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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 11, 2008 - 12:46am PT
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I can't stand her and needed to vent, as far as I am concerned she is an arrogant, soulles, inauthentic, bitch, irresponsible-five kids, sheesh....
Here is a great link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQK1al91drs
btw...Woody is sitting across the room laughing at me....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:52am PT
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How irresponsible can she be with 5 kids and a cool hubby? All the while running a city and then a state. She kicks ass!!!! and Woody should kick your ass!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Nutsonthechin, Wisconsin
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Sep 11, 2008 - 12:57am PT
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Jealousy will get you nowhere in the new administration.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 12:59am PT
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It is irresponsible having that many children in a world of diminishing resources. But oh yeah, Palin would just drill, shoot, gut and hang them by their heels to drain their blood out!!!!! -innocent animals-
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 01:00am PT
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Hell, I'm not jealous Russ! last thing I want is to be a politician!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:01am PT
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^^^ silly liberal ^^^
Yeah, we should just die off and leave the 'world' alone.
hippy!!!!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:07am PT
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Here was your chance Blue to see the hypocrisy and decry it, but you chose to ignore the point of the video, which was that right wing reporting and spin doctores are so incredibly biased its sad.
Thanks karen for the laugh.
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal Hell
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 01:16am PT
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Blue, I don't wear tie die t-shirts, not a vegetarian, no dread locks, don't smell bad, and look rather conservative, nope no hippy here~ just a realist who can see the consequences of too many children brought into this world!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:19am PT
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I'm not seeing the hypocracy here. What's the reality? What's you point?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:23am PT
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You don't see the hypocrisy? Did you watch the video?
Say one thing, do another. Thats hypocrisy.
Palin tells other women to suck it up and deal, but she hides from the press. Thats hypocrisy.
Every scene in that video was about incredible hypocrisy.
And yes, I understand that it exists in the Dems. For once just see it in your own party and go. Sh#t,.. that sucks. I wish they would stop that crap.
Edit: See... if we all agree its crap, then we have a chance at stopping it, but if instead we defend our party based on party lines, then it will just continue.
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:28am PT
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Thanks, Karen - that's just good entertainment there...lol!
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:29am PT
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5 kids is irresponsible? I'm number four of six :( where do I lie?
That argument has always been (and will always be) asanine. But please, don't procreate. We don't need any more whiners in this world.
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:29am PT
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Convictions of Convenience
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marky
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:41am PT
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her baby daddy sure looks like a dumb motherf*#k
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:48am PT
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careful tr that's hippy talk.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:51am PT
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All Threads have currently been diverted...no more posting unless you post to a FACELIFT THREAD...you have been Hijacked....hehehe Forget BORING POLITICS
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:52am PT
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All Threads have currently been diverted...no more posting unless you post to a FACELIFT THREAD...you have been Hijacked....hehehe Forget BORING POLITICS ....Lynners
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 11, 2008 - 02:07am PT
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Check out the new daddy to be's face book or myspace page (not sure which)-- it's pretty idiotic, but the BEST part is where he says he does NOT want kids. LOL.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Sep 11, 2008 - 02:09am PT
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dirtineye, did you not just read you have no life, you have been HIJACKED ?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 11, 2008 - 02:20am PT
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LEB, you are a total idiot.
Kindly shut the fvck up now.
Sorry Lynne, I was actually climbing last week. There might even be a miserable boring trip report about Laurel Knob and Big Green, featuring ME, The maid, and the star and savior of the weekend , Shannon Stegg.
OF course he did subject us to the Shannon Stegg gets lost on purpose Big Green Chigger Death March. Very scenic, very buggy.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 11, 2008 - 02:58am PT
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Keep it up Lois; you're driving their blood pressure through the ceiling. When Karen came in all I did was innocently whisper "Lipstick on a pig" and all hell broke loose. Gee, I thought I'd have to call the neighbors in to tie her down. Some folks are really touchy these days.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 11, 2008 - 03:19am PT
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YOU repugnicant morons are about to sell the country to the rich for 4 more years and you call us touchy?
I call you Fvcking IDIOTS.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Sep 11, 2008 - 04:08am PT
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hey there dear folks... say, i did notice on thing here, not about the subject title though...but about having many kids...
and i dont mean no wrong to anyone, but i do need to add one note of thought:
after one of the more recent devestations in china, (i cannot remember the recent date) but there were folks in china that had lost their only child (as they were not allowed to have more than one child) and yes, perhaps if they had had more kids, things could have been worse in their family-food situation, or, they perhaps could have lost MORE than one child, but i kind of think (and that is just me, here) that they sure would have loved to have had at least a chance to have had more kids born, so that life could go on, with some that could have possibly survived, and thus, had some kind of a special family way left to them--one that they do not have now.... (not meaning that the single child that died, was not special)... and of course, that would mean an even bigger struggle for life, and not just for themself, but for the surviving child--but then, that is part of life... to try to live and care for your family, and sometimes care for them, above your own needs...
well, i think what i was just trying to say is, that having someone to love is special, and if some folks want a lot of kids, they must go by their heart, even if the world says it is "wrong".... not quite sure why i feel this way, but there is just something very special about having families, even large ones....
course, we all know what can happen if they are not raised right, and they become full of hate, etc.... but even one child full of hate, can do as much damage, perhaps, as a handful... and who knows, maybe the handful, can find some way to work together for the whole of there family, even better than one should or would perchance to do... one can't always tell....
so... this is a very tricky limitation to put on human folks...
but, sure didnt mean it wrong against any of you all, just wanted to share, since i am a mom....
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:06am PT
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McCain/Lipstick'08!!!
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Jim E
climber
Mountain Road
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:27am PT
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Of course the Dems are fired up. Of course they are investigating Palin. Of course they are looking for every little bit of dirt. Nasty political tactics for sure, taken right from the Karl Rove campaign handbook.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:44am PT
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Woody,
It's not our blood pressure that's up. It's our complete and utter astonishment about the the GOP has so completely rallied the troops by playing to the lowest common denominator.
dirtineye,
Easy there buddy. I agree LEB is a bonehead. She's been asked lots of time to support her views and has declined to do so time and time again. But still, let's keep this civil.
bookworm,
If you'd have done your research, you'd learn that that Daily Telegraph piece was written by a conservative talking head in Virginia. You'll also note that the author does not provide any facts to support his opinions. Typical of what we've been hearing all along about Palin. Lots of fluff; no facts.
Just one example: "She killed the Bridge to Nowhere."
The facts: She initially supported it, then changed her mind once the New York Times did a front page piece on it and McCain cited it as an example of pork. Nevertheless, she kept the federal funds intended for the bridge and spent them on highway projects on the island (the "Nowhere") the bridge was to link to the mainland.
That's reform (ahem, I mean lies) for ya! Sarah Palin is pork.
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:48am PT
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Basically, McCain blamed the 35W bridge collapse (in Minnesota) on wasted funds, including the Palin-supported Alaska Bridge projects and the subsequent $223 million that went towards Alaska.
Hehehe.
Bush/Cheney'08!!!
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:53am PT
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I hear Palin is gonna be the new spokesperson for Cover Girl lipstick.
Oh, and she signed on as the new spokesperson for "Sharpie", since she's the new "rock star", signing autographs like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton.
Hehehe.
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Dolomite
climber
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Sep 11, 2008 - 01:17pm PT
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Having a kid at 44, when you already have 4 kids is irresponsible. Choosing to have a child with Downs is not necessarily irresponsible in and of itself. But choosing to have him and then shuffle off his care on others--which she is most obviously doing--is clearly irresponsible.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 11, 2008 - 09:31pm PT
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Hey Dirt,
1.They are all rich brother. Don't buy into the bs trying to lead you into believing any of them had a life of hardship. Ivy league school and all. Hardship my ass.
2.Please do post a boring TR. I want to get out there to LK!
3. Shannon Stegg is still climbing?! I think SS is in every FA down here.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:34pm PT
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Jbar,
1. yep.
2. Yes, you SHOULD go there, it's awesome! Never thought I would live to see it much less climb there with my pals.
3. Everyone (climbers anyway) in the south knows that God keeps Shannon around for entertainment purposes, LOL. He's indestructible. One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet too.
Lois, how long are you going to insist on being brick dumb?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 12, 2008 - 02:04am PT
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In a stroke of brilliance today, Palin linked the attacks on 9/11 to the war in Iraq. Considering that Bush even now admits that they had nothing to do with each other, this is pretty amazing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews
FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska, Sept. 11 -- Gov. Sarah Palin linked the war in Iraq with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, telling an Iraq-bound brigade of soldiers that included her son that they would "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 12, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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From the article: "But it is widely agreed that militants allied with al-Qaeda have taken root in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion."
So she is correct.
But the local Shiites and Sunni insurgents only tolerate al-Qaeda because they are helping fight us. If we left Iraq, al-Qaeda would not longer be welcome.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Sep 12, 2008 - 05:58pm PT
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Well, one thing's for certain: I do have an impending sense of doom. Not that I'm a Dem, I'm more of a Libertarian. But if so many Americans are suckered into believing the Regrugitoids AGAIN, then I guess we deserve all we get.
How can folks on one hand say that Obama doesn't have enough experience, yet believe Palin does? It makes total sense, if you see that no matter what happens, dump people believe the lies they're being told.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Sep 12, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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It is truly amazing to me that the republican supporters, such as LEB, are so happy to see Palin help McCain win the election, but don't care what she can do once in the office. Her experience and beliefs scare me. That is just my opinion and I don't believe everyone should feel like me. Even McCain has stated that the VP's main job is to be ready to take command if soemthing should happen to the President. I think McCain threw out his own advise and went with someone who would help him win, not lead. Winning is too important to all of these politicians there is simply too much money involved. Taking care of the American people does not pay well. Taking care of special interest does pay well!
take care
dave
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 12, 2008 - 08:26pm PT
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I'm going to buy Karen the entire set.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
hither and yon
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Sep 12, 2008 - 10:30pm PT
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Amazing, she's even got McCain's rictus.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 12, 2008 - 10:56pm PT
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hey this is really GREAT!
i never have the opportunity to have anything this close to an actual conversation with people who are such genuine IDIOTS as you guys are!
tell me this-
what had george bush ever CHANGED!?!
we can all agree that he certainly CHANGED the world, can we not?
he CHANGED our prosperous economy
he CHANGED our standing in the world by allowing our repeated disgrace and shredding our very constitution
he CHANGED our feeling of security by blowing off richard clarke's warnings and ignoring the PDB titled "osama bin laden determined to attack inside the unite states"
...need i continue?
yer mcsame sap is a COMPLETE SELL OUT
seen smooching the cheek of the very man who had SMEARED HIS FAMILY
and just to have the promise of support in '08!
and you sheeple mostly didn't want him as your nominee!
he won as the rest imploded-
he only has anyone's attention because he put a MILF on the ticket!
ok seriously-
i hope mcsame wins and abruptly dies!
let's give all of you anti-reality as#@&%es exactly what you are asking for..
(idiots, all of you, sheesh...)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 12, 2008 - 11:08pm PT
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Keep ranting on to oblivion Matt.
This ought to be fun to watch.
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Jeremy Handren
climber
NV
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:05am PT
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I've been plowing through the Gibson interviews bit by bit, and the overall impression is of someone who has a very limited grasp of the issues facing our nation.
Maybe you "connect" with her maybe you don't, she undoubtably has had an enormous positive effect on the McCain campaign.......but in terms of policy, please don't pretend that Palin brings anything of substance to the table.
This is someone who has a decent chance of becoming president if McCain is elected, and that should be an unsettling thought for any American.
There is a line up of issues on the near horizon that promises to make the next presidency one of the most challenging of modern times.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Nutsonthechin, Wisconsin
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Sep 13, 2008 - 12:24am PT
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Matt, you are one fukked up dude...... wishing people would die so other asssholes, seemingly fellow Supertopians, get what they deserve. Just plain sad. All this from a lefty peacenik. Guess the love beads ain't workin' anymore.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Sep 13, 2008 - 01:09am PT
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What's not to like about Palin? McCain picked a fine republican, that's for sure!
1) She is opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest (even if victims are children)
2) She offered a bounty of $150 for each right front leg of freshly killed wolves
3) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power
4) She strongly supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
5) She supports the Alaskan Independence Party which seeks independence from the United States (VIDEO)
6) She is a champion for big oil and her campaign slogan has become "Drill, baby, drill!"
7) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools
8) She believes man-made global warming is a farce
9) She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species because it might limit oil exploitation
10) While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books
11) She supports aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban the practice
12) She used $400,000 of state money to fund a propaganda campaign in support of aerial hunting
13) As mayor of Wasilla, she made rape victims pay for their own forensic evidence kits
For links to supporting journal citations, go to:
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:06am PT
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Good list. I think I'll vote for her.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 13, 2008 - 04:00am PT
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Gov. Tony Knowles and current Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein -- both Democrats -- accused Palin of misleading the public in her new role as the vice presidential running mate of Arizona Sen. John McCain.
While some of their complaints have already been aired, Knowles broke new ground while answering a reporters question on whether Wasilla forced rape victims to pay for their own forensic tests when Palin was mayor.
True, Knowles said.
Eight years ago, complaints about charging rape victims for medical exams in Wasilla prompted the Alaska Legislature to pass a bill -- signed into law by Knowles -- that banned the practice statewide.
"There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this, and that was Wasilla," Knowles said.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:46am PT
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"It is irresponsible having that many children in a world of diminishing resources"
You would fit right in with the Chinese government.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
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Sep 13, 2008 - 09:17am PT
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the earth has its ways of balancing out the population...see dinosaurs for all you non-creationists. For all you creationists, read about Noah and the flood. or Revelations. Like Palin, i enjoy shhoting things from the air, i.e. dogs and cats from rooftops. Just like aerial huntin'!!
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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russ wrote:
"Matt, you are one fukked up dude...... wishing people would die so other asssholes, seemingly fellow Supertopians, get what they deserve. Just plain sad. All this from a lefty peacenik. Guess the love beads ain't workin' anymore."
yeah russ, that was f*#ked up, and that was the very point of it pal.
btw, there is a wide sarchasm between you and i, or so it seems.
here's one for you guys that go on about mccain's "character":
in 2000 he said pat robertson and some of his fellow prominent evangelical preachers were "agents of intolerance". he then lost the south carolina primary, lost super tuesday, and lost the nomination of his party to a governor who had barely even set foot in another country, but went on and on about his "faith".
in 2008 he reached out to pat robertson, he won south carolina, he won super tuesday, and he won the nomination of his party, and then as VP he selected a governor who has barely even set foot in another country (i.e. "gW in a dress").
i thought character was defined "doing the right thing when nobody else is looking"? apparently "character" in the GOP is defined as cowtowing to those few power brokers who are really in charge?
yeah, that's some CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!
and russ, i'll pick being a "f*#ked up dude" in some peoples eye's over being a full on idiot any f*#king day-
and you people who seriously don't recognize just how uncomfortably close (i.e. "a heartbeat away") we'd all be to a massive global crisis if mccain/palin win this election are truly as blind as bats. i find it really shocking that anyone with any amount of mental capacity at all would not immediately dismiss it as a ridiculous risk for our nation and for the world as a whole.
so am i f*#ked up?
well yeah, just the thought of it is f*#king me up.
every one of "the founding fathers" (whom the right wing is so fond of championing when it's convenient) would be turning over in his grave.
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liberalsimisamentaldisorder
climber
Ohio
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:58pm PT
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Wow Matt, pure class....NOT. Wishing someone's death to prove a point? How about what happens if Obama wins. Think some racist redneck may take him out? It wouldn't surprise me a bit, but I wouldn't wish that on Obama just because my views are different than his. I think you are the idiot!
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:58pm PT
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There's some real love in this thread.
Carry on.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:54pm PT
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Bear Creek Spire?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:54pm PT
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I watched Palin's first interview. Without a pre-written speech she didn't do so well.
Did you hear her the three ways she said they were going to distingish themselves from Bush's economic polices? Cut taxes, reduce spending and increase regulatory oversight.
As both mayor and governor she has increased taxes and increased spending. Ideologically she has been anti-regulation.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Sep 14, 2008 - 02:29am PT
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Lois,
Put a little food in their bowls and give them a pat on the head; reasoning with Beagles is a waste of time.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 14, 2008 - 02:31am PT
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Lois, did you watch her interview with Charles Gibson? Are you as enthusiastic about her now?
This was the first interview--the first time she's had to answer questions on the spot in her own words--she gave since her selection was announced so she had plenty of time to prepare.
Charles Gibson was being very nice but it was painful to watch, to the point where I felt embarrassed and sorry for her.
I don't think they are going to let her give very many other interviews or unscripted speeches.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 14, 2008 - 09:56am PT
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Woody wrote: Lois,
Put a little food in their bowls and give them a pat on the head; reasoning with Beagles is a waste of time.
Woody...most of know the why and what she
he has done for McCain...we just don't agree with her on issues.
She is divider...just like Bush and from what I can see not much smarter and even less worldly than he was. So you have hick chick from Alaska and McCain who was 845 out 847 in his class...easy to see the appeal to the republican base.
Dumbing down has been popular in America for the last eight years.
She got her ass handed to her by the biggest pussycat in the media (Charlie Gibson) and I can't wait for the debates.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
hither and yon
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Sep 14, 2008 - 10:21am PT
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Hijack
Someone say Bear Creek Spire?
Edit: don't take the 5.10 variation around the OW, it's got rock like dried oatmeal
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Sep 14, 2008 - 11:54am PT
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To the McCain/Lipstick'08 ticket I'll say,
"Thanks, but no thanks." Hehehe.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sep 14, 2008 - 12:00pm PT
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"Satan can appear as an Angel of Light" as the good book says.
She is one scary (perhaps good looking) devil.
Religious Extremists are taking over the US:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3992696
She and they have an agenda. Don't be fooled. They will do anything to attain it, even stealing the election which they are now in full swing to do so. They can't win without cheating and stealing.
She is not Christian. Far from it.
If McSame/Palin get into office it is game over. We all lose. Kiss the Constitution good-bye and say hello to full on Police State and Fascism.
You might as well go climbing now while you know you have some freedom.
And yet there are some here on ST that think that all of this is just fine and A-O-K.
You have no soul. You deserve what you will get.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 14, 2008 - 12:33pm PT
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Palin basically hried all her old friends to work as political appointees in important gov't positions with no qualifications.
"So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency."
Sound familiar?
"Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials."
She also mischaracterized (lied) about state scientists' recommendations regarding the threat to polar bears.
"Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process.
When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages through a federal records request he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.
Their secrecy is off the charts, Mr. Steiner said."
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dirtbag
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:21pm PT
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Lois you sure do presume to know a lot about how people feel.
I never seen a less experienced or tested person be put in such a position. But whatever.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:25pm PT
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I never seen a less experienced or tested person be put in such a position.
How about Barak Hussein Obama Jr. ?
Every time you bring her up it confirms the comparison.
Keep it up!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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Go ahead, make the comparison.
He also has been tested on the national stage now for two years, being grilled relentlessly about his views, and has survived a lot of national heat put on him. In the meantime, he has run a campaign that beat the party establishment's favorite. Those are good skills to have. He's not the most experienced candidate and I've always felt his experneice was thin, but he has enough.
Let's look at Palin.
I read an interesting article today about what she actually did as mayor and what kinds of issues the Mayor of Wasilla she faced. If you think the issues she has faced are similar to the ones she has faced as mayor, or that she is ready for prime time, you are on crack.
Even McCain knows this: why do you think he's been hiding her from journalists?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:33pm PT
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LEB how many times can you say the same thing over and over again. Try this on for size. "The fact that you are upset by Bush is a very good sign." We are upset because Republicans keep dragging this country down the same stupid destructive path and here you are agreeing that you don't like the direction of the country and then supporting the same stupid candidates with the same stupid policies that got us here in the first place. It is YOU who have lost sight of reality. "I can't believe you would get so excited about Obama omg Palin swoooooooooooooooooooooooooon."
Obama is running against McCain AND Palin. Jesus where do you guys get this stuff. It's Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin. If something happens to McCain then Plain WILL BE PRESIDENT. How hard is that to understand? It's not some internship for future politicians. It's the real thing.
SHE doesn't piss me off. People like YOU do. "Oh hey that Bush fellow didn't work out let's elect other people who do the EXACT SAME CRAP and then hope it turns out differently."
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:36pm PT
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McCain did a great job of pandering. Yaaay.
In 2000 he sternly scolded the "agents of intolerance" in his party. Now he's kissing his their asses. Sad.
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noshoesnoshirt
climber
hither and yon
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
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"Ultimately the pocketbook will rule, just as it always does. In spite of the lofty things people say, that (the pocketbook) is always the bottom line. "
Yeppers. Fortunately, the strong conservative hand of the republican party has kept true to their smaller-govt, fiscal-responsibility roots for the last eight years, giving us a rosy economy today.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
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Lois is right.
Palin pisses off the right people (Matt, HiDesertDJ, Weschrist, etc).
When was the last time a Democrat on here had something positive to say about their boy, Obama?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2008 - 01:58pm PT
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"When was the last time a Democrat on here had something positive to say about their boy, Obama? "
Chaz, funny how you pounced all over Obama for some kind of supposed sexist lipstick on a pig comment, dismissing the idea it could have been an innocent remark, then you go and refer to a black man as "boy."
I do not think you meant anything racist by this, but I do believe you were far to quick to jump down Obama's throat. This is a good example how easy it is to say something that could be construed as offensive.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sep 14, 2008 - 02:02pm PT
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I said the same thing about Clinton, Gore, and Kerry.
To NOT refer to Obama, at least once, as "your boy" would have been discriminatory.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 14, 2008 - 02:49pm PT
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Chaz we're pissed because she has "just like Bush" written all over her. If that's something for you to get excited about then be my guest.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 02:18am PT
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If McCain/Palin got elected, and I were McCain, the first thing I'd do as president is appoint a food taster. Then quietly tell the secret service or homeland security not to let Palin have any weapons when anywhere near the president. And make her eat with plastic cutlery.
Palin isn't running for president, McCain is. He should be judged in part on his choice of her. And neither is saying much about the issues.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:18am PT
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Lis, you STILL have not read The Dark Side, have you?
And you won't.
Bcause then you would have to face what YOU have wrought.
Three other books for ou to skip since you woulc actually have to learnm just how pathetic your party is are, "What;s the matter with Kansas?", 'The Wrecking Crew", and "The Limits of Power".
Read all those, then see if you can still vote republican.
Oh lord what am I saying, of COURSE you can, cause the truth and the facts have no effect on you and your ilk whatsoever.
Enjoy ruining the country for the average guy and handing everyrthing to the rich.
PS They do appreciate your vote, but they don't give a damn about you. They never have. they laugh at people like you.
I'm afraid you are going to find this out the hard way if McCain wins, and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:22am PT
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Hey LEB I bet if you took what I said to some crazy extreme that I didn't go to then you wouldn't have to actually acknowledge what I actually keep saying oh wai...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 12:20pm PT
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I particularly look forward to Ms. Palin's informed and well-reasoned views as to what policy and economic decisions the government should make as a result of recent events to do with Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Lehmann Brothers, etc etc. No doubt Wall Street will be all ears.
Darn issues. They keep intruding into an election that the Republicans would prefer have focus on the supposed values of the candidates, rather than their experience and skills, their thoughts on the direction of the country, and views on key policy issues.
Ms. Palin's "values" may help her and McCain get elected, but they won't do much for good governance.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 15, 2008 - 12:33pm PT
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Lois, there was nothing profane or abusive in what I wrote to you in the above post.
Typical of you to miss the point yet AGAIN though.
YOU refuse to even look at the evidence, and yet you demand fair and decent treatment for your idiotic views.
So, since logic and reason do not work on you, kindly go screw yourself.
I hope you lose everything in the depression you are helping to create.
IDIOT.
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OGBO
Trad climber
Palo Alto, CA
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Sep 15, 2008 - 12:53pm PT
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The OP complained about Palin having 5 kids. Hmmmm, the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (from my state out here on the Left Coast, neighboring District) has 5 kids. This is a reason to disqualify a woman from office?
There are plenty of reasons to vote for someone else without resorting to outdated sexist statements - like political philosophy, record in the offices they have held, the issues on how they would run their elected office in other words. There's way too much distorted nonsense and promotion of false rumors as "fact" - on ALL sides (not just Reps and Dems - add the Naderites and Ron Pauls in there as well)
Problem with this whole campaign on the part of all the parties (7 official parties here in Calif!) is that no one is talking the real issues.
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Jim E
climber
Mountain Road
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Sep 15, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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What I really want to know is can Sarah Palin actually gut a moose.
Has anyone witnessed her gutting a moose? And when they say "gut" do they mean just cutting the stomach open or field dressing it or fully dressing it out? My understanding is there is a huge difference.
Dirt, you know better than to waist your words on LEB. She's stuck in the 70's Reblican paradigm. She will continue to beat that old drum 'til her fingers turn to dust. She bought the "tax and spend liberals" thing hook, line, and sinker. Reality doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Palin can gut a moose.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 15, 2008 - 01:00pm PT
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re:
"The OP complained about Palin having 5 kids. Hmmmm, the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (from my state out here on the Left Coast, neighboring District) has 5 kids. This is a reason to disqualify a woman from office? "
pelosi entered public life when her youngest child was a senior in HS, palin's youngest is a 4 month old special needs child. there is no comparison there, at least not for anyone with their eyes open.
this sort of talking point is typical of the right these days, they are intellectually bankrupt and they expect enough of you to be TOO STUPID (lowest) to notice.
it's exactly the same as what they have tried with the "experience matters" line.
obama has convinced enough of the electorate that he has the judgement to govern and lead the country in spite of his limited experience, so the right has simply stated that now experience is irrelevant. super.
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Jim E
climber
Mountain Road
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Sep 15, 2008 - 01:10pm PT
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Dirt, I'm pretty sure this is not the first time LEB has written you off. So don't be too concerned.
What's funny about the name calling stuff is that LEB is the only one on here that has ever called me names.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 01:14pm PT
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The dems keep citing Senator Obama's "eight years as an Illinois State senator" as his experience base.That and half a term as a senator at the federal level.There are 67 senators and 118 legislators in the Illinois legislature.Not much of a distinction.That and two years in the senate and you are ready to run the country?
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Dolomite
climber
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:35pm PT
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I'm passing this along. However, the alarming thing to me is that nothing anyone says about their case or someone else's position seems to change anyone's opinion (either here on ST or in the nation at large). No one listens to anyone except those they already agree with. Same as it ever was? Or a new tunnel-vision (both sides)?
"I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
·If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic,
different."
·Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
·If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
·Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
·Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
·Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
·If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black
President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that
registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with
over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a
state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the
Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs
committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
·If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council
and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as
the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to
become the country's second highest ranking executive.
·If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2
beautiful daughters, all within protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.
·If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
·If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
·If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other
option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen
daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.
·If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community,
then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent
America's.
·If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI
conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age
25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession
of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now."
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:41pm PT
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Dolomite, I agree on many points.
However, last I checked, she's not running for president.
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GDavis
Trad climber
SoCal
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:43pm PT
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Almost reminds me of when I was a kid and we would compare Batman with Superman. Not even the same ballpark! Sure, there's kryptonite, but all Batman's got is that damn belt (and the cave of sodomy). How about Heart from Captain planet and Aquaman? There's something I can sink my teeth into.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:48pm PT
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good post dolomite, but you forgot that the "first dude" is also a 4 time national snow machine racer. as McCain said "if he can race 2,000 miles in 40 below weather than he can handle anything Washington throws at him".
take care
dave
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 15, 2008 - 04:58pm PT
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Palin having 5 kids isn't a reason to not vote for her. It is a reason to ask her "are you sure you are up to this?" She has answered that yes, in spite of having a pregnant teen and special needs infant that she is. I can personally tell you that having ONE infant who ISN'T special needs I couldn't imagine being VP, but whatever, she says she's up to it so she deserves the benefit of the doubt.
The reasons not to vote for her are the myriad of OTHER stuff on which she has been obviously naive, uninformed or outright dishonest.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 05:15pm PT
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 15, 2008 - 05:21pm PT
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Thanks Dolomite. A good distinction indeed.
And GDavis, while she isn't running for president, if you look at the actuarial tables for someone like McCain, she might as well be.
Another point on the kid issue, an op-ed piece in the NY Times made an interesting comparison between Palin's family and Obama's. Imagine the reaction if Obama had a 17 old daughter who got knocked up by some fouled mouthed teenager and all of them got up on stage at the convention. You probably would have gotten a very different reaction about the whole teen pregnancy issue, the sex life of young African-Americans, etc.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 15, 2008 - 05:23pm PT
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SHE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. How hard is this to understand? The Vice-Prez is one stroke, one bullet, one car bomb, one pulmonary embolism away from being President. Plain becoming Pres is not some fantasy hypothetical.
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 05:46pm PT
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Holy sh#t....that's scary.....Al Gore was vice president....
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 15, 2008 - 07:08pm PT
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yeah, imagine if he were president when the republican congress (led by john mccains primary financial advisor phil gramm) wanted to deregulate banks and let them package and resell mortgages as securities...
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Jim E
climber
Mountain Road
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Sep 15, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
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Yeah, LEB, you called me a son of a bitch and some other such crap, 'bastard' maybe. I doubt you will remember, selective memory seems to be one of your trademarks.
Another funny thing about that is Dirt emailed me and more or less defended you. He suggested you were not that bad and you mean no harm, or maybe he said 'harmless', I don't remember.
And for sure this is not the first time I've seen you write someone off. Eventually you return to the table with them.
So has anyone ever seen Ms Palin gut a moose? Bet she doesn't even know who was the first to summit Denali.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 15, 2008 - 07:34pm PT
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"Holy sh#t....that's scary.....Al Gore was vice president...."
He was also elected President.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 15, 2008 - 07:39pm PT
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"Holy sh#t....that's scary....Al Gore was vice president..."
So was Dan Quayle
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 15, 2008 - 09:03pm PT
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Except when it comes to blindly voting for the same crooks who have screwed you blind. Right Lois?
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 15, 2008 - 11:16pm PT
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Dirtbag...F*#king hilarious...the same party that hounded Bill Clinton for 7 years with Ken Starr.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 15, 2008 - 11:20pm PT
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Yeah, I guess we're getting a glimpse into what an " open and transparent" Palin administration would be like.
BTW, a vote for Palin is a vote for a bald-faced liar. She did support the Bridge to nowhere and she never went to Iraq like she said she did. But whatever!
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Sep 15, 2008 - 11:25pm PT
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speaking of bill clinton-
(and since the R's are errantly saying we are all sexist for not wanting the well qualified hillary clinton, and for being so dismissive of the completely unqualified sarah palin...)
the REAL UNANSWERED QUESTION in this election is...
just which powerful tv preacher did sarah palin blow to get on the mccain ticket?
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 15, 2008 - 11:31pm PT
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Matt, you sir, should KNOW why Palin was picked FOR McCain.
Hint: Not to fill out a GOP ticket, or get votes that Johnny-boy could not.
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Jim E
climber
Mountain Road
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Sep 15, 2008 - 11:40pm PT
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LEB, I'm not going to dig up anything for you. If you really are curious or concerned you can comb through your many thousands of posts and find it yourself.
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