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Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 25, 2005 - 09:20am PT

Any body has beta for me on Hang Dog Flyer and on 10.96?

Trad climber
Reno NV
Mar 25, 2005 - 09:50am PT
10.96 == left side in. Tight fists in back. Crux is exiting the crack and attaining a lieback position.

I think on both climbs, not getting disoriented can be a bit of a problem.

Social climber
The West
Mar 25, 2005 - 10:42am PT
I did 10.96 right side in. Tunneled up, placing a high peice inside. Then grab the lip in a postion similar to the photo of Phil gleason, then swing around into a lieback.

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Mar 25, 2005 - 12:33pm PT
I only did 1096 once, on the first ascent, left side in thrash, then reach over your head for the lip and swing into a short lyback to the ledge.

Hang Dng Flyer is a double overhanging lyback that is very dificult to protect, but back then we had to wiggle in hexes, and used a spotter on the ground to say where because it's hard to look into the crack with your feet jacked up so high. There's a bouldery move at the top--go dynamic. Strenuous, but not too long. Mid 5.12.


Oaklanc CA
Mar 25, 2005 - 12:39pm PT
1096 - Right side in, place gear as high as possible before esqueezing out to the layback

Hang Dog Flyer - Strenuous but not as hard as it looks. Placing gear down low is the crux, but there's a heal hook on a small ledge for your left foot that you can milk, which really helps. (Rumor has it you can stem the lower part instead of layback it to bring it down to 12a, but I can't verify this) Gain small ledge near the top to de-pump and wangle in some wires. Thin boulder problem and throw for the horn. All time!


Mar 25, 2005 - 01:11pm PT
Hang dog flyer is a short one pitch climb. All I can tell you about hang dog flyer is it’s hard. It makes you hurt. There’s a thin boulder move right at the end that will bite you if you’re tired. It got me, I fell there. I failed on that climb.

For those of you who want some interesting history about hang dog flyer here goes.

I went there with Kauk to watch him do the second ascent. When out of the woods came Ray Jardine who as you know, did the first ascent. He tells Ron he’ll never do it without friends. Now at this time in history there are none. Ray is the only person that has them since he’s the inventor and they haven’t been manufactured yet. As I recall we’ve never even seen them yet.

We go over and check these things out that would later revolutionize the state of protection in climbing. Ray tells Ron that he can use the ones he brought. Ron politely declines with the understanding that since no one else has them that he’ll continue to use what’s available to everyone else, “Hexes”. Ray’s now kind of disappointed and tells Ron you’ll never do it with hexes. Just the words Ron wanted to hear at that moment. Ron is now determined to prove Ray wrong.

Ron goes on to lead the second ascent of hang dog flyer with hexes.
Brutus of Wyde

Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
Mar 25, 2005 - 02:57pm PT
Beautiful story, Werner. Have you ever considered being a Largo? -- Nevermind. It's cool just sitting here around the campfire here listening to your tales.

Hangdog -- Couldn't say. Looked steep. Way above my head.

10.96 though -- The squeeze isn't too bad. 5.9 or so, left or right, it's all good. Exit for me was extremely painful hands/fists. If I ever look at it again I'll wimp out and use spider mitts, thus aiding it.

Have fun. A good climb.


Gym climber
City by the Bay
Mar 27, 2005 - 08:42pm PT
Hangdog flyer will make you either feel like a hangdog (me) or like a flyer cool crux boulder problem near the end the route has a few real good rests though

Trad climber
the range of light
Dec 6, 2009 - 09:04pm PT
bump for cool stories and beta

Just did 1096 today...got seriously spanked, but the climb seemed like fun! Is there any consensous on beta for how to climb this thing?

I cant wait to go back....

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2009 - 09:08pm PT
I say right side in, everyone else seems to thik left side in.

You gotta find

Side in!
David Wilson

Dec 6, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
werner - great story. i can just imagine ron declining, summoning the spirit of the rock, and not the gadgets, for the send. great. we need more of these stories.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
Perhaps PhilG will chip in?

Jean-Pierre, did you ever do either route?

Trad climber
Dec 6, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
So was the climb named after your attempt then Werner? ;)
Double D

Dec 6, 2009 - 10:21pm PT
Anything in Robbins boots would be horendous...as seen on Phil Gleason's face.

Werner...classic story. I was just thinking today about how many generations of Yosemite climber's that you've hung with and the feats done during your lifetime. It would make a great "campfire" book.


Trad climber
Mental Physics........
Dec 6, 2009 - 10:35pm PT
on 1096, go the opposite way that Phil is attempting it....


Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 7, 2009 - 12:08am PT
I'd like to see a Hex that would fit 1096?

Trad climber
fort garland, colo
Dec 7, 2009 - 09:32am PT
Werner- I heard almost the exact same story BITD about the Cringe with Bachar and Friends. ? ! True ?

Trad climber
the range of light
Dec 7, 2009 - 11:31am PT
Gobee- there is a fat fixed hex 1/3 of the way up it right now. go up there and check it out!

anyone have that gleason photo?
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Dec 7, 2009 - 11:36am PT
Dang! I've done the Cringe twice with hexes. Doing it with cams would be fun!

Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
Dec 7, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
Roy leading 1096

Trad climber
...and now, Manhattan
Dec 7, 2009 - 12:36pm PT
essentially, the crack gets smaller, whereas the leader does not.

Dec 7, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
Nice piece of history Werner.

Roy - let's hear it.

Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
Dec 7, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 8, 2009 - 12:39am PT
The photo of Phil G en route on 1096, taken by Galen Rowell, is at http://supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=161148&msg=161355#msg161355

Bump for Phil, who seems to be in the crowd tonight.
Stephen McCabe

Trad climber
near Santa Cruz, CA
May 5, 2010 - 05:10am PT
Earlier in the thread somebody asked about hexes in 10.96.

Here’s my story about trying to use hexes in 10.96. I was a two to three weeks in the spring, a week in the fall, and some climbing on week-ends in summer type of a climber. I had spent a few or several days trying to work out the kinks after a winter of inactivity. Bob Locke put together a rack with no pitons and had us head out to 10.96. He wasn’t talking too much like he’d lead it. We got out there and took a look at the steeply overhanging, flared climb. He suggested top-roping it, but asked me if I’d like to lead it. I knew it had a least some reputation and it looked intimidating, particularly if you couldn’t get a good fist jam in the back. He scrambled up and set up the top rope.

Later in the day, Bob would confess, “I hope you don’t mind, but you are only climbing for a short time and I want to climb all summer. I hope you don’t mind me using you to lead things and get me in shape for climbing with the Big Boys this summer.” He went on to belay Dale Bard and Vern Clevenger and others on routes during two excellent summers that I was jealous of. He was on many first ascents, including Oz, Blues Riff, Step it up and Go (which I think he might have led), “Dreams (Screams)” and a number of other classics. He even won the Golden Belay Seat (Golden Butt Bag) Award, for meritorious service belaying on first ascents that summer or the next. It may have only been awarded once. I don’t know if the award was retired after Bob-o’s fatal fall on Mt Watkins.

On that day in 1975 (or 76), I climbed up into 10.96 and found a solid fist jam for one side and good knee bar on the outside. After a long ways of very similar moves the flare pinches off. Going from right side in in the overhanging flare to the lieback above the flare is a bizarre move that felt cool doing it and then several feet of liebacking up to the belay ledge.

After Bob-o did well taking a lap on it we were back on the ground and he said, “Why don’t you lead it.” I suggested back to him that he lead it. After resting a bit and looking at the rack he’d brought, I said, “Well, I’ll give it a shot.”

This was before Friends or other active camming units were sold. The crack where it was wider than a # 11 hex was downward flaring. Bob-o knew, but didn’t tell me: it had only been led all nuts once and that was a week earlier by Chris Falkenstein. (I never fact-checked this, but I think it is what Bob told me later that day.) When I was active climbing, I always remembered that Falkenstein was far stronger than I was, way out of my league. If Bob had told me that so far only Chris had led it on nuts and everybody else had used at least one bong for protection, I surely would have paused and maybe not have even started the lead.

As it went, I headed back into the crack, this time on the lead. It was a warm day, but at least inside the squeeze was in the shade, and I was pretty psyched. I climbed up into the bottom of the flare and placed a good #11 hexcentric. As I climbed back up the flare, one hand was fist jamming and the other was in a squeeze chimney arm-bar. Even though I’d already done it, the amount of overhang and the slope of the talus below are a bit disorienting, so it didn’t feel quite as steep as it really was. (The straight on photo of Phil Gleason in http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/161148/StoneMaster_Stories_Part_5_the_epic_continues
or the one of Roy makes it look like it’s not that steep either, though the photographers must have been standing somewhat under them to get those photos if I recall correctly.) I kept trying to get in another nut on the overhanging climb as I was climbing, but didn’t worry too much, because I mostly wanted to protect the move coming out into the lieback. I got right to the point where it appears Gleason had a bong above his head and I tried everything I had but I couldn’t get a nut to hold its own weight very well. I only had one each of the even-in-those-days “old style” more symmetrical # 10 and #11 hexes. I was facing a ground fall from pretty high up. Smaller hexes endwise didn’t fit either. I don’t know if I had a 4” tube, but it wouldn’t have helped. It didn’t seem smart at all to do the crux unprotected, so I downclimbed to the base of the main action, took out my one good hexcentric, replaced it with the more regular old style and headed back up for essentially my third lap of the off-width without a rest and fourth lap of the day. Along the way I briefly took a few more stabs at getting a hex in but I was sure the other hex would fit right at the crux. I got there and tried it one way, then the other, one way then the other. It just wasn’t good.

There are times when I use poor protection as “psychological protection” on a climb and times where it doesn’t help. I had made a decision sometime in my climbing career, after knocking out some horrible protection as I passed it, that I had to have at least some minimal hope that the protection would hold or it just made it worse to have something in that I knew would fall out as I passed it. I preferred to just know I was going for it if the pro was actually useless.

This climb had a reputation for being tiring and I was getting tired, fussing with the hexes. I decided to just keep climbing. I knew it was scary, but I thought it was feasible. I was tired, but the upper part had been ok on a top-rope. I reached up, using all the flexibility that a non-musclebound guy had, moved comfortably out into the lieback and immediately said, “Oh s@#!” Fist jams and knee bars were one thing, but I had no strength left for liebacking. Bob-o saw my arms go straight with no strength to bend at the elbows and started looking in vain for a plan to somehow have the rope stop me before I hit the talus. I had only the briefest of pauses before moving as fast as I could, essentially straight-armed, up what had been a manageable lieback fresh but that was now at or beyond my absolute limit. Sweating and stressed, the idea of a ground fall was moving a closer to the forefront. A few moves with just the precise correct body tension allowed me to move up a couple of inches at a time and to pull onto the ledge with no strength to spare and probably some choice vocabulary.

So to finally get back to whether or not it’s a climb to do with hexes: Maybe there are hex placements near the crux, but I could make a list of a lot of climbs that are far easier to protect with hexes.

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
May 5, 2010 - 06:19am PT
Holy Sh*t Stephen!!

I got snail eye just reading that!!

Damn, I've had some similar experiences, but I'm glad I wasn't you that day.
Survival is a strong motivator eh????

Trad climber
East Coast US
May 5, 2010 - 08:55am PT
Bob-o saw my arms go straight with no strength to bend at the elbows and started looking in vain for a plan to somehow have the rope stop me before I hit the talus. I had only the briefest of pauses before moving as fast as I could, essentially straight-armed, up what had been a manageable lieback fresh but that was now at or beyond my absolute limit. Sweating and stressed, the idea of a ground fall was moving a closer to the forefront.

Thanks for the visceral Ex-Lax, now I can go poop.


May 5, 2010 - 09:50am PT
Jonny Woodward onsighted Hangdog Flyer on his first visit in 80-81.
Apparently he went balls out to what looked like a good jam and it wasn't. Tom Gilje told me he couldn't watch, had to look away till "The Beau Gester" finally clipped a piece while looking at a ground fall from WAY up there.

Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
Apr 13, 2011 - 08:55pm PT

Yosemite Valley National Park
Apr 13, 2011 - 11:43pm PT
Is it true it's called 10.96 because that was a radio code BITD for :

Maniac on the loose??

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 14, 2011 - 05:40pm PT
Hangdog is really good but very hard. Someone earlier said it is possible to stem, I couldn't see that. It basically has 2 cruxes which are the antitheses of each other - the first is just a pure layback, probably the hardest I have done in Yosemite. The crux there is getting a piece in while you are laying back upside down with 1 arm. It eases up slightly and then you get to the shelf, with a perfect rest before the technical crux, which I remember being something like the crux of "Starving in Stereo" at Woodson, maybe a little easier - very thin to a good hold/slot.

Haven't done 10.96 but you can TR it after Hangdog if you don't have big gear.

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Nov 15, 2013 - 12:55pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Here's the Gleason shot everyone's talking about:


Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Nov 15, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
Thx Willoghby for the bump!

McCabe! Damn! great write up

Nov 15, 2013 - 11:10pm PT

ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
Nov 15, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
^^ woot!

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 15, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Love the Suzuki photo

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2013 - 12:51am PT
I'm gonna lay back on my 3 pillows and try to decide between ly- or lie- laybacking while eating a half a box of Mike and Ikes, right hand in.

Nov 16, 2013 - 01:53am PT
Sick shots Bryan!

Hangdog flyer looks like a blast!!!!

Trad climber
Nov 16, 2013 - 05:18am PT
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