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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 9, 2005 - 11:59pm PT
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Everybody finds inspiration and life in the valley, but Chongo lived it. Werner and the rest of the suits bought into the system and had to work. They could not stand the site of Chongo's life living it up in the valley with those young energetic and life-filled climbers as they once were. (this is a joke :-) )
-enjoy your suit, keep it ironed or else you may find yourself with the BOOT!
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2005 - 12:52am PT
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Pray that you will never become so limp-wristed as to condemn a true original, which is what Chongo is.
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Weenis
Trad climber
Shastafaria
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May 10, 2005 - 01:19am PT
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PAY AS YOU GO.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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May 10, 2005 - 01:30am PT
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What Eric said.
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WBraun
climber
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May 10, 2005 - 09:42am PT
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As the old men who’s visions are younger than the first day of the universe say .........
Stumbling in your fog of delusion you’ve come across the shallow stagnate pool of knowledge and reason that you have mistaken for the deep well of truth. You have simply jumped in head first and quickly broken your head.
This is why you’ve chosen to hide behind the screen name “Blinks”
• To look through half-closed eyes
• To waver or back down, as in a contest of wills
You have no power to drive away this mist ....
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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May 10, 2005 - 10:20am PT
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I remember meeting the Chongo Brothers (yes, "brothers") way back in 1985 or so in Joshua Tree (it was Chongo and two other guys who all just lived there and hung around--not even sure if they even climbed back then, or were even true brothers). I couldn't beleive they were getting away with it then, at least climbers looked like they had a purpose there in Josh.
Then they disappeared for a while, then when Chongo showed up in the Valley and began to live for years and years, I again couldn't believe it. Joshua Tree was one thing, but the Valley? And for so long while being super high profile, with his gear on El Cap for months and years and stuff like that.
But you know, instead of lamenting the passing of an era, it's probably better to spend that energy appreciating the time that was. There was a little bit of Chango in all of us, it seems. Even you, Klaus!
Too bad for him he pushed it to the limit and now has to pay the man.
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Ouch!
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May 10, 2005 - 12:43pm PT
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However you feel about it, the different ones are the ones we remember. The stuff of legends. They give us something to think and talk about and sometimes make us uncomfortable. They passed through and left sign. Whatever. Heroes, oddballs, or saints. They do make life a little more interesting and sometimes bring great change.
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lad
Trad climber
near Fresno, CA
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May 10, 2005 - 12:43pm PT
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Yeah deuce - you just reminded me of the Chongo brothers (back in a JT day) who made some really excellent climbing shoes. There was a bunch of us who bought into their boots - great price, and comparable performance to Boreal's Fire. Never did get a chance to bump into Chongo in hist Yosemite days - what with all the don't do this and sign for that rules and regs going down - no wonder I'm not much for climbing up in Yosemite these days. There was a time, when the climbing community was a little more open and free wheelin - the Chongo brothers were born outta that era gone bye bye. Everywhere I go, I'm reminded in what I see just how easy it is to become home-less either by joice or by circumstance.
Now that there's a magistrate has been installed in Yosemite, IMHO, it will be enough for Chongo to just get scolded - some of that is for all of us to bear. But jail and fines? hmmmmmmmmm, LET IT GO!
cheers...
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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May 11, 2005 - 02:58pm PT
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Bet Chongo would have never been evicted if he had money himself or big money behind him.
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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May 11, 2005 - 03:33pm PT
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It's rare that someone with big money behind them finds themself in Chongo's predicament.
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smokin_nolens
Social climber
California Valley, California
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May 11, 2005 - 04:09pm PT
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I love the Chongo boys. I have happily enabled Chuck and his kind for many years. I have drank many beers with Chuck, worn his clothing line, bought his book. I remember watching him drink bong water back in '90 around a warm fire up on Intersection Rock (before 'the man' took away the fun). His reaction was classic. Never flinched.
But there are lines in the sand and we all know about them.
Chongo boys, I am sorry your days of wine & women are over. At least in the Valley. I am truly sorry. Life is too short to end up in the tool shed. But like we have always said to you, my home is your home. You are never a stranger.
'Buy the ticket, take the ride.'-HST
(Oh, and never let 'em grind you down).
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2005 - 05:09pm PT
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The "stagnate pool of knowledge and reason" might show you that my screen name is not "Blinks", and among other things... free you from the "fog of delusion" generated from overindulgence in pseudo-spiritual tripe, a common malady among authorities these days.
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Ouch!
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May 11, 2005 - 05:13pm PT
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Blinks, Blanks, or Blunks. If it was me, I would tend to forgive a typo by one who might be called on to risk his ass to haul my old cornbread ass off'n some windblown diving board into the abyss.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2005 - 05:15pm PT
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Nothing to forgive, as I took no offense. It's just his whole analogy was based on a misreading of my screen name. Seeing what we want to see? I found it funny and typical of those in authority.
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Ouch!
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May 11, 2005 - 05:53pm PT
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Hey Binks. Werner admonished me for shooting bears and I was so taken with his philosophy, I vowed never to shoot any more of the mischievous critters. The fact that I don't get around well enough anymore to chase bears didn't enter into the argument. I think.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2005 - 07:14pm PT
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Blinks
If you think I had anything to do with Chongo you're a complete idiot. I'm not even a park ranger to begin with. You better talk to Chongo about this before you start up your idiotic missinformed speculations.
I have been and presently always been completely out of the loop as far as Chongo's predicament with NPS.
Now go chew on it, idiotic chump.
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Tom Bruskotter
Trad climber
Seattle
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May 11, 2005 - 07:42pm PT
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This is funny!
Slagging off Werner because he figured out he could stay in the Valley by rescuing other climbers?! You gotta be kidding. Has Chongo rescued anyone? And warning people in a "Safety Meeting" that a ranger is coming doesn't count.
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smokin_nolens
Social climber
California Valley, California
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May 12, 2005 - 11:12am PT
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Ahh, Werner. You are such an eloquent man of choice words. Well done. And Tom B.-too cool. In retrospect of our 30+ years of loitering around the Valley, we have to back both of them in this argument. Chuck knows the rules. The Valley is not too hard to figure out. Most get around just fine. Unless you are a window washer, well then, well, we don't want to go there......and anyone who knows us ,also knows we have had the occasion to be on the wrong side of Werners good nature. Thankfully, he has a forgiving disposition too.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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May 12, 2005 - 11:44am PT
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Werner, I'm sure blink is a troll without any projects.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2005 - 01:47pm PT
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Yet you posted:
"There’s a system here in place whether we like it or not to protect this resource, Yosemite Nat. Park. We continually told him to get a job or something to become legit. He refused in distaste."
Sure sounds like you at least approved of it, even if you had no hand in it. Do you really think Chongo threatened Yosemite Nat. Park?
No offense intended Werner, but I found such a statement from you a bit disappointing, and ignoring of Chongo's positive legacy, and within that -a tacit disapproval of a whole segment of the climbing community.
I will definitely talk with Chongo when I again have the chance.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2005 - 02:59pm PT
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Blinks
As a friend, myself Ben Wah and Bernie from the mountain shop suggested and told him if he wanted to stay, as which he did, try and get a job or something so that he’s legit to the powers that are here. That way he can stay and not be evicted.
”There’s a system here in place whether we like it or not to protect this resource, Yosemite Nat. Park’
That applies to everyone including me. I had no desire to see him evicted, that was your idiotic mental speculation based on your own biased and negative views that you project onto the world.
Your mental speculations are driven by some ulterior motive that are festering within you that have nothing to do with Chuck.
Believe me fool, you better think about WTF your talking about before you go spewing your screwed up mind about things you know absolutely nothing about.
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steelmnkey
climber
Phoenix, AZ
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May 12, 2005 - 03:00pm PT
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"There’s a system here in place whether we like it or not to protect this resource, Yosemite Nat. Park. We continually told him to get a job or something to become legit. He refused in distaste."
Sounds to me like Chongo's friends encouraging him to take action and avoid the mess he's in right now.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2005 - 05:52pm PT
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Enough. I may be only a fool but you've revealed your own duplicity.
You should discontinue calling me Blinks, it will hamper your evolutionary knowledge.
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Ouch!
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May 12, 2005 - 06:09pm PT
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Could it be that someone referred to Werner as a "Tool"?
Seems to me a term that might offend and set anyone just a tad on edge, especially since of all involved, he has been in a situation to observe the unfolding drama with his own eyes.
In the absence of evidence to the contrary, Werner is hereby
judged qualified to present expert testimony.
Got that from Judge Judy.
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Shack
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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May 12, 2005 - 06:14pm PT
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You guys are either 12 years old or your too stupid
to realize that your simply frustrated and jealous that Werner gets to live in Mecca and you don't.
Why? Cuz he has learned to work within the system.
You idiots just complain. You're probably too good
to work for the man....like Chongo.
Well guess what? Werner will still be in the Valley
when you and Chongo are long gone!
Somehow Werner must be a "sell out" or whatever for doing it legitimately but Chongo is a folk hero for doing it illegally and drawing more attention to dirtbags than ever!??????
Good left wing logic.
Respect to Werner!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 12, 2005 - 06:32pm PT
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Everyone has days when they are edgier than other days, including Werner. Everybody has sore subject too.
Personally, I'm beyond grateful that the law enforcement types have an example from the climbing community like Werner to work with. I'm sure it's been hard for him to be caught inbetween the two worlds from time to time, and it's natural that Werner should understand and consider both sides of each story to the extent that he knows them. Link is another asset for climbers in Yosemite. We can't expect them to see it our way only. If nobody who knows climbers is on the inside, things could really go downhill for climbers.
I'm not saying anybody is beyond question or reproach, but consider some respect too.
However, regarding this particular situation, I don't truly know either side of the story, so I can only wish everyone well.
Peace
karl
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2005 - 06:39pm PT
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Ok Binks
I know you’re not “Blinks” so you see it’s starting to get to you.
AngryT, not everything is what you see.
I really don’t care about being called a tool as we all are tools of our own misfortune and fortune. Binks never called me a tool anyway. Klaus did and I know Klaus personally and take no offense from him anyway.
No, what really teed me off is these fools that come out of the wood works that are trying to imply I’m behind or had a hand in Chucks predicament. My original post was only give some facts so people will know what happened to him. Somehow, Binks fertile mind got the great impression that I had something to do with it.
That was slander and I’ll come out big time man……..
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2005 - 09:36pm PT
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Agreed AngryT! Although I will miss Chongo greatly and wish he could have remained, I've been playing devil's advocate. Werner, it was just too much fun fishing you out to resist.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2005 - 09:43pm PT
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Don't fool yourself Binks, you weren’t fishing.
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Ammon
Big Wall climber
Lake Arrowhead
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May 12, 2005 - 10:27pm PT
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I've sat on the sidelines on this entire Chongo thing for my own reasons. Mostly because Chongo is a good friend of mine and I didn't want to say negative things about him in public.
But, here I am.... I know most of us have broken the two weeks in the Valley rule. I've broken a lot more rules and laws other than that and have paid dearly for it (mostly alcohol related).
I think the only time I've complained about "fairness" is when I got busted climbing the Muir Tree and the rangers tried to charge me with "endangering plant life". I was three-sheets-to-the-wind and also got a "drunk in public" charge. I know I'm not supposed to be THAT drunk in public so how could I bitch about that one. I broke the rules.
I haven't talked to Chongo about this, yet.... But, he is a smart man. He knew he wasn't supposed to "camp" in the Valley for that long and he got busted for it. I'm sure he would be the first one to admit this and take it like a man because he knew the consequences.
That being said, I hope he doesn't have to do jail time and pay a huge fine. I also hope he finds a legal way to stay in the park.
Werner is right on this. We ALL tried to convince Chongo to at least be less profile. I personally have told him he should find another place to go in winter. I don't think you can blame the rangers for doing their jobs. PERIOD!!!
I’m sure I’ll get a lot of sh#t for this BUT this is how I feel about it and I’m sticking to it.
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Lg
Trad climber
NorCaL
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May 12, 2005 - 10:45pm PT
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I wonder if both sides would be open to working out some kind of deal where he could work a job in the park, so he can be legit and stay in the valley? If they maintain a fine, he could work it off. If they kick him out and order him to pay a fine, they'll never see their money anyway.
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2005 - 11:58pm PT
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Believe me you've been waiting to be trolled for a long time Werner. All that quoting Hindu scripture and pontificating unassailable wisdom... I mean, it was really a pretty transparent troll too. My first post even says it is a joke. Then your buddy Klaus writes in his post that he's been trolled. Face it, you have been FISHED and it was easy.
Mission accomplished.
See you in the valley!
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WBraun
climber
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May 13, 2005 - 12:18am PT
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And you have too when I called you "Blinks" was easy too.
There were too many of your statements that held no truth to the joke factor. It's just your way of trying to worm your way out.
Is this how you slink away?
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smokin_nolens
Social climber
California Valley, California
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May 13, 2005 - 01:50pm PT
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Werner-let it go man. Let Binks puppydog you shamelessly. I have seen you swing a sledgehammer, so I have no doubt as to who the man is. Some can talk the talk, other walk the walk.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Bump for Chongo & Werner getting trolled. Classic stuff.
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Werner as Suit? I think not. WB represents the best of climbers: passionate, hardworking, service-oriented. Thanks for your years of service amigo!
Doesn't deserve to be trolled.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Great thread to bump, relatively short, some witty slander and some history.
Chongo update? I need a resole, is he in JT this winter? Has it really been over a quarter century since I had a Chongo resole?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Update? Last I saw was 2012 maybe, Lepton showed me an article about Chongo here in the Sac area. He was writing regularly for a homeless advocacy journal or something?
It talked about his big backpack, and his daily commute on foot to the library where he wrote on his laptop.
That's about all I remember.
Count me in the Werner fan club.....except when he's taking the piss out of me for something!
What happened to Binks? Who was/is it?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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A simple web search shows that he has a web page!
Looks interesting, if a bit cluttered. I'll look at it later.
http://www.chongonation.com/
Great little video here too!
http://vimeo.com/5814358
I especially like when it shows multiple Chongo walking around each other.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Thanks for the links, love the "Chongo on Call" page
Chongo’s wisdom has resulted in the very best highliners and big wall climbers in the world. His tutelage has led to building champions. His experience can help make you or your group champions too. Cell phone service is available in many places, like Yosemite, for example, allowing you ask for advice in the field (as well as putting Chongo in reach from wherever).
The best technical advice there is can be a phone call away from anywhere there is service. Make arrangements to talk to Chongo by cell phone during the course of your adventure by contacting the master himself in advance of your trip; e-mail: chongonation@yahoo.com.
Chongo On Call
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Banquo
climber
Amerricka
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Update?
He was at the facelift last fall. I talked with him for awhile and he tried to sell me his books.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Haha
Click here once you have read the entire warning and have fully understood the grave risks that you run by proceeding further, instead simply pursuing less hazardous endeavors and so sensibly backing out now and returning to safety of the home page by clicking either label just above or below here. Click here to choose to ignore this warning and proceed despite the grave danger and risks that you face by doing so.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Last place I saw Chuck was in the Valley. Last Sept.
Eviction? Yeah sure, whatever.......
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Here's a photo I took of Chongo soloing Eagle's Way, which I hotlinked from his website.
Chongo's website says the photo is "courtesy of Neil [SIC] Weiss" which I suppose is technically true, because Neal probably gave the copy of the photo I took to Chuck.
I was there with Neal when Chongo fed us after we topped out with no food or water.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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This is a copy of a photo I copied from a link to Chongo's webpage, downloaded to my computer, and uploaded to the ST, with proper attribution. What's fair is fair - no? Great photo BTW. Don't neglect to click to enlarge.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Chongo made an appearance on a Huber Brothers movie I recently watched on Netflix.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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That's about the best photo of El Cap climbing I've seen.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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It's been a few years since I last saw Chongo. At the time he was in Sac writing for the homeless paper, driving a Benz, and was shacked up with some gal in a nice place.
Had lunch, talked about physics stuff, and his opinions on a few posters to this thread, surprisingly enough. At any rate, I'm sorry to hear he was at Facelift and I missed it, but I was in Africa at the time.
Lot of good in Chuck, lot of bad, just like all of us. But at least he's comfortable in his own skin - not many are.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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The Chuck E. Chongo I met at Facelife is one gentle teacher, whatever else he be.
I'd trust him with my chuckah or my kids or even my (name it, he's cool).
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 5, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
all the stories
and even this thread
assume the reader knows way more than most of us do
is their any cliffnotes to this incident and its resolution?
It doesn't take an Einstein to know a Chongo
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