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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 4, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
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It's time for a change long overdue
I believe this is the first time since JFK that there's been a Democrat president, serving over a Democratic majority in the House & Senate.
YESSSSS!!!!
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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STFU, non-voting Locker!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Condolences to Juan...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Holee Wow - People are IN the streets here in NYC whooping it up for the last 10 minutes straight! Shouting "OBAMA!" Cars honking.
History in the Making.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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So Juan De Fuca, I hope you are going to make good on your word and go into exile...preferably to someplace without internet access :-)
ps. please take fattrad with you!
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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I just don't think most of us realize what a momentous occasion this is. I have actually had a little bit of faith restored in the politics of America. Moving into this week, my wife and I both just had a nagging feeling that the Bradley effect would show it's ugly face. I am so happy it did not.
Perhaps this can be used as a stepping stone to what this country REALLY needs, a viable 3rd party. Don't get me wrong, Obama is going to be a great president, and I am glad to say that I could witness this country taking a huge step forward.
Signed by someones who taxes will go up, but still voted for Obama :)
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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That is a gracious concession speech that McCain is giving. Well done!
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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We should enjoy the moment as the honeymoon will be very very short. The Dems now have everything to loose. And unless they show a very large amount of restraint and very careful forward thinking it will be a short 4 years.
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jstan
climber
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SS:
When the Berlin wall went down we had a chance to take the world in a new direction.
We didn't.
Tonight you have the chance to take the US in a new direction.
The things we used to do no longer work.
Think about it.
Edit:
Read Obama's acceptance speech on the live thread.
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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now we can all get back to climbing and SKIING!!! ( its was good today,sliding down in some soft freshies, high country got quite a nice coating.)
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MisterE
Trad climber
My Inner Nut
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Non-partisan aspect: don't forget the snowboarders!
;-)
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east side underground
Trad climber
crowley ca
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I was snowboarding today. I should have said sliding was good since It's all good!
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graham
Social climber
Ventura, California
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Best McCain speech I've heard the whole race
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Got up at the crack of dawn to get to our polling place at 7 am. Waited in line for 45 minutes - unreal even in the Peoples' Republic of Santa Monica...waited with baited breath until 4:00 pm when maybe we'd finally start hearing some news...slowly it started coming in, beginning with Vermont. Total butterflies in the stomach time. Boss was calling in from out of town "what's happening?!".
Heard that PA was won. Ohio was close. Florida was close! Heard New Mexico turned blue (early - at 6:15 pm)! Went to a party which erupted in cheer when Virginia was won and the TV pronounced President-Elect Obama.
Drove home seeing people all over outside in a major clearing wind storm, screaming, hooting, holding signs, cheering and happy. It's 10:40 pm now and we can still hear screaming and cheering all over the neighborhood.
It's nice to feel hopeful again after 8 long, bleak, anxiety - ridden years.
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WBraun
climber
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McCain's first words tonight should have been; "Does this mean I'm the water boy now?"
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Watching Obama tonight, I couldn't help but feel that this is one of the greatest moments in American history. I didn't get to watch the moon landing, but I imagine a similar sense of awe and improbable amazement. Obama said that in his speech that nothing has yet been accomplished, that we still need to make it all happen, but I disagree in part. The symbolism embodied by his victory has already changed the world forever.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Obama has a hard road to walk, an exhausting road. I can't imagine wanting to be president.
There is no way I could have maintained the positivity, the energy, and coolness under fire that he has displayed during his campaign. He earned this victory and has my full support.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Obama has taken a very great burden on himself, and I hope he has the wisdom to choose capable, honest advisors.
The events tonight do remind me a little of other "world-historical" events I've witnessed, such as the moon landing in 1969. Something where you are certain of the importance of what you are seeing, at the time.
We didn't have a TV for much of the 1960s and 1970s, but I remember bits from the assassinations of the Kennedys and King, Churchill's funeral, and seeing the Beatles live on the Ed Sullivan show. (Had to add the latter - not everything is serious.) The fall of the Berlin Wall was another such event - tremendous historical symbolism.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Levy, where have you been?
Read your history book if you don't have a memory that goes back more than a few years.
This is not "...the first time since JFK that there's been a Democrat president, serving over a Democratic majority in the House & Senate".
Johnson, Carter, and Clinton are three Democrat Presidents who enjoyed Democrat majorities in the House and Senate (in Clinton's case for his first two years).
These Presidents all came after JFK.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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fatty, leb, juan Etc, had McCain spoken in his campain the way he spoke at his concession speach he may have won last night. Instead he has sounded like the typical republican hate monger for the last 3 months... As long as you are selling hate and sarcasim you will lose because we the people are sick of that crap!
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Jeez, we get to hear Lois puffing up Palin for 4 years.
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Jim E
climber
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"I say she will be the new leader of the party."
Nothing would please me more.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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"Palin 2012" has a nice ring - if you're a Democrat. The knives will certainly be out in the Republican party, as the power that's held an uneasy coalition together is lost. They're going to have a long road to rebuilding, and it wouldn't be surprising if, instead of learning from what's happened, they revert to the pure gospel of Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Rove. I agree with JPT, though - if there's a future for the Republicans in anything like their present form, it will be with much less influence from the religious right and bloody-minded nativists, of the Palin variety.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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lowest CONTINUES to show her telephone booth of global understanding.
palin dragged the GOP ticket DOWN
america HATES a loser, especially in politics
palin was exposed as unprepared, inexperienced, unworldly, shallow, superficial, hypocritical, and most importantly, unappealing to anyone but the base, the right wing of the right wing. young people didn't like her, women didn't like her, moderates didn't like her, undecideds didn't like her, and she became a laughing stock on late night tv (the kiss of death in our culture).
even the wingnuts are blaming her for the loss, or at least blaming mclame for choosing her, and blaming that choice for his loss.
wait til the GOP campaign audits tell the true story of her shopping sprees!
(see newsweek)
she's done
and yer dumb
(not that either is a revelation)
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Hope Steve Schmidt (McCain's campaign mgr) can get an honest job now. We could use him sealing up leaky ductwork under mobile homes up here in the NW. Or maybe he can get something at the carwash. Good riddance.
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jstan
climber
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From what I saw in the campaign Palin is unable to reevaluate her positions as situations change while at the same time holding to underlying truth. Those positions are simple permanent implants. She has not identified any underlying truths. This is the classic symptom for the formation of extreme splinter parties. Their only danger is that they may, through some accident, gain actual power.
Our task is simply that of making sure that power is never gained.
The party that we will have to live with is the new Republican Party composed of the conservatives who work hard to repair the damage we have sustained. The President will need and will value their contribution, as must we all.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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the republican party will return as a more libertarian version of itself-
a reasonable strategy for the opposition party, which is what the GOP will be for some time after 2008.
the evangelical wing of the GOP will struggle to maintain it's relevance, especially as the progressive evangelicals become more politically organized and recognized (the right has officially lost the automatic non-bible-belt religious vote, or don't you hear the inspirational oratory tradition of the baptist preacher in the many captivating speeches by our guy?).
in the reagan years, the bible thumpers were coddled in the convention and then largely ignored. their rise to political prominence was a result of rovian hate-based get-out-the-vote strategies. the problem with those approaches is that they die out as the older voters die off, and the new younger voters are, at least as of 2008, overwhelmingly progressive.
one more thing-
in 8 yrs, nobody will want to hump palin either, so she'll be like hillary, except that women won't like her, and she won't make valid points (i.e. she'll still be stuck on talking points), nor will she have a life-long history of service to her country...
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preemptively, to all of you who will argue that the GOP will bounce back in 2010-
what has not yet been recognized by the right is that obama will be our regan. he is a great communicator, and that one characteristic in itself simply cannot be underestimated.
how do you run against that with hate and anger?
the people will see right through you.
(again)
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jstan
climber
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Dang it Matt. I wish you would get right to the point and not talk in circles.
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Redwreck
Social climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Oh man, GOP, please, please, PLEASE make Palin your candidate in 2012.
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sling512
Trad climber
Chicago
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I was down at the Obama rally/event/celebration in Grant Park last night. It was a scene to behold that's for sure. People in the trees, people dancing, crying, (looking for the snipers on the roof tops). Something about being with a few hundred thousand people in one spot with one hope and dream and reality really made it hit home!
-sling
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kelly slater
climber
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yeah, everybody voted for more government. How great it's going to be.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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yo locker-
if you close that deal, i'll give you my vote!
edit-
yes i know she's married, she's younger than you, she lives in AK, she has 5 kids, she's now a(n) (in)famous celeb, but com-on man, she's A MAVERICK!
...so she just might let you hit it- you never know WHAT a maverick like her will do!
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