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nature
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Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 25, 2008 - 12:48pm PT
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I have some ideas. I'm asking permission from the family to do something special with his work. Ouch! once told me I could do anything I wanted with his stuff but it's only right we do what Allie and his best friend would like.
It's my guess that he's created over 1000 cartoons. They will be tough to find. We've tried before and gave up after a couple hundred.
Though it's yet to be determined how far we can take this if nothing else we should try to catalog here as many of his cartoons as we can find.
Here's what I propose to do that.
There are almost 7500 posts authored by Ouch!
Here is how you can find them:
http://www.supertopo.com/forumpostsearch.html?id=7819083
I propose that we get a group together and look through all of his posts. It would need to be done systematically.
I'm thinking we each take a block from the search results and look through his posts.
This is a URL for the second page of the search results.
http://www.supertopo.com/forumpostsearch.html?s=ratings&o=ASC&v=0&cur=10&id=7819083#list
if you modify cur= you'll get a new page of results Divide up the blocks 100 or 200 at a time and modify the url to look at "your" block of search results. Catalog the URL of any post with a
Who wants to help?
With the permission of the family i would like to then download as much of his stuff as we can and archive it on a website that we don't have to worry about losing. I offer not only my services in building an album with thumbs but also off my webserver.
His humor is world class and it only seems right to ensure we can reflect back and get a good laugh. As we all know this forum isn't really designed to allow for easy viewing of stuff like this. Also, a lot of his cartoons are on imageshack and who knows what might happen to that.
peace,
nature
Edit: Ha... in this thread Ouch! gave me all the "nonsense".
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=384520
of course I could never feel right about owning it but I do feel right about spearheading an archiving project.
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jstan
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Oct 25, 2008 - 01:20pm PT
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We have these things called Presidential Libraries. Allie mentioned her dad's email and other records. I could not figure a good way to suggest it to Allie, but I think all of "Sam's" stuff needs to be preserved.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 25, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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I 'd like to help out, Doug. Today isn't good though, it's my birthday and going climbing and then out to dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm game. I'm usually pretty grim on birthdays, but this one's gonna suck bad...I'm doing a lead for Ouch today. Watch me, bro!
It's good idea that you've got, lets do it! What are you going to want me to do? Which block should I take?
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 01:34pm PT
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I think/hope I did a good job in suggesting/asking to/of her that we somehow make sure his stuff is never lost.
What we're asking is to honor him so I can't imagine how they would object.
I suggest everyone do what I'm doing - search through his old posts for his cartoons. In the middle of the tears you will find laughter (and a lot of it).
The funny thing is Allen was all over many threads. Many I never visited. 8 out of 10 of the cartoons I've found I had never seen before.
The mileage he got from some of our pictures was amazing. #46 got the most though he never really had a shot of him I don't think. After that Blue Dog went many miles.
Apparently my Geoduck clam got some as well.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Oct 25, 2008 - 01:37pm PT
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I would suggest getting ST's resident librarian, Mighty Hiker, to do help with the cataloging work.
And surely some ST digital artist should construct a virtual headstone with Bear 46 in his honor.
Great idea nature!
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 01:38pm PT
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blue - cool and thanks and HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRO!!!!!
There's no big hurry on this. I can't imagine the stuff will go anywhere any time soon. It'll take a while is my guess anyway. Enjoy yourselves out there!
Let's see who volunteers. I'm working my way through the most recent posts. I'll see how far I get and I'll determine a reasonable system to grab the data we need.
I'm thinking we'll end up with a list of urls to his images. I can write a script to run through the whole list and download the images to another server (awaiting permission for that). I can then set up a CMS (Typo3) that has the ability to catalog and thumbnail all of them. The CMS has a digital asset manager.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
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Thanks TiG.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Oct 25, 2008 - 01:50pm PT
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Let's not forget the succession process, either.
Plenty of us have waited for Ouch! to craft clever pictures that we could not do ourselves.
Nominations are open. (Sorry for thread drift, but this is a climbing forum. It just wouldn't do to have all of the politics shoved off the first page by the death of a beloved!)
I would nominate Watusi or Ammon, but they probably aren't around enough to pick up the load.
Long live the King!
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Strider
Trad climber
one of god's mountain temples....
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Oct 25, 2008 - 01:53pm PT
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Thanks nature for putting the work in on this project. Through this archive, I get the feeling that ouch! will never leave us and his memory here will live on...
-n
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 02:08pm PT
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I received a response from Allie and she not only approved of my ideas she very much appreciated them. She's trying to print up some of his work so us cataloging could help greatly.
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nita
climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:15pm PT
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nature, when i click on some of Ouch's work- my computer has problems. When this gets archived, will my computer still have memory problems? How can i fix this..and don't say get a mac,I would love to buy- 2000 of them...let alone one...;-)
edit: thank you Allie......;-) Yes, and thank you Nature..love you. ;-)
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:15pm PT
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From Allie...
Permission most graciously granted. I am actually begging you to do this as I am really struggling to gather them myself and we would be so incredibly thankful for this to take place....
Please let me know if and how I could assist in any way! I am not sure what I can do but am more than willing to try...
Thank you all so very much. He is probably not liking all of this attention but thats just what he gets for being such an incredible human being... : )
~Allie
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 02:23pm PT
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Nita: I think moving it over to a faster server will help. imageshack always seems slow to me.
Thanks Allie. We got this covered so don't worry about helping out here. I think once we get a team organized we'll be able to get a lot of work done quickly. It'll be fun.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:24pm PT
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Thanks for that Doug. I'll be in touch about what I can do.
Thanks, Allie, we're with you.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:45pm PT
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I could probably wade through all of the Ouch posts myself, fueled by extreme OCD.
Might take a wee bit, but I would get there eventually...
I assume all of these images are still on Ouch's computer?
It's one thing to get all of the cartoons into one place, but I think it's important to preserve the context
in which they appeared. Maybe make each cartoon a clickable link to reveal the thread they appeared in.
Nita - sounds like you need some more RAM for your PC. Go to Start > Control Panel > System
and you will see the amount of RAM you have. You should have at least 512 MB - hopefully more.
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nita
climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:47pm PT
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Thanks H.K., may be the first time i have appreciated you. ;-)
see, Ouch is still bring us all- together- to the taco table..;-)
edit: If more people followed Ouch's example, it would be a funnier , Kinder, generous,and more of a loving world.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 25, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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Hopefully it's knott the last. I heckled Ouch! pretty mercilessly, and he never seemed to hold a grudge.
I have tried to follow his example, as life is too short to hang on to petty bullshít.
Ouch! really lightened this place up.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 05:09pm PT
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so true nita... so true...
HK. Let's do it in blocks. There's a ton of stuff that needs to be done. Certainly if you want to attempt to do it all that'd be great. Just pick a number and start working your way through. I do agree that each one should be preserved with context but that'll be even more work (though a lot of them stand on their own).
They are probably on his computer but I believe Allie is trying to respect his privacy and not dig too deep into his computer so we can't rely on that.
What I'm doing is opening in tabs from each search results page every Ouch! post. IF there is a comic in it I'm right clicking, copying the address, and then pasting it into a text document.
I'll be able to write a script that'll parse through that document and download to local or networked drive all of the images.
I'm thinking we should register a domain name to house his work under.
http://www.ouchcomics.com is available. Any other ideas?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 25, 2008 - 05:26pm PT
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Nature - since it seems you're going back from the present, I'll start from the beginning
and go forward. I'll put each post-link containing a cartoon into a text document as you're doing.
It's a wonderful opportunity to put my OCD to use in a way that actually means something!
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 05:36pm PT
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HK, I was copying the link to the image on imageshack. Maybe we should to both the link to supertopo for the post and to the image? I can't really write a script that would get the image through supertopo. NEeds to be a direct link.
Sure... go ahead and start from the beginning. If we get three or four OCD people working on this we can hammer through 7500 links by tomorrow :-)
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dipper
climber
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Oct 25, 2008 - 05:51pm PT
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Copied to this thread from the original post by Allie about Ouch moving on.
With the 50th Nose event coming up, maybe some talented folks could get all of Ouch's images together plus what Allie has shared with us about her dad, print em up into a book via the Interweb, sell them at the Nose show in The Valley and donate the proceeds to an Ouch approved cause.
Or something along those lines.
Maybe offer said books for sale at Sushifests.
His art is priceless. And while much of it is animated, even the stills arranged in storyboard fashion would bust a gut. Perhaps they are humorous only to the denizens of this deep and twisted TacoStand. So what.
Ouch abides.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 06:09pm PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 25, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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Is Allie able to access Ouch!'s imageshack account? That would be the fastest way to get the images.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 06:31pm PT
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I don't think so. I asked Ouch! about it and he offered to give me access but somehow that never worked out.
I agree it would be fastest.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 25, 2008 - 07:23pm PT
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You guys rock. I would offer to help, but my computer is so slow and my skills so none existent that I think I would be more of a hinderance then a help. Thanks nature and Hardman and Blue and who ever else volunteers to help. This will be so cool.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 25, 2008 - 07:26pm PT
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Ouch used Imageshack, but he also used Photobucket if I remember correctly.
So far, his earliest images are dead links. Here's a typical one:
http://solisstyle.com/ims/pic.php?u=4171Il1Ab&i=28625
He started posting here in late January '05, and his very first cartoons were of Crimpy's thumbs.
Those are all unavailable because those links are dead. Another thing is that sites like
Imageshack require that the links are clicked at least once a year to remain active.
Here's another example:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=62750
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 25, 2008 - 08:03pm PT
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Maybe Ouch! saved them on his hard drive?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 25, 2008 - 08:06pm PT
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Dang, I sure hope he saved them.
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 25, 2008 - 08:26pm PT
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From Allie,
Ok...everyone help me out here. I think I found them all. going back to 2000 in something called Picasa. I figured out how to email the folders and need an email address to mail them to. Wow...I think I have what you need. I have to take a break from this and take my daughters to the Halloween store before it closes and then will be back here to see what you think. It was my bribe to them to stay here one more night to try and get all of this to you guys... : ) What can I say...they are teenagers after all... hehe.
I also found one cartoon he was working on in Photobucket that I am not sure if went out anywhere or not but looks complete. It may be the last one he had done. That is sort of sad if that is the case it would be a very good one to have...
I looked in ImageShack and there is nothing there because it appears when he completed them he moved them to this Picasa place.
Bear with me...I'm trying to get it together to do this and got so excited when I found these that I can barely type.
Let me know...he has them seperated into folders that are named under each year. There are hundreds and hundreds of them...
Back shortly...~Allie
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 08:45pm PT
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Oh my goodness!!!
Here's what you'd need to do, Allie.
You'll need to take the entire directory structure (the upper most folder that contains the year folders and zip it). It'll convert the folders into a zip file which you can then most likely email. You have my email address and my account has no size restrictions so there shouldn't be a problem there.
Wow! this is exciting. It's a lot o' lot of work to get these one at a time. This would save us a ridiculous amount of time.
I'm running out now to watch the game but will be back later.
Edit: Oh, I just realized you said back to 2000. As Hardman KNOTT pointed out above he started posting here in '05. Maybe you should take a look at some of the 2005 stuff and see if it looks like the climbing gang. Then go through the stuff before that and see what that's all about. I'd hate to dig into personal stuff but maybe it's just more of his genius.
Having the latest one would be very cool too. I wonder what it is :-). Maybe you can email me that one and I'll post it here on the forum.
There's a lot of tech-savy folks on this forum so if you need help just say the word.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 25, 2008 - 08:51pm PT
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Allie, our email addresses are in our files. You find that by clicking on our names to the left of our posts. Send them to nature. In case you don't understand what I wrote, go here for natures address.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/view_profile.html?id=707018&topic_id=707018
Thank you for doing this. We love Ouch and miss him already.
One thing, some of us do not use these email addresses regularly, so it helps if you give a heads up to whomever you are emailing so they will check that address, plus the address may be old. Nature will see this eventually and let you know if this is a current address for him.
Edit: oops, nature was posting as I did.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2008 - 09:03pm PT
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I agree locker. But logistically it might be a little tough. IF nothing else maybe we can get chris to add a link to wherever we archive it.
And keep in mind the real trouble we have right now is his stuff is on photobucket or imageshack and could disappear at any time. Though as Allie posted above she might have all of it.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Oct 25, 2008 - 10:27pm PT
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hah! Jaybro's daughter feeding the fake rajmit to the bear!
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:05am PT
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From Allie,
I cannot make the zip file work via Picasa...anyone have any thoughts? I can email each folder but that will take some time. Other thing is to create a web album and make it visible to whoever I want to? I will start emailing these folders to you one at a time shortly Nature.... : ) I am not sure what else to do....
~Allie
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:43am PT
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Allie - Create a Skype account and send it all at once.
Contact Nature for more info.
(I'm actually driving right now - typing on iPhone - believe it or knott)
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:08am PT
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Allie,
I can put them on YCA's new website, as I am sure Chris will do on this site, if you and your family are willing. He was definitely the most interesting and creative poster on this site.
Ken
P.S. Hardman, keep your fingers on the road!
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Ammon
Big Wall climber
El Cap
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:13am PT
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Couldn't find half the ones that Ouch! did of me but here's what I did find:
He will be missed...
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 26, 2008 - 02:40am PT
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Yeah, TIG, I really liked that one, sure I'm biased, but I thought he was calling us all on being too self important with that offering. If we can't laugh at ourselves...
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Dwain
Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
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Oct 26, 2008 - 02:49am PT
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It was always an honor to have Ouch, Ouchify one of your photos.
Here are some before, and after Ouch got a hold of them.
and here is one Ouch did of a photo that Blackbird took where he mixed all our faces up.
He sure knew how to make a good photo BETTER!!!!
Dwain/Cosmic
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 03:28am PT
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From Allie,
I have them in a zip file and am trying to send it to Nature but it is taking forever...there is a lot on it. I also think I duplicated some and there are family photos and such mixed in. I am leaving it as I do not have time to weed them out... there are so many pics...I cannot believe how many actually.
I will get them to you...if I have to email each folder individually...I have key drives and a external hard drive if it comes to that but it shouldn't. I have never had so many issues trying to transfer files but then I have never tried to do so many and his computer is somewhat on the sloooowwwwww side...If it worked for him I will make it work for me! hehe. I am not leaving here tomorrow until this is complete. : )
~Allie
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 03:41am PT
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Allie - the reason I suggested Skype (or AIM, or iChat, ect), is because you can send unlimited file sizes.
No need to break everything up into separate e-mails which seems incredibly inefficient and time-consuming,
considering e-mails generally have to be limited to 10 megabytes each. With Skype, ect, you just drag and
drop once into the chat window and then you can go to sleep, knowing that everything will get there without
further action. For example, I sent a friend a folder of photos which was 330 MB, which would have required
at least 33 separate e-mails. I just dragged and dropped it, and he had it a few hours later. It works great!
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 04:27am PT
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From Allie,
I need someones screen name to send it to on AIM...
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 05:44am PT
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durnit... i don't know if i have an AIM account.
let me check.
Allie: how much longer are you around to try to make this happen?
LEB: I know what you are suggesting and it's reasonable. But i think time constraints might be at issue. thanks though... we'll make it work one way or the other.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 11:08am PT
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Allie - I have an AIM account login you could use. Email me at sniderthansnide (at) gmail (dot) com if you need it.
However, I would recommend Skype, as it is super-easy to set up, worlds better than AIM
(on an order of magnitude), and it can be set up in just 2 or 3 minutes. Plus, Nature has
Skype running 24/7.
http://www.skype.com
Just download the Mac or Windows version, install, and then pick a user name, and it
checks the network to see if the name is taken. Then just enter in Nature's user-name to
your list, open a chat, drop the one big folder into the window, then all of the work is done.
If your father's image folder is more than hundreds of megabytes (which would knott surprise me,
as many of his animations were 800 Kb to over 1 megabyte each), then snail-mailing a DVD as
LEB suggests might actually be a viable option. Do you know how big the folder is?
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:25pm PT
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From Allie,
Do you know Nature's Skype user name?
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 12:31pm PT
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LEB... again I appreciate the idea. There are things in the works going on behind the scenes and they will probably stay that way until it becomes obvious.
I'll be chatting with Karl later tomorrow about some it (and will be doing so in part because of the integrity of which you speak).
EDIT: Hi Allie! haha... dlafarge on skype. I'm there now
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:31pm PT
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Allie - I will e-mail it to you in a sec...
Edit: Looks like Nature is awake! ;-)
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:50pm PT
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The transfer is in progress!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
(1.3 GB - est. 19 hours - believe it or knott)
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 12:59pm PT
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Lois - I think the idea is to get the work online where it can be viewed by all, in a centrally
located place with links that won't expire. Nature is a web-programmer who could host
them for next to nothing, so it's not like any serious money needs to be raised.
BTW, a single-layer DVD holds approx 4.4 GB, a double-layer DVD holds twice that.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:03pm PT
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Nice work all. Allie, clearly your pops shared his goodness to the next generation.
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Ouch!
climber
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:09pm PT
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Thank you very much...the ultimate compliment...I am still in a fog and have been unable to think clearly so apologies on everything I do right now taking so damn long! Things that are typically obvious to me and take no thought process at all are hanging me up...it will take some time to get myself back I am sure.
Anything is worth getting his pics together. It is killing me to not be able to post some of them that are specifically being asked about on the threads. I have never had so much trouble with pictures in my life! : ) All of your assistance and patience is so very appreciated...
~Allie
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:13pm PT
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God Bless you and your wonderful father, Allie.
It's amazing how many people your dad touched via this forum.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:21pm PT
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Actually Allie and Nature have the matter under control, as she is sending the images to him, knott me...
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 01:22pm PT
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LEB: I have a webserver and will store all of his stuff at no cost for as long as I have the server (which has been 10 years now). No worries there, sister!!!
I'd like to register a domain name to run the stuff under
http://www.ouchcomics.com
http://www.ouchcartoons.com
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The idea isn't to download everything. I envision a site where you can interact and view all of his work in an organized manner.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 01:32pm PT
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i'll have to see if you can use '!' in a domain name
ouchliveson looks like Ouch Live Son :-P
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Oct 26, 2008 - 01:39pm PT
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OUCH! lives!
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2008 - 02:15pm PT
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OK.... ouchlives.com it is. I've registered it and it'll start pointing to my server later today. I'll see if I can't do the typo3 install and have a skeleton site setup tonight.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 26, 2008 - 09:43pm PT
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Doug
Thanks for doing this.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Oct 27, 2008 - 12:11pm PT
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Bump for Ouch!
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