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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 27, 2008 - 04:51pm PT
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot;_ylt=AhJZjHheU0MRs6E1a2Hvn0WyFz4D
WASHINGTON – Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday.
In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.
Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.
"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 04:59pm PT
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Sadly, I think we'll here more about such nuts in the future.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:01pm PT
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*sigh*
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:06pm PT
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The whole idea behind having elections is to keep people from being killed during changes of power, isn't it?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2008 - 05:07pm PT
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Yeah but it protects the PEOPLE during changes in power, not the ones who actually have the power.
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:08pm PT
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This flavor of nut is nothing new.
Pretty cool that they were caught before they could act, though.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:10pm PT
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I'm afraid we are headed for a period of 60's style political violence, with a tinge of racisim, no matter who wins.
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:12pm PT
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If Obama wins, he gets a bullet.
Too many idiots in America.
Just look who lives in the White House now as your gauge.
There may be more than one reason it's called the WHITE House.
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kelly slater
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:13pm PT
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they should rot in prison and be put in with the crips/blood wing
hopefully liberals won't think they can be rehabilitated.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:26pm PT
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unfortunately, I was thinking about this the other day... It's a sad thing to think that when Obama is Prez, the odds of an attempt on his life - solely based on his skin color - is quite probable. It's really disheartening to see that wackos are already out there making plans... *sigh*
That being said, I'm sure that he (and his family)knows/has thought about this, as has the Secret Service. It must be a tough thing to have to talk to your family about this stuff... "So, you know that if I win the Presidency (or maybe on the way there) this could happen...."
Then I reminded myself that if Shrub made it through 8 years without someone gunning his criminal ass down that maybe there's hope that it won't be an issue.
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jstan
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:26pm PT
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"I'm afraid we are headed for a period of 60's style political violence, with a tinge of racisim, no matter who wins."
Nixon is said to be the first to work toward the politics of division which has been followed since that time. Over the past forty years and more we have become increasingly fractured with the extreme elements increasingly distant from the center.
If the present administration had not seen fit to start a spurious war, had not seen fit to disregard our Constitutional checks and balances, and had not conspired with special interests to bring down the economy, we would not now be in position to halt this process of division.
If the destruction of the economy has a positive side, it is that discussion among us is now more unified than it has been at any time since, I would say, 1900.
Mr. Bush has visibly given us the tools we needed to reverse Mr. Nixon's destructive actions.
We have our work cut out for us.
All of us.
P.S. Dwight Eisenhower did not support Nixon's bid for the presidency.
We should have listened to Ike.
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 05:29pm PT
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True, Nef, except the ones that put W on the throne will be the ones who kill Obama. Mark my words.
Scary sh#t.
Not as scary as a third term though.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:02pm PT
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Of course I worry and am worried, but nobody got a shot and chimpie for 8 years and OJ managed to stay alive in society as well.
If somebody gets Obama, it will be because somebody in power let it, or made it, happen
Peace
Karl
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:05pm PT
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The two are being held without bond.
The story said the two men met online about a month ago and discovered their common bond/interest in white supremacy.
I guess the police must have learned the details of the intended crime by searching their computers? It's hard for me to imagine(though....not really, I guess) some yahoo admitting to the police "Yessir, We'ze gonna wear top hats and white tuxedos when we commence our killin' spree."
I do hope Obama's got good security. Really good. It would be so awful for an attempt on his life to get made.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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I was really hoping this post was a joke.
Even though I've been predicting a white power group would attempt something like this for a long time now.
God save us (if he exists) from such cretins.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2008 - 06:08pm PT
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Happie- Obama's security is the Secret Service. It's not some mystery. And they better be the best at what they do by now.
On the up side, as LEB/Woody/bluering would say, "he appears to be getting on some people's nerves so he must be doing something right!"
8 days left! Get out there and make it happen people!
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:16pm PT
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HDDJ... what happened?
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pinko-commie!
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tdk
climber
puhoynix
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:32pm PT
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weschrist, please do everyone a favor and google "kill obama rally unfounded". even you will have to admit that the stories about mccain-palin supporters routinely shouting "kill him" in reference to obama are completely bogus. is it too much to ask that we at least limit the political discussions to ranting, distortion and hyperbole, without resorting to outright lies? probably just pissing in the wind here, but i had to try...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2008 - 06:34pm PT
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tdk I've seen the videos and heard it with my own ears. Are you saying they were faked?
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tdk
climber
puhoynix
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:35pm PT
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please, provide a link to a clear video showing this happening
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:41pm PT
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John Lewis is a smart man and he knew what he was talking about.
http://www.johnlewisforcongress.com/node/219
Rep. John Lewis Responds to Increasing Hostility of McCain-Palin Campaign
10/11/2008
"As one who was a victim of violence and hate during the height of the Civil Rights Movement, I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign. What I am seeing today reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.
"During another period, in the not too distant past, there was a governor of the state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate. George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who only desired to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed one Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.
"As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Governor Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all. They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy. We can do better. The American people deserve better."
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:45pm PT
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Comparing McCain to Wallace is the single most rediculous thing I have ever seen on this forum.
Get a clue.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 06:57pm PT
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I have no compassion for skinheads like that. Lock them away for life.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 07:00pm PT
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"I have no compassion for skinheads like that. "
What kind of skinheads do you have compassion for?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 27, 2008 - 07:28pm PT
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Both Wallace and McCain/Palin sought to gain votes through race-baiting and feeding people's hatred. McCain/Plain are just more subtle in how they do it.
If McCain doesn't like his resemblance to Wallace, he should stop immitating him.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 07:49pm PT
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it should have read like this
"I have no compassion for skinheads, like these skinheads here."
ta daaaa!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:03pm PT
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howzabout
"I have no compassion for these skinheads."
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:05pm PT
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How about, "What the hell is this country coming to?".
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:15pm PT
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"What in hell has this country come to?".
present tense is usually more (hehe) immediate.
i believe it has come to a crossroads.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:17pm PT
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I'm concerned DJ has regressed. Was he mouthing talking points just to get elected chief of the you-know-whats?
I was almost convinced as his arguments were better and more rationally stated than many I read. Now I don't know who to believe.
Obama conspiracy theory, assassination tin foil hat. Next thing you know, He'll tell us Obama is a Christian citizen and fathered two black children in wedlock.
Does a bear run the Catholic church (where's Ouch?)
Peace
karl
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tdk
climber
puhoynix
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:18pm PT
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dirt: thanks for the link to the same article that started the thread, but that wasn't what my point was about.
khanom: please provide names and statements by "numerous people" who are on the record that they heard the comment.
From timesleader.com, dated Oct 17: Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton (the author of the original story).
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Left-leaning Salon.com also says "its a good bet it didn't happen" (view)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
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Graniteclimber,
I am surprised that you are persuing this line of argument even further.
Without getting into who I am voting for in this election, which is my private business, I still have to say that comparing McCain to George Wllace in just unbelieveable.
Were you alive when Wallace was active?
A couple of nice quotes:
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"
"The President (JFK) wants us to surrender this state to Martin Luther King and his group of pro-Communists who have instituted these demonstrations."
As Governor he defied the sitting President and stood on the steps of the U of Alabama blocking access to black students until he was forced aside by the National Guard.
No disrespect to Senator Obama but I see his campaign and his supporters play the race card a whole lot more than the McCain camp.
Sadly, there are deranged and sorry excusues for people out there who will yell out garbage meant to be hurtful. McCain has no part in it that I can see. Why not keep the election debate on the issues?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 27, 2008 - 08:53pm PT
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"Why not keep the election debate on the issues?"
That is what John Lewis and a lot of other reasonable people (including a lot of conservatives) said. Why didn't McCain stick to the issues instead of pursuing the politics of hatred and division?
Watch Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama on youtube. Read Christopher Buckley's explanation of why he is voting for Obama. They both say the same thing.
"No disrespect to Senator Obama but I see his campaign and his supporters play the race card a whole lot more than the McCain camp."
You have a very different view of this subject than most other Americans. And while you are entitled to your opinion, but you will forgive us if we see your moral outrage as entirely misplaced.
"Were you alive when Wallace was active?"
I know the history and so does John Lewis. He was there and he lived it. Also, he never said that McCain was the same as Wallace, just that he was going down a similar path that could lead to similar results. I agreed with him then and I still do.
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andanother
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 09:02pm PT
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".....was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," ....
I don't even know what to say about that part, other than:
Are you f*#king kidding me?!?!?!?!?
How could anyone possibly think that would work?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Oct 27, 2008 - 09:04pm PT
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Pink Mist
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
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Oct 27, 2008 - 09:07pm PT
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Every day, I get up and pray to Jah
And he decreases the number of clocks by exactly one
Everybody's comin' home for lunch these days
Last night there were skinheads on my lawn
Take the skinheads bowling
Take them bowling
Take the skinheads bowling
Take them bowling
Some people say that bowling alleys got big lanes
Some people say that bowling alleys all look the same
There's not a line that goes here that rhymes with anything
I has a dream last night, but I forget what it was
I had a dream last night about you, my friend
I had a dream--I wanted to sleep next to plastic
I had a dream--I wanted to lick your knees
I had a dream--it was about nothing
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tdk
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puhoynix
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Oct 27, 2008 - 09:43pm PT
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khanom: I appreciate the civilized reply. Dana Milbank has admitted on NDNblog.org that he wasn't at the rally in Scranton where the incident reportedly took place, and I kind of doubt that the Telegraph UK had a reporter there either to hear it firsthand. No doubt this election is bringing out strong emotions and there are plenty of nutjobs out there on both sides, but frequent shouts of "kill him" is a serious charge. All I'm asking for is anything a little more concrete than unsubstantiated stories endlessly picked up and recycled over and over in the media until they take on a life of their own.
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Pennsylenvy
Big Wall climber
Le' Bia
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Oct 27, 2008 - 10:02pm PT
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Stitch, that's what I thought too. Kill a bunch of people first and THEN go get the Pres???? Obviously this is higher intelligence at work.Man I can't even listen to that lady in that video. 'Uh, um, more this, more that uh, um. '
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 12:15am PT
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My candidate's campaign is going horribly awry IT MUST BE THE MEDIA'S FAULT!!
It's entirely possible that the "kill him" was simply misheard. People mishear things. So that's one out of how many shouts (hang him, terrorist, traitor, nigger) that MIGHT have been misheard? Isn't this like trying to argue which straw specifically might have been responsible for injuring the camel?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 28, 2008 - 12:17am PT
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Yeah, it was probably "bill him". You know those Republicans, all they can talk about is money.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2008 - 12:18am PT
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Fill him!
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Oct 28, 2008 - 10:49am PT
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Not to make light of the situation, but was the McCain rally in question on "Talk like a pirate day?" by chance?...
"Arrr matey, KEELHAUL him!"...???
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 28, 2008 - 11:32am PT
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Obama's reaction to the foiled plot was cool and appropriate.
Which is a quality he has shown over and over. What we need in a president during these times. Have to say I'm not just settling for the guy. He feels right for the times
PEace
karl
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tdk
climber
puhoynix
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Oct 28, 2008 - 11:50am PT
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Good point Karl, you're right. Feelings and emotions, that's what this election is coming down to.
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Oct 28, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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JDF - Pink Mist
Racist punk.
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Was in Miami once when Rumsfeld came to visit. Black helicopters over Biscayne Bay, snipers on every roof, cops on every street corner, and who knows what else surveillance-wise. 
Let us know!