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dirtineye
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 6, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
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THE GOP has sent Palin out to smile and bash and lie repeatedly, ignoring the facts as usual.
BUT Obama ahs decided to firght back.
this came from the Obama campaign, so, go take a look if you like.
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From: "David Plouffe, BarackObama.com"
Subject: What they don't want to talk about
Curt --
Over the weekend, John McCain's top adviser announced their plan to stop engaging in a debate over the economy and "turn the page" to more direct, personal attacks on Barack Obama.
In the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to change the subject from the central question of this election. Perhaps because the policies McCain supported these past eight years and wants to continue are pretty hard to defend.
But it's not just McCain's role in the current crisis that they're avoiding. The backward economic philosophy and culture of corruption that helped create the current crisis are looking more and more like the other major financial crisis of our time.
During the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s, McCain's political favors and aggressive support for deregulation put him at the center of the fall of Lincoln Savings and Loan, one of the largest in the country. More than 23,000 investors lost their savings. Overall, the savings and loan crisis required the federal government to bail out the savings of hundreds of thousands of families and ultimately cost American taxpayers $124 billion.
Sound familiar?
In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.
So at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th, we're releasing a 13-minute documentary about the scandal called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis" -- it will be available at KeatingEconomics.com, along with background information that every voter should know.
Watch a preview right now and share it with your friends.
The point of the film and the web site is that John McCain still hasn't learned his lesson.
And this time, McCain's bankrupt economic philosophy has put our economy at the brink of collapse and put millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes.
Watch the video to see why John McCain's failed philosophy and poor judgment is a recipe for deepening the crisis:
http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
It's no wonder John McCain would rather spend the last month of this election smearing Barack's character instead of talking about the top priority issue for voters.
But if we work together, we can make sure the focus stays on the economy -- and how to fix it.
Please forward this email to everyone you know.
Thanks,
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
P.S. -- The documentary will be live at noon Eastern at www.KeatingEconomics.com.
Paid for by Obama for America
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Ouch!
climber
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Good T/R, Dirtyeyeballs.
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dirtbag
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I say bring it f*#king on.
If the best McSame Pain can offer people this late in game are linking Ayers to Obama (which is a pretty weak link btw) then they are going to lose. People are so focused on the economy right now that they don't care about this dirt. They want to know what McSame and Pain will do to fix this mess.
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Ouch!
climber
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Reckon Ayers might sue Palin for defamation?
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the kid
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desperate campaigns do desperate measures to keep the focus off the mess the republicans over the last 20 years have gotten us into.
this latest financial meltdown is now effecting the global economy and all it took was proper regulation and funding of those regulating bodies to keep on eye on this mess. The "free" market does not work without controls in place to keep everyone straight.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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"In that crisis, John McCain and his political patron, Charles Keating, played central roles that ultimately landed Keating in jail for fraud and McCain in front of the Senate Ethics Committee. The McCain campaign has tried to avoid talking about the scandal, but with so many parallels to the current crisis, McCain's Keating history is relevant and voters deserve to know the facts -- and see for themselves the pattern of poor judgment by John McCain.
So at noon Eastern on Monday, October 6th, we're releasing a 13-minute documentary about the scandal called "Keating Economics: John McCain and the Making of a Financial Crisis" -- it will be available at KeatingEconomics.com, along with background information that every voter should know."
funny...john glenn introduced springsteen at an obama event in ohio over the weekend...you remember john glenn, right? former senator...implicated in the (drumroll) keating five scandal...of course, he was absolved of any ethics violation but received the same formal admonishment from the ethics committee that mccain received
i'll see your keating and raise you fannie and freddie
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Yey Obama, when they bring out a swift boat, bring out one of your own.
We've seen what happens when you try to take the high road, you are on the defensive. When they attack: defend, but attack yourself so it's not a one way offensive.
Barack is smart.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Because Keating was the fall guy and went to PRISON, the 5 senators involved all got wrist-slapped.
Politics as usual--just because they walked doesn't necessarily mean that they were innocent.
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dirtbag
climber
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"i'll see your keating and raise you fannie and freddie "
Yeah...will Palin is still a light weight, who is completely unqualified to be Pres. It's good to see the Republican party stands for something these days: the dumbing down of the Presidential ticket.
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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They are getting a TON of mileage with this "turn the page" stuff. Good to see McCain feeding Obama something for once.
bookworm- How can you raise a Fannie/Freddie when McCain's campaign is up to its eyeballs in people connected with and who were paid by Fannie/Freddie? Do your homework. That's like accusing Obama of being a Washington insider or something.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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ummm...
who has received more campaign contributions from fannie/freddie than any other senator (except dodd, the dem who chairs the committe "overseeing" them)? obama, obama, obama
who hired as financial advisors for this presidential campaign the two men--franklin raines and jim johnson--most responsible for the corruption and collapse of fannie/freddie? obama, obama, obama
who said as recently as september that subprime loans are "a good idea"? obama, obama, obama
by the way,
"After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, with Cranston receiving a formal reprimand. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment"."
perhaps you want to turn this into a debate about poor judgment? please...pretty please...
and my point is, the same weekend obama chooses to raise the keating scandal against mccain, he features one of the five central figures involved at one of his own campaign events...c'mon, let's talk about poor judgment
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Bookworm, Obama has received more campaign contributions from EVERYBODY. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure those contributions from Fannie/Freddie were from people who WORK there.
When you get more money from pretty much every demographic I guess you can claim that he's in the tank for everyone, eh?
Or I guess we could go with your route and pretend that "Obama is responsible for the financial crisis" which is so mind numbingly retarded I think my IQ dropped a couple points just quoting it.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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McCain is so weak and has such incredibly poor judgment and low integrity that if Obama wasn't black McSmear would be down 20% by now.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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DID anyone actually look at the video?
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Ouch!
climber
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"DID anyone actually look at the video? "
I did. Some senators should have accompanied Keating to the hoosegow.
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Ouch!
climber
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LOL! Fat, I've got some of my best car deals from felons. Moonshine too.
Besides, the difference in felony and misdemeanor is only a few bucks..or a little attitude.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Jeff,
You should be a convicted felon as well.
Hopefully this will happen under an Obama administration.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2008 - 08:02pm PT
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Here's the full version:
Curt --
John McCain wants you to forget about his role in our country's last major financial crisis and costly bailout: the savings and loan crisis of the late '80s and early '90s.
But voters deserve to know that the failed philosophy and culture of corruption that created the savings and loan crisis then are alive in the current crisis -- and in John McCain's plans for our economic future.
We just released a short documentary about John McCain's role in that financial crisis -- watch it now and share it with your friends:
http://my.barackobama.com/keatingvideo
Voters should know the facts about John McCain's poor judgment -- judgment that has twice placed him on the wrong side of history.
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Ouch!
climber
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How times change. Damn near every teenage prank we pulled would be felonies today. Even when we got caught, the cops would usually just haul us home and rat us out to our parents.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"Or I guess we could go with your route and pretend that "Obama is responsible for the financial crisis" which is so mind numbingly retarded I think my IQ dropped a couple points just quoting it."
never said it, high; but i don't think you should worry about dropping a couple points...i mean, i don't think it's possible to have a negative iq
is the msm actually starting to take obama's campaign seriously, i mean seriously enough to actually do some real investigative journalism? what did cbs find?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/06/cbsnews_investigates/main4504955.shtml
your man may win, but he's as corrupt as they come...and remember, there's only one thing the media loves more than hyping the next big thing (in this case, obama)--tearing them down
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Dutch Tulips, 1907...I didn't know he was that old!
I turned on the Tube to Fox last night to see what they were up to. Straight out, Hannity was trying to make Obama out to be a terrorist, by association.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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A sadly deluded rethuglican dupe wrote:
"your man may win, but he's as corrupt as they come..."
Hmmm, now just WHO is as corrupt as Bush and Cheney? I really don't think you have much of a case here, but go ahead punk. Make my day.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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The headline at foxnews.com right now:
Obama Surges
New FOX News/Rasmussen Reports Poll shows Democratic nominee making significant gains in three of five key battleground states
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nature
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Santa Fe, NM
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McSame and Pain just woke up next to a fat lady who is singing like no tomorrow....
LOL!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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I just read that Obama is surging ahead in certain "battleground" states. I think the "pals around with terrorists" and similar comments are harming McPalin. People are watching their 401ks evaporate or worse and they are talking about someone who set off some bombs when Obama was 8 years old? It shows disconnect.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Fatty, "just routine"?
Hey, we looted and raped America, again! Just get over it.
Thats GOP baby!
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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weird...i'm watching the pbs biography of carter:
"from anonymity to the white house..."
"overwhelmed by circumstances: an energy crisis, inflation, and islamic revolution..."
"a good and decent man that was not up to the task of being president..."
"self-righteously arrogant..."
sounds an awful lot like obama...except the good and decent part
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dogtown
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Where I once was,I think?
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Bump bookworm!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2008 - 09:40pm PT
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Funny how arch conservatives are now calling Carter the ONLY president who got the energy thing right.
And YOUR MAN, Ronnie Rayguns, dismantled it all, what a fvcking idiot.
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Wierd...I was just eating a prune.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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"And, you're forgetting that McCain proposed a bill in 2006 that might have mitigated the current crisis. We'll see something like this again in the future, they happen periodically........Dutch Tulips, 1907, 1929.......just routine."
Fatty's third talking point. Always nice when you have some hypothetical legislation that would have "fixed" an incredibly complicated and long building problem. Would it work as well as McCain-Feingold did, Fatty?
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dirtbag
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"weird...i'm watching the pbs biography of carter:
"from anonymity to the white house..."
"overwhelmed by circumstances: an energy crisis, inflation, and islamic revolution..."
"a good and decent man that was not up to the task of being president..."
"self-righteously arrogant..."
sounds an awful lot like obama...except the good and decent part "
Then quit sucking on Palin's teets, you hypocrite.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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McCain should have stayed away from lame attacks. Obama was running a pretty issues-based campaign but experience show you have to attack back.
We haven't even had McCain's adultary and subsequent wife dumping yet (after she waited for him to come back from Nam POW Camp)
Glass houses.
Is Palin's Husband a domestic terrorist if he belongs to a group trying for Alaska's indepdence?
"Palin's Attack On Obama's Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About The Palins' Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist
By Greg Sargent - October 4, 2008, 4:55PM
Sarah Palin attacked Obama's patriotism today over his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers -- a move that makes it perfectly legitimate to raise questions about the Palins' associations with a group founded by an Alaska secessionist who once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed our "damn flag."
In Colorado today, Palin seized on the big front-page New York Times story about Ayers and Obama, which concludes that the two men "do not appear to have been close," to launch her most vicious attack yet on the Illinois Senator -- a harbinger of what's to come.
"This is not a man who sees America as you and I do -- as the greatest force for good in the world," Palin said. "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."
If Palin is going to say this, it is now perfectly legitimate to point out that she repeatedly courted a secessionist group founded by someone who openly professed hatred of the American government, cursed our flag, and wanted to secede from the Union. Sarah's husband, Todd Palin, was a member of this group, which continues to venerate that founder to this day, for years.
As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska.
And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there's no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group's annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News' Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group's 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.
The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here's what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.""
From
http://tinyurl.com/4ccnt9
It's at least as relevant as the Ayers gag.
Peace
KarL
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"Funny how arch conservatives are now calling Carter the ONLY president who got the energy thing right."
and which arch conservatives would those be? could you actually be quoting pat buchanan????
ummm...dirt? palin's not running for president, but i appreciate the fact you don't deny the parallels between carter and obama
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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et tu, cnn? then fall, obama.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/
ok, let's talk about poor judgment (and this applies to most elected officials)...know whose house you're sleeping in (i mean that metaphorically); if obama truly didn't know about ayers, he should have asked about the guy hosting his political coming out party...it's fair to argue ayers' past deeds should not stand alone in judging the man, but he remains unrepentant and wishes they had done more; so, what the guy thinks today weighs even more than what he did yesterday...if you like/admire/respect the guy, just say so and stand by him and your own judgment (come on, don't we all have a friend who everyone else thinks is an a**hole?); denying it only makes you look weak, cowardly, disloyal, etc...finally, if you have any aspirations for elected office, do NOT lie! the truth will out eventually
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dirtbag
climber
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"ummm...dirt? palin's not running for president, but i appreciate the fact you don't deny the parallels between carter and obama"
ummmm...I never said any such thing about Obama and Carter.
But you are one of the site's staunchest Palin supporters, though I have no idea why.
If those thing bug you about Obama and Carter, then they should bother you about Palin.
If they don't you're being dishonest or dense.
Which is it?
And Palin is one 72-yo heart beat away from being Prez. So nice dodge there.
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dirtbag
climber
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"oy vey, now the ap?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LB1280&show_article=1&lst=1"
That settles it. They were bosom buddies. Obama is a terrorist. LOL!
Remember when McCain pledged to stick to the issues?
And Palin is just an empty shell, spitting out insults, the perfect embodiment of the modern Republican Party and its bankruptcy of ideas. (And you and the other Palin teet-suckers here just absolutely love her..)
You guys keep looking more and more desparate and ridiculous as the election nears. It's like watching the last little bits of Republican sh#t spiral down the toilet.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"ummmm...I never said any such thing about Obama and Carter"
like i said, you don't deny
do i think palin is more qualified than obama? you betcha! at least she has actually been in charge of something...but i'm willing to call it a tie on the experience issue...but i guess it isn't really a tie when our vp candidate matches your pres candidate
and, the fact is, biden is only one african-american (shorter life span) smoker (way shorter lifespan) heartbeat away from the presidency...really, a guy who has been thoroughly rejected by his own party...twice!...and a guy who's suppose to have all this foreign policy experience but is completely delusional about one of the most critical states--lebanon--in the middle east (the most critical region in the world)
and i can't understand why you continue to support obama when he has done nothing to support his promises of change...in fact, the facts show just the opposite
see, that's what i mean by faithy...you ridicule people who have faith in god even though you can't prove god doesn't exist...well, you have faith in obama even though there's tons of proof the obama you believe in doesn't exist
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Thanx Bookworm your posts helped me empty my bowel. Nothing left but the paper work.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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cross-posted for Bookworm to address:
(sarc) We can't question her or her way of life, she is one of US.
Afterall, I know that I have:
Children pregnant out of wedlock
Beliefs of dinosaurs and men cohabitating
A spouse that supported state secession
A preacher that "exorcised" my demons
etc....
Riiiight, she represents America, Josef Sikspacque, and Hockey moms.
edit: Jody, bookworm, Juan, etal... are you ones like her, or is she like y'all.
Hahahahaha !
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jstan
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"see, that's what i mean by faithy...you ridicule people who have faith in god even though you can't prove god doesn't exist...well, you have faith in obama even though there's tons of proof the obama you believe in doesn't exist"
Thomas Jefferson told us we would be able to have a representative democracy only if the citizenry is educated.
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dirtbag
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Sure Bookworm. Ask Palin about her foreign policy views or her views on the bailout, or the Israeli conflict, or even what friggin newspapers she reads without her index cards and with follow-up questions. Then be prepared for a wild ride!
Like I said, that empty insult shell is the perfect Repub. candidate.
Oh and if you want to talk about terrorist connections, Sistah Sarah last year gave a speech at a party convention who's founder professed a hatred of America. What's more, she regularly has sex with a man, lives with a man and married a man who until recently was an active member of the party.
That doesn't bother me really. But supposed terror connections bother you.
If so, how can you support that woman? And how can you trust a man--McCain--who puts someome on his ticket who regularly f*#ks a man who's political party hates America?
But I'm sure the truth is...these things DON'T bother you, do they bookworm?
And for the laugh of the day:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_af/af_kenya_obama_author_detained
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Bookworm,
Keep trying.
Expel energy here, not out in the real world (You are not going to change anyone here.)
Your help in getting Obama elected is greatly appreciated!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2008 - 11:40am PT
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Hey booksnoot, not buchanan, Bacevich.
Bet you don't even know who he is, you worthless rethuglican shill.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"it's fair to argue ayers' past deeds should not stand alone in judging the man, but he remains unrepentant and wishes they had done more; so, what the guy thinks today weighs even more than what he did yesterday"
i hate to say i told you so, but it seems you're not actually reading...
show me proof that palin's husband bombed anyone or anything as a form of political protest (good old redneck fun doesn't count) or has said it's an acceptable form of protest, then i'll concede the parallel
and if it's true he hates america, well, the american haters are still at least three to one in obama's favor
i assume your silence on the biden delusion means you agree...why are you voting for him, again?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2008 - 11:49am PT
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Speaking of silence, are yo ugoing to comment on the Bacevich quotes? are you going to read his book, "The Limits of Power"?, where he bashes reagan, bush one and bush 2 with the facts of thier short sighted incompetence?
I bet not.
Crawl back into your apple or your rotten tomato or or your moldy old copy of the reagan revolution or wherever it is you do your worminess, and stop spreading worm crap.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"Sistah Sarah last year gave a speech at a party convention who's founder professed a hatred of America."
Where's the record of that speech I wonder?
PEace
karl
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jstan
climber
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Lois:
Lots of chicken roosting also. Would you not say?
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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McCain now incites his base to chant kill Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo
Who is the real McCain? Is it the spineless, erratic, lying out of touch jerk we've seen the last few months?
Why would he be any different after the election?
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