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dirtbag
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Sep 13, 2008 - 01:27am PT
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And what does it say about a McCain presidency?
These aren't distortions, hyperbole, or exaggerations. These are outright lies.
I can't remember a campaign that unflinchingly put out such stuff.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:47am PT
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Um......Bush? It hasn't been THAT long.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2008 - 03:53am PT
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McCain is running a dirtier campaign than Bush did.
Why are McCain and Palin fixated on having with idea of having sex with kindergarteners. Sick, sick, sick!
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WBraun
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:36pm PT
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Skipt ....
You are hypnotized by the political machines, their "education" and the mass media.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:44pm PT
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"When you grow up it gets easier."
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:48pm PT
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Yep, the perception of the person being tortured or bombed is much different then the perception of the person doing the torturing or the bombing.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:55pm PT
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Skipt, nice dodge, but it doesn't address the lies by McPain.
BTW, Palin did try to ban books and Obama's campaign said Palin's kids were off-limits.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 13, 2008 - 01:40pm PT
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Skip...you make me sad.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:06pm PT
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Dick wrote: Skip...you make me sad.
Makes me laugh...spoon fed his whole life...he just opens it and takes what is given him.
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liberalsimisamentaldisorder
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Ohio
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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Dirtbag, she did not try to ban any books. Quit believing everything you read on the Daily KOS or all the bogus DNC emails you get. Even the Huffington Post (I'm sure another source for your rhetoric)has said she didn't. There were several books on the so-called list of books she supposedly wanted to ban that weren't even written at the time. Grab a straw.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:58pm PT
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Enough with the lipstick on a pig nonsense. McCain referred to Hilary's policies that way. He didn't mean it persoanlly about Hilary any more than Obama did about Palin. And if Hilary had said anything, the GOP would have called her overly-sensitive. Is that how you think of Palin?
However, aside from miscellaneous internet slander, the non-partisan fact-checking seem to see more issues with what the McCain campaign is saying, and also that Obama's campaign is correcting things more quickly.
Pretty sad, given how badly McCain got screwed by this crap in 2000. So much for the "straight talk express". Now it's more like the Rove Express.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:59pm PT
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Skip,
The more people learn about Palin the less they're going to like her. Better to keep her covered up, then, and out of any situation where she might open her mouth and say something stupid. Oops, too late for that...even when Mr. Gibson interviewed with soft questions, she showed inability to grasp the important issues facing this country. All she can say is what her advisors (working around the clock, I presume!) tell her to say...you know, sound bites that don't mean anything and invariably evade the questions.
Oh yeah...why don't you analyze the "facts" you pull up time and time again. They're like Palin's answers - they don't mean anything and they don't really detract from Obama's character or judgement. You're trying to tell us all that we shouldn't vote for him because he is aligned with...terrorists? You're an idiot, plain and simple.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:05pm PT
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Yawn, I can't wait for November 5.
What would be earth-shattering - in a sense - if there was a Ron Paul/Cynthia McKinney ticket (these things do happen, just not in a two-party, albeit one, system like America) that actually won the White House.
Ain't gonna happen. Ever. Sadly.
Unless there is a revolution.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:07pm PT
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SKip,
Your understanding of the issues goes about as deep as Palin's does. You both think in black and white. You refuse to recognize the complexity of all issues. And you ignore all evidence to the contrary of your own misguided opinions.
McCain/Palin got a bounce alright...but it will play out too early to help in the general election. The backlash is going on right now, as McCain gets back publicity for being dishonest and dishonorable with his comments and ads. He's a poor, weak man now. His supposed good judgement is a farce, just look at his hasty decision to pick Palin (the laughing stock of the whole world!!!) as his VP hopeful.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:20pm PT
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"Dirtbag, she did not try to ban any books. Quit believing everything you read on the Daily KOS or all the bogus DNC emails you get. Even the Huffington Post (I'm sure another source for your rhetoric)has said she didn't. There were several books on the so-called list of books she supposedly wanted to ban that weren't even written at the time. Grab a straw. "
Totally false.
Notice I never said anything about the supposed list of banned books? That much is false.
Nice straw man.
But she DID look into banning books and she DID try to have the librarian fired who told her she fight anyone who tried it.
I get my so-called "propaganda" here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5766173&page=1
I realize you and your fellow kool-aid drinking Palin teet-suckers have problems telling propaganda from news.
I have to admit though, it is pretty amusing to watch the right-wing's mental gymnastics in defending her scant qualifications.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:46pm PT
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"When you grow up it gets easier. " .....skip
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:46pm PT
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Yo, Skip:
"The local newspaper reporter who covered the controversy, Paul Stuart, claims he was later told by the librarian that Palin wanted three specific books removed from the library. "
And she did try to have the librarian fired too.
"The report quotes the librarian as responding, "I told her clearly I will fight anyone who tries to indicate what books can go on the library shelves."
The same week that Palin raised the issue she fired Baker (then using her married name Emmons) as librarian, claiming she was not "loyal" to the new administration and had supported Palin's opponent in the election. She said the dismissal was not connected to questions of censorship, and that she had dismissed all city department heads and told them they could re-apply for their jobs."
Oh, I'm sure that's just a coincidence. LOL!
It's all there too, as well as in stories found elsewhere on MSM sites, if you care to look.
You can read, right? I mean, more than just selective reading?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 04:22pm PT
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Hmmm...
So...
-The fact that the reporter swears the librarian said Palin inquired about banning books 12 years ago
-And, contemporary accounts support what the reporter swears
-And, her church was trying to get several books banned at the time
-And, she tried to get the librarian fired shortly after this
doesn't mean anything to you?
Instead, you seem to putting a lot of weight into the fact that the librarian either doesn't seem to remember the incident (which is unlikely since it created a pretty big stir, unless she experienced some kind of decline in memory) or more likely, wants the controversy to go away without actually getting Palin off the hook.
And you call me a liar or confused.
Too funny.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Sep 13, 2008 - 04:59pm PT
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"You all have not a clue as to who John McCain is and what he represents. "
Skipt,
This is the exact point.
What the hell does this man stand for?
Is it what he states now days?
Is it what he stated back in 2000? 2004? or anywhere in between?
Or is it, as Fatty has suggested, some other "unseen" agenda /positions?
I used to have major respect for the man, but no more.
Now that he has lost all his maveric-backbone he is thus a spineless clone of the republican tool-shop, which is really sad.
You could educate us all and tell us who he is and what he represents since;
1. None of who he is or what he stands for was explained to us at/via the RNC.
2. No one can glean anything from his web site.
3. No one can glean anything from news reports.
4. None of his political commercials explain his positions.
So, please do tell.......
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 05:02pm PT
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Good post Doug.
He doesn't seem to be the same man we saw in 2000.
Or maybe we is and we just didn't see the side of him?
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noshoesnoshirt
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hither and yon
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Sep 13, 2008 - 05:13pm PT
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I heard she was for the bridge-to-nowhere before she was against it.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2008 - 08:19pm PT
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When the brains were being passed out, someone got "skipt." And now I "skipt" past all of his posts.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
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There is no question that McCain is running a dirtier campaign and that he is ahead in the polls. Is Obama too clean? Should he be getting down into dirt and doing some mudslinging of his own?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:33pm PT
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did we really need another Sarah is a bitch thread?
f*#k, you guys drive me nuts!!!
and I love politics too.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:39pm PT
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Reporter: Excuse me candidate A. Do you think it was wrong for Russia to attack the independent country of Georgia?
Candidate: Yes I do.
Reporter: And do you believe that if we were to send aid to Georgia or allow them to join NATO it may create a negative impact on our relations with Russia? Maybe even lead to war??
Candidate: Well yes, I suppose that is possible.
Reporter: Aha, I caught you. You're a WARMONGER. You hate peace. You want to kill all of the children in the world.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:40pm PT
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Child killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gahhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:42pm PT
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Geez, I shoulda said baby. Baby Killer just sounds better.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 13, 2008 - 09:01pm PT
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I appreciate the insightful post but the quote
"several seemed to suggest I was being disloyal"
And others like it always make my stomach feel funny. Do we all vote along the lines of loyalty? Should we vote for someone simply because or their gender or ethnic background or even because of their parties platform? The whole thing bothers me when people try to accuse past, or present, presidents for all of our economic woes etc. They are the executive branch. His most important duty is as Commander in Chief. If you don't have any experience with the military you really can't understand how this works. Other than that he is limited by what he can get approved through Congress. You want to see some real freaks take a look at your elected congressional members who have been there for years. Why make such a big deal over the Presidential campaign and none over your congressional elections?
And who gives a rats ass about loyalty. The way I look at it is I get to be the guy that hires my new boss. Do I want this guy running my company?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 14, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
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Lois quit milking a dead cow. Hillary is much more valuable as a strong Senator from NY than as a token woman VP. Biden is a competent and experienced person and a perfect choice to be VP.
Palin as a VP choice only reaffirms McSame's age and poor health as well as the disasterous shift towards radical religious fundimentalism of the Republican party.
So Lois, since McSame stands against so much of what you profess to believe in, exactly why would you NEVER consider Barack Obama for president. It comes accross that you are a closet racist.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 14, 2008 - 03:58pm PT
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Philo, Philo,...check the calendar; you're getting started far too early. Wait until after the election to start throwing the accusations around. Let me help you here: Americans are racist; Americans are stupid, ill educated morons; the Reps stole the election. Of course, if Obama wins you won't be able to to do the above; and I know that will be a disappointment.
Show a little patience. You will have to be quick because there will be others on ST that will try to beat you to the punch so practice, practice and practice until you can post more quickly that they.
Heh, hang in there and good luck.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 14, 2008 - 04:26pm PT
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"You all have not a clue as to who John McCain is and what he represents. "
Funny you said the exact same thing about Palin. The truth is that you don't have a clue either. It's just easier to pretend like you do and not talk about it.
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