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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 25, 2008 - 05:07pm PT
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For those who are sick of Palin threads: too bad.
For those who are supporting Palin, listen up. You are about to try to elect someone who can't even put together a coherent thought about policy.
This isn't about left/right ideology.
This isn't about looking smooth on television.
This is about being able to say something--anything--about the direction of the country or the world she could be runnning in less than 4 months. She can't do it!
She may be a heck of a gal. She may have been a decent mayor. She may be a decent governor. She may be a great mom. Cool stuff, if true. But McCain's selection of her as a VP candidate is a god damned travesty. Any of the usual righty VP candidate names would be a million times better than her.
So, here are three interview clips in which she is actually asked to speak in her own words. Her aggressive liberal media interrogator is none other than Katie Couric.
Part 1:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palin_and_Couric.html
Part 2:
Planes fly over Russia: that's why I am qualified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg
(Can you imagine her face to face with Putin?)
Part 3 (The very latest):
How The bailout will help healthcare.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/25/palin-bailout-healthcare/
She is so out of her league. Scarily so. We are very seriously f*#ked if she is elected and is ever called upon to do more than attend funerals.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2008 - 05:49pm PT
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In her own words:
COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was -- kind of made to -- carry -- I don't know, you know? Reporters --
COURIC: Mocked?
PALIN: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.
COURIC: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials.
PALIN: Well, it certainly does because our -- our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They're in the state that I am the executive of. And there in Russia --
COURIC: Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
PALIN: We have trade missions back and forth. We -- we do -- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where -- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to -- to our state.
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kunlun_shan
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SF, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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And she wants to "ramp it up in Afghanistan" too. That'll sure help the economy!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/25/politics/horserace/entry4477239.shtml
Katie Couric: Why is it much more challenging there? Can you explain that?
Sarah Palin: The logistics that we are already suggesting here, not having enough troops in the area right now. The… things like the terrain even in Afghanistan and that border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where, you know, we believe that-- Bin Laden is-- is hiding out right now and… and is still such a leader of this terrorist movement. There… there are many more challenges there. So, again, I believe that… a surge in Afghanistan also will lead us to victory there as it has proven to have done in Iraq. And as I say, Katie, that we cannot afford to retreat, to withdraw in Iraq. That's not gonna get us any better off in Afghanistan either. And as our leaders are telling us in our military, we do need to ramp it up in Afghanistan, counting on our friends and allies to assist with us there because these terrorists who hate America, they hate what we stand for with the… the freedoms, the democracy, the… the women's rights, the tolerance, they hate what it is that we represent and our allies, too, and our friends, what they represent. If we were… were to allow a stronghold to be captured by these terrorists then the world is in even greater peril than it is today. We cannot afford to lose in Afghanistan.
(edit- tooth, found it amusing that you initially posted your msg below 3 times, and have since pared it to 1 )
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tooth
Mountain climber
B.C.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:22pm PT
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Ha ha ha.
How many times does a stupid man have to prove it? The dumb ones never stop.
And Americans will keep chosing the poorest choice - a brain-damaged strokee and a soccer mom to run the US.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 25, 2008 - 06:50pm PT
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I try to stay out of the Palin thing because every breath we spend on her is one less breath spent on discussing the real issues.
Buuuuuuut....... this is well is too deep to ignore. It's like the the Republicans have sequestered Palin for a couple of weeks and filled her with a whole bunch of new words, concepts and ideas. Problem is she can't quite figure out how to string them all together. It's like she was a Scrabble box of words and ideas that was shaken up and tossed out to spew randomly during the rare interviews.
She's getting ripped apart in front of our eyes and I wonder how or what she'll do when she returns to Wasilla/Juneau/Anchorage after losing the election.
Is there any precedent for an ex-candidate suing her running mate because he made a poor choice and therefore defamed her character?
Her debate with Biden is going to be painful to watch.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 25, 2008 - 06:54pm PT
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maldaly, those were my thoughts too.
Last week or so up until last night I mostly turned my attention to other things. The Palin thing had been pretty well discussed. But I find this interview so frightening that I think it is every bit as important as other issues, such as the economy, that are currently receiving news time. She is so completely, thoroughly unqualified it would be laughable if the issues she could potentially face as Pres weren't so serious.
This interview goes beyond my worst fears about her.
And what does it say about McCain that he picked her?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:01pm PT
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Are we up to 50 Palin threads yet?
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Jeremy Handren
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NV
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:02pm PT
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Couldn't get through it dirt.... a complete cringe, I actually felt bad for her.
Although I feel a lot worse about how her nomination must look to the rest of the world.....the world, upon whose faith in us, we rely.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:04pm PT
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TomatoEs
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:06pm PT
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Man, I thought BDS was bad...
Now it's PDS!
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Redwreck
Social climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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Our next door neighbors are foreign countries? Something should be DONE. Maybe shoot 'em from airplanes?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:11pm PT
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hahaha!
a vice presidential candidate....
and people wonder why I never vote.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:23pm PT
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OMG!!!! I'm voting for Obama now fer sure, dude! He's way more qualified. And Biden, hell yeah, that's it, that's my ticket now!
Thanks for opening my deluded eyes.
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 25, 2008 - 07:39pm PT
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You are about to try to elect someone who can't even put together a coherent thought about policy.
I guess they like consistency.
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fowweezer
Trad climber
Pleasant Grove, UT
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Sep 25, 2008 - 10:03pm PT
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dirtbag wrote:
"And what does it say about McCain that he picked her? "
This is the point that needs to get more attention than its getting.
I, too, felt embarassed for her. I think I actually pity her.
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WBraun
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Sep 25, 2008 - 11:10pm PT
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Yeah, like what kind of Governor is she?
She should ah hollered over that Bering straight and invited those so called commies over for dinner some time.
No class man, none.
They could ah sat around after diner and drank vodka and talked sh'it about Putin and Bush and laughed their asses off.
Stupid Governor .........
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 03:12am PT
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OK seriously the only thing more embarrassing than claiming her proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy cred is that she's actually STILL DEFENDING IT. Totally insane.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 05:19am PT
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 09:56am PT
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Ha! :-)
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 26, 2008 - 11:13am PT
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blueguy-
while i (of course) agree with your statement, i cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not...?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 26, 2008 - 11:17am PT
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Matt, shouldn't you be at Le Facelift?
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Scott Wayland
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Sep 26, 2008 - 11:36am PT
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Palin is scaring the sh*t out of me. I'm voting for the B-man but not without some misgivings. I fear, however, America will be dim enough to elect McCain and the beauty queen. But here's the rub: How can ANYONE, after seeing this interview, really believe she's ready for probably the toughest job in the world? I know there are many cool-aid drinkers out there, but fer cryin' out loud.
Bluering: Were you just being sarcastic or are you really and truly okay with this woman being one little stroke or heart attack away from the oval office?
Cheers and beers as the economy melts before our eyes.
Scott
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 11:41am PT
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Putting Amerika first.....
PALIN: 'ONLY FLAG IN MY OFFICE' IS ISRAELI
President Peres of Israel yesterday met for the first time with Governor Palin and with Senator McCain, who called the veteran Israeli statesman "my old friend." The warm handshake and exchange of broad smiles occurred during an international gathering known as the Clinton Global Initiative, hosted by President Clinton. "I wanted to meet you for many years," Ms. Palin told Mr. Peres, according to an aide to the president. "The only flag at my office is an Israeli flag," she was quoted as saying, "and I want you to know and I want Israelis to know that I am a friend."
http://www.nysun.com/national/palin-only-flag-in-my-office-is-israeli/86671
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 26, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
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Palin is a Zionist!!!!
OMG!!!!!!!!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 12:18pm PT
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She's gotta go.
She's far less qualified to run this country than even Bush.
UD, that's even more data!
I read the following column this morning by conservative columnist Kathleen Parker in that shining example of liberal media bias, "Townhall." She is spot on.
http://townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2008/09/26/the_palin_problem
Again, this is a conservative columnist who is sounding the alarm bell.
From the column:
Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I've been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I've also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.
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What to do?
McCain can't repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP's unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.
Only Palin can save McCain, her party and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.
Do it for your country.
As I stated before, putting aside ideological differences, my concerns have to do with fundamental competence to run the government. She is, as Parker points out, frighteningly out of her league.
I don't care, at this point, if McCain apponts another hard-core right winger as Veep. I just want someone who is competent to run the damned government!
We'd be f*#ked if she becomes President. No joke, no hyperbole, ...f*#ked!
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 05:10pm PT
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Dick_Lugar
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Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 26, 2008 - 05:14pm PT
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Wow, she keeps getting worse and worse doesn't she? Comedy and tragedy all in one! The more she talks, the better it gets for Obama! Keep talkin' Palin, keep talkin'!
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Flashlight
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:03pm PT
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Edit: Insert nuke photo here. All the hilarious posts after this one were due to the Russman's nuke photo being here for a few minutes.
Deleted at 1530 hours.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 06:04pm PT
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Nice Jody.
Real f*#king nice.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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I'm pretty sure someone can dig up threads pretty easily with Jody whining about other people doing this kind of stuff.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 06:21pm PT
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Jody doesn't like what someone says so he nukes it.
Oh well, I'm through being nice to him.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:22pm PT
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Something wrong with freedom of speech Jody? Why do you hate America?
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 06:25pm PT
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He's a cry baby. Always has been. A big whiney baby. Does stuff like this and then complains when everyone picks on him. Then he'll retreat (or in many cases, create second IDs), lick his wounds, and do it again.
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Flashlight
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:27pm PT
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LOL! I logged on to delete the nuke but it is too much fun watching you folks whine. :)
Dirtbag...I can't read your post. You have to scroll too much.
What does it say?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:27pm PT
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Poor Jody. Start a thread about how persecuted Christians are. That will make you feel better I'm sure.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 06:28pm PT
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Yep. Predictable.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:44pm PT
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Jody and Palin have allot in common.
Both are whining little bitches (with lipstick).
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 06:49pm PT
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:)
You guys are making my day.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 26, 2008 - 08:31pm PT
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":)
You guys are making my day. "
Translation: I'm getting my jollies acting like a petulant little child.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 09:23pm PT
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LOL!
You just need to find your sense of humor also.
Sorry you didn't get it. :)
Find your happy place dirtbag.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2008 - 04:46am PT
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Lois, I really don't care what you think about Palin anymore. You won't even listen to her interviews.
The reason I'm harping on the interviews is because it is genuine red-flag, alarm-bell stuff. If those interviews are any indication, our country is in serious danger if she is called upon to serve.
Even righties are beginning to chime in. That's the point of the article.
You are sadly, willfully uninformed about this. I have little patience or interest in talking to you. You resort to trite quips about elitists, left-right stuff, etc. instead of taking an interest in learning.
Sorry.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 27, 2008 - 04:54am PT
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And here's another article summarizing concerns by conservatives and including several interview clips
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13991.html
Maybe something will actually come of this?
Maybe Fatty will intervene? Fatty, save us!!! LOL.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 27, 2008 - 11:19pm PT
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Fareed is one of the smartest and reasonable people you'll ever see.
Also, LEB, righties DO in fact hang out on the NYT op-ed pages. Even Bill Krystal has a column.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 28, 2008 - 01:52am PT
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So you have heard her Couric interview?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 28, 2008 - 02:00am PT
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LEB
"The question is whether she helps him enough to get elected. She was a gambit he took and a calculated move. If he wins, then obviously it will have been a good move."
Good move for him but what about the country. (particularly since he's old with cancer)
choosing the wrong person could be a disaster for the nation so that speaks to HIS qualifications
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 28, 2008 - 02:08am PT
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Lois, the point as always, is that you're not paying attention. in the interview, Palin didn't have the remotest clue what the financial meltdown or bailout was about.
That's central and critical to our nation at this moment. She's not running for cheerleader.
Peace
Karl
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 28, 2008 - 02:10am PT
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actually, palin reminds me of a less ugly version of lowest
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