3-super 90
and other italians
etc
etc
Actually my favorite for quick follow ups is an 1100 twenty bore.
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ice cowboy
Trad climber
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Ruger rocks 'cause my first gun was a ruger, but to be honest, my new Springfield M1A might be my favotie now!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 04:06pm PT
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I didn't think Three Kings was nearly as good.
Crapgame's gotta quit with them negative waves,..
I loved the way Clint bribed the arty director with the bar of gold, and Carol O'Conner was great too.
And did you catch the german actor that then played Dragon in the Eiger Sanction?
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N8
Trad climber
B.B.C, CA
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I have a P944, it's a good reliable piece and fun to shoot. My only real gripe with it is that it has a long trigger pull before it fires, making it a little difficult to be very accurate with. Does any-one know if this is somthing that can be adjusted or fixed?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2008 - 08:29pm PT
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Helps to have a webbed in fore-end to keep your left hand from flying off the muzzle.
Just got back from the WalMart.
Some local guy with paraObamanoia bought virtually all the combat caliber ammo.
$4300 worth!
Seems convinced that the first thing Obama will do is tax or ban ordnance.
I think he has bigger fish to fry, but I wouldn't put it past some of his cryptosocialist crowd as a way of republican payback.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
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Walmart got one shipment of 9mm which sold out in two days.
Was there yesterday and they actually had some Federal .223 (55gr) for $.40/rd in hundred rd boxes.
But I'm bumping this thread for another Ruger first;
the first polymer frame revolver!
(I wonder if this will prompt more BS rumors of a "plastic gun" that can't be seen by airport detectors.)
EDIT; OK who is going to put this thread into triple digits?
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Robb
Social climber
It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!
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Well, if I must.
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Jeremy Handren
climber
NV
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"Back when the Clintons were making sure that the citizens would run dry before the criminals (as in ten rounders)"
Are you aware that 90% of the guns used in the recent drug wars in Mexico were bought in the USA. Thats around 7000 deaths last year (before things really heated up.
"It is remarkable if not entirely surprising, given the swings of political climate, how dynamic the firearms industry has remained for well more than a century".
not really surprising at all, when so many in the USA buy into completely mental concept of equating gun ownership with freedom.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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So you're saying gun ownership is NOT a freedom???
I've caught this latest anti-gun argument BTW; the "90% come from the US" thing. It was on 60 Minutes tonight!
I was very disappointed to hear Anderson Cooper claim that there was an "assault weapon ban" that expired.
What doublespeak!
It was an importation restriction.
Well, OK, so lets say the "90%" figures are right.
Do you really expect mexicans to go to Peshawar to buy their guns?
Sure, they could get a better deal there, but the transport/smuggling costs would nix it.
When are you going to get it Jeremy?
The genie is out of the bottle.
Banning guns doesn't work, they are easy to make.
The solution to the war on drugs is the same as the solution to the war on terror;
we must endeavor to make the world a place we want to be a part OF rather than escape FROM.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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I have two Rugers. GP 100 w/4 barrel in .357 and an SP 101 w/2 1/4 barrel also in .357.
Both have had hundreds of hot rounds
through them and ever a problem. When the GP 100 started shaving
rounds I sent it back to Ruger for retuning. They repaired and returned
it in less than three days and in a brand new box. AND, they didn't
charge me a sent and they paid the postage. What a concept!
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Deemed Useless
Social climber
Ca.
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Say... what's better for small game a Ruger .204 or the standard 22.-250?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2009 - 09:33am PT
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Licky,
have you seen what happens when you exceed specs too often?
Not a good idea. Ruger can't rebuild your hand or face.
DU,
can't speak for the .204 but my Rem .22-250 is one flat shooter.
Neal,
I put luxurious target grips on my bull barreled Mark II stainless. Its a blast, reliable, and cheeeeeeeeeeap!
How much are you paying for a box of jacketed 230 grainers these days?
BTW NBC just did a live shot from the park across the street from my cousin. How much snow did YOU get?
(and how wise is it to profess an affinity online for home made "destructive devices"?)
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Piton...never exceeded the recommended loads. When I said I shot
hot loads, I really ment that I've used the hottest commercially
produced rounds made by name brand ammunition manufacturers.
I don't load my own ammo
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2009 - 03:46pm PT
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Well I've never heard of commercially available .357 +P
Your use of the term was misleading as it is often used by reloaders.
Hey, am I going to get a copy of the book for giving you the Dorn-Utica lead?
When are you going to be done?
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xtrmecat
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Ron, last Dec. part of this thread you mentioned the 327 mag. Got one for the wife in Nov. Any idea who may have empty brass. It is still a new piece with less than 10 down the pipe. Waiting for the snow to melt.
I have owned 5 Rugers now and only kept the one, a P90 for business around the house. If anyone knows of an outlet for the 327 mag brass, let me know. It's going to thaw here soon and the wife will want to shoot the snot outa that thing.
Bob
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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I'd thought about getting something between the 357 mag and the 22 rf, and the 32 H&R seemed like the ticket. Then I figured what I have into another gun, dies, brass, bullet molds and figured it just didn't wash. Get a 105 gr mold for the 357 and load it down to pop gun levels, or push the 200 gr over a top charge of 2400 for ~1200 fps. Anything more than that and I grab the 480.
I have both long and short rugers, semi's, bolts and revolvers. They make a darn good dependable product and well worth the coin.
Here's the first handload I put through my M77 allweather 350 rem mag, after 10 factory rounds down range.
Can't complain about a gun that shoots 1/2" at 100 yds with zero load work.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
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Xtreme,
good luck on brass.
Everything is crazy now, glad I stocked up on standbys.
I'd still like to see a slimmed 1911 ten shot .32 automag.
TP, Taurus has a 6 shot .38 +P snubby.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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""Back when the Clintons were making sure that the citizens would run dry before the criminals (as in ten rounders)"
Are you aware that 90% of the guns used in the recent drug wars in Mexico were bought in the USA. Thats around 7000 deaths last year (before things really heated up.
"It is remarkable if not entirely surprising, given the swings of political climate, how dynamic the firearms industry has remained for well more than a century".
not really surprising at all, when so many in the USA buy into completely mental concept of equating gun ownership with freedom. "
Where to begin....... Ugh! Honestly, it's not even worth it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2009 - 07:46pm PT
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Did you not like my response Nef?
But you're right, some people are a waste of time.
I'm in 9mm, .38, .357, 10mm, .40S&W, .41, .44, .45LC, .45acp
so I'm just not bothering with any of the new hot proprietary cartridges. They just don't have anything useful, and likely only appeal to dilettante shooters with more money than need.
How many people who buy these monster big bore revolvers ever see an angry bear or moose? Its Dirty Harry syndrome.
I don't need to genitally compensate as I've always been of the opinion that accuracy is better than caliber.
The appeal to me in the .32 1911 is twofold; a slimmer frame is easier for a small hand and penetration of light armor might have efficacy.
That it would hold a "pc" ten rounds is mere icing, but it might appeal to a marketing VP at Taurus or S&W.
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Dapper Dan
climber
Menlo Park
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ever fire one of these bad boys piton ron ?
it really makes you feel like a man...
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