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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:31pm PT
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Thanks for that Chris - it would be a better site because of it.
Erik Wolfe
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (out in the sagebrush)
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:34pm PT
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I heartily agree...less slander is always a good idea.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:34pm PT
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I'm all for slander, as long as we know who's slinging it...
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (out in the sagebrush)
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:36pm PT
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I'd actually go with that, too. No masks, then....
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:37pm PT
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thanks Chris, great suggestion....and sometimes I agree with hardman, slander can be humorous at times, but I guess the good general rule is NOT to slander or wrongly accuse others. Good rule in life. Russ can be hellarious at times..uh as long as I'm not the "victim".
Peace
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:38pm PT
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Yeah, what THE MAN said. One name/user would also reduce the volume of off-topic and ad hominem posts.
I am knott Spartacus.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:56pm PT
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Mighty Hiker:
I am knott Spartacus.
I'm knott either but like Mighty Hiker I've got a pseudonym that seems to fool no one.
Regarding Chris' point in the OP, I could not agree more. Sock puppets are a bane of forums.
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Aug 10, 2008 - 04:57pm PT
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Hey Chris,
Is it OK if I still slander my brothers ??
Cracko
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
almost all the way home
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:00pm PT
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hey chris,
speaking of usernames, could you please change mine to t*r? that way i can keep my own posting history. i DON'T want to set up a new account but standing strong is the dumbest username ever plus it's like three years old. i've been trying to trade the beer i won from hardman knott in exchange for hardman knott's changing my username, but no dice. if you change it, he can just give the six pack of green labels to YOU!
cheers
t*r
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:05pm PT
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Just to nitpick for a moment. The legal definition of libel is defamation that's printed - in writing. Slander is oral - spoken. You can defame someone on the internet. You can libel someone. But you probably can't slander someone, at least not on SuperTopo.
According to Black's Law Dictionary, and the Oxford English Dictionary.
The damages for libel are generally greater than for slander, as it tends to be more permanent, and have a wider audience. British and Canadian law with regard to libel and slander are more conservative than that of the U.S.A. You can say things in the U.S.A., especially about politicans and other public figures, that you'd never get away with here.
Ad hominem attacks are another matter. Where you have nothing intelligent or relevant to say about the issue being debated, but don't like the other person, so just say something obnoxious or rude about her/him. Too much of that around here.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:21pm PT
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thanks for leading by example chris,
your tr threads are always great , exciting and inspiring.
you dont waste anytime schooling the childish. your straight to the point.
i love your site and proud to be here.
thanks for making that possible.
best regards gregg (candyman)
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:27pm PT
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Chris~ my user name has not changed ever.
i've chatted here since 02'.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:33pm PT
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let's delete that munge guy, can't keep his trap shut.
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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I totally agree! Unfortunately it seems that Chris has to make this same reminder a few times each year. It is fine to disagree with someone, even strongly, but there is no need to act like a bunch of five year olds.
Cheers,
Doug
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Trippel40
Social climber
CO
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Aug 10, 2008 - 05:59pm PT
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Chris,
I appreciate the fact that when the routine reminder becomes necessary, you always post it with restraint and maturity. Even though you have to do it again and again.
No getting around human nature so its appreciated when someone makes the best of it.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 10, 2008 - 06:07pm PT
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hey there chris... say, as always, it is surely nice to see you post here... your're like a good land-tilling gardner, tending to the field---doing your best to have a great crop...
since i first stepped in (due to finding my brothers name here) i have hoped to be one of the many path's through your "field-property" that would grow well, along side what you've started....
god bless, to you, chris... from what i've learned, it is a hard job to tend the fields at times...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 10, 2008 - 06:30pm PT
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Hey Standing Strong - ever heard of private e-mail?
As I suggested before, e-mail Chris and ask him. Better yet, pick a name and stick it.
BTW, thanks again for providing the image above. You do have the 6-pack of green labels
coming, and Russ has a beer I owe him from several months ago, and two for Nature from
several years ago. Incidentally, Nature is still holding $75.00 for last year's Sushi Fest,
as I told him to put towards a possible future event. So please try to relax in the meantime...
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Aug 10, 2008 - 07:04pm PT
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Here's another idea: take the leap and post as yourself. The majority of users here choose to remain anonymous, and some may have a legit reason. But this sort of anonymity tends to create the Jekyll-and-Hyde syndrome Chris is trying to address. If you chose a clever user name like 'fattrad' or 'standing strong', just sign your posts occasionally to personalize your prose and step out from behind the curtain. It's not that hard, really.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (in the sagebrush)
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Aug 10, 2008 - 08:51pm PT
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Kirk...(Hi!)
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yo
climber
I drink your milkshake!
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Aug 10, 2008 - 09:03pm PT
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Dean Potter
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Aug 10, 2008 - 09:10pm PT
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Still the same ole' me. But new revelation....when I sign lrl it doesn't mean loves red lollipops...even tho I do!!!!!!!!
r=ruth....a many generational family name.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
almost all the way home
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Aug 10, 2008 - 09:45pm PT
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why would i send chris mac an email when he's reading this anyways?
i'm not pushing for you to give me the green labels asap. i never said that! i was just hoping i could use the beer to barter with... i don't like most beer too much
anyways 3 years is plenty long enough to stick with a username
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Aug 10, 2008 - 09:54pm PT
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SS - Chris isn't necessarily reading the thread. He made a post, and if it's like in the past, that's about all the involvement he takes. He's not like us poor internet-addled addicts.
But what is the big deal about this owning your history? Everyone knows your old user name is you. If we can figure it out, you should be able to!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
almost all the way home
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Aug 10, 2008 - 09:57pm PT
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i don't know i just want my posts with me who currs
and i really don't wanna have to do another email address and stuff
dumb
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Anastasia
climber
Not there
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Aug 10, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
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Dang it, I was just about to spread some love as a fifty something San Francisco man named Gaylor!
------- Kidding aside, using another name is not the problem. Now hiding behind it while putting others down... I hate that.
AF
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Aug 10, 2008 - 10:08pm PT
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Would it be feasible to ban the IP addresses of the thirty most used proxy servers on the internet?
A number of members have alternate user names or have registered under names nearly identical to other members, (to jest with their friends). But the high power defamation and threatening posts are being written by a small cadre of individuals, perhaps only two or three. For instance, several sock puppets who suddenly appeared just to threaten Jody, the individual who defamed Todd Skinner two days after his death and the bdaddy identity which exists for no other reason than to vex Dirtineye all had the same tone and syntax to their writing and are probably the same individual.
I've entered text from numerous spurious posters into an authorship detection computer program and the results point to a couple of individuals. A writer can alter his vocabulary easily, but disguising tone and syntax is difficult. It's a recognizable footprint of how one thinks.
I have no idea how many proxy servers exist. I've been told these spurious identities are probably posting through proxies to avoid matching IP addresses.
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Ouch!
climber
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Aug 10, 2008 - 10:48pm PT
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My name is Sam and currently residing in Munich.
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chez
Social climber
chicago ill
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Aug 10, 2008 - 10:58pm PT
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I totally agree with Chris.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
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climbrunride
Trad climber
Durango, CO
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Aug 10, 2008 - 11:12pm PT
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Who is this Standing Strong dude? And why does he want to hide behind the pseudonym t*r?
Sounds fishy to me.
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Aug 10, 2008 - 11:20pm PT
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Shouldn't it be "build respect for your user name (OT)"???
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Aug 10, 2008 - 11:39pm PT
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I agree CMac.
I don't like libel or slander.
But it all evens out. The ones that are respected on the forum don't do that sh#t, and people generally know who they are.
And don't take the others' posts very seriously.
Tahoe Climber
(Aaron Kutzer)
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Aug 10, 2008 - 11:48pm PT
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Nice ones Quartzflite, Yo, HK, and goddammit Anders! Thanks for the legal info, but could you keep the "ad hominem " to a minimum?
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Aug 11, 2008 - 01:37am PT
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Absolute freedom, which exists anyway as evident by the incessant violation of laws, when said freedom is openly supported rather than denigrated, teaches individual responsibility sooner.
Further, it teaches people to sooner recognize the REASONING, or its absence, in the words and actions of others and thus oneself.
In the future, even children will marvel at the primitive humans of our times, who did not adequately understand the value of freedom, and who invented all manner of amusing contrivances to restrict freedom, and thus induce incentive to easily subvert the restrictions created by ignorant people, in both regards a waste of time better spent learning advanced knowledge.
Might you wish to write or say the following, to demonstrate your wisdom: You can slander or libel me at your whim, perhaps suggest my unmitigated stupidity, and in your words I will look for the reasoning for your conclusion. If your reasoning is verifiably accurate, then I will have learned the knowledge to no longer be stupid, and have therefore gained great value from your freedom, and thus be wise. If the reasoning is not accurate, or not offered, then your conclusion will fool only fools who are of no value to society anyway.
So to the greater than normal tolerance demonstrated by climbers, add more, to learn more sooner.
And for the unmitigated stupidity of National Park Service rangers who could not identify an inferior law contradicted by a superior law if you handed them a dictionary, the Park regulations and the US Constitution, climbers appreciate their comedy.
Or some sort of whirlygig like that.
DougBuchanan.com
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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Aug 11, 2008 - 02:52am PT
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Translation: They'll learn given freedom, tools suck
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 11, 2008 - 02:55am PT
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I always thought slander was an integral part of climbing culture...
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder (in the sagebrush)
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Aug 11, 2008 - 07:28am PT
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More the slingin' than the slander....
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DMBARN
climber
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Aug 11, 2008 - 08:55am PT
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I have always found a strong collelation (with acceptions of course) to the use of real names (or user names easily identified with actual humans) and the more thoughtful and significant posts. The annonimous posts usually can be found to be the ones with the most vitriol and slander.
Those with courage and honor are never ashamed of their own name.
Regards,
Douglas
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 11, 2008 - 09:21am PT
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Thanks Chris, for all that you do.
Keep us straight & honest.
Lookin' forward to meeting you at facelift.
PS, just got the Yos Free Climbs. . . AWESOME!!!!!!
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Aug 11, 2008 - 11:36am PT
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Juan De Fuca - Crazy.
Lost Arrow - Sane?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Aug 11, 2008 - 03:31pm PT
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Fake ID's are lame, and it is even lamer to libel someone from a fake or anonymous username. Your credibility is only as sound as your identity - have the courage to be real, and stand behind your convictions.
Perhaps if you have nothing good to say, you shouldn't say it at all? Or why not meet on the El Cap bridge and share opinions over a beer or two. Maybe detractors can find a way to seek a comprimise, or perhaps just agree to disagree. But it's better than saying unkind things on internet forums.
Thanks, Chris.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 11, 2008 - 03:40pm PT
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Standing Strong wrote:
why would i send chris mac an email when he's reading this anyways?
Uh, because other folks may knott want to read completely off-topic, personal stuff?
(sorry, that was like, totally impossible to resist)
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 11, 2008 - 03:58pm PT
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hahaha! Bored much lately, Chris?
This thread is ghey!
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
almost all the way home
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Aug 11, 2008 - 04:03pm PT
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don't like it? don't read it tough guy
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 11, 2008 - 04:07pm PT
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My bad.
Carry on...
(the stage is yours)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
almost all the way home
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Aug 11, 2008 - 04:14pm PT
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omg chris!!! the ignore button is finally working
thnx!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 11, 2008 - 04:31pm PT
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Like, OMG!!!!!!!!1111
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atchafalaya
climber
Babylon
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Aug 11, 2008 - 04:57pm PT
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Brownshirts!!!
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 11, 2008 - 05:01pm PT
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Pwn3d!!!!111
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Aug 11, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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News item on topic:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/local_idiot_to_post_comment_on
Quote from the above:
"We are blessed to be living in an age when we have a global communications network in which idiots, as#@&%es, and total and complete wastes of f*#king human life alike can come together to give instant feedback in an unfettered and unmonitored online environment," Mylenek said. "What better way to take advantage of this incredible technology than to log onto the Internet and insult a complete stranger?"
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Aug 12, 2008 - 06:01am PT
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A wise person cannot possibly be insulted or offended.
Sometimes the reasoning for the perceived insult, while perhaps not accurately conveyed before adequate questioning, is accurate, revealing the knowledge or process to resolve the insult-creating contradiction so that no subsequent insult would exist.
Describing those idiots online, therefore possibly among more people than the same old group at a local social gathering, can garner more diverse responses, to create more accurate knowledge.
Or some sort of round-about like that.
DougBuchanan.com
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Aug 12, 2008 - 11:09am PT
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I try to stick to the Four Agreements as I can.
Be impeccable with your word.
Don't take anything personally.
Don't make assumptions.
Do your best.
Don Miguel Ruiz
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Aug 12, 2008 - 11:17am PT
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I like the self moderating aspect of this place, if someone gets out of whack, we leap on them like a frog in a dynamite pond.
Hey, howabout Avatars and Emoticons?
Sometimes I am sarcastic, but nobody knows, so I need a sarcastic emoticon.
Make everybody post a real pic of themselves on their Avatar, that would cut down on the BS big time.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Aug 12, 2008 - 12:18pm PT
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"Hey, howabout Avatars and Emoticons? "
There is a place, called rockclimbing.com, for such things...
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 25, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
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You can do better, zb. Dig it, just quote Doug Buchanan...Voila!
Absolute freedom, which exists anyway as evident by the incessant violation of laws, when said freedom is openly supported rather than denigrated, teaches individual responsibility sooner.
Further, it teaches people to sooner recognize the REASONING, or its absence, in the words and actions of others and thus oneself.
A wise person cannot possibly be insulted or offended.
Sometimes the reasoning for the perceived insult, while perhaps not accurately conveyed before adequate questioning, is accurate, revealing the knowledge or process to resolve the insult-creating contradiction so that no subsequent insult would exist.
Describing those idiots online, therefore possibly among more people than the same old group at a local social gathering, can garner more diverse responses, to create more accurate knowledge.
Or some sort of round-about like that .
Dig it, Holmes...
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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Zbrown doesn't like the word I guess..
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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There's a method to that, Kath. It just lacks style.
No offense offered to anyone. Just an opinion.
edit: thanks, Doug for the demonstration. Protect your styles though, man!!!6!!...I suspect you will.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken,
`Doubtless,' said I, `what it utters is its only stock and store,
Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore -
Till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore
Of "Never-nevermore."'
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 25, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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I'm gonna have to disagree here. What's weird is that someone would even bring up whether there were words attached to the bump. You either like, or dislike, or don't care about the thread. These seem to be the only logical, non-weird responses.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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This reminds me. I need a new anonymous account so I can make sarcastic and unrelated comments.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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zBrown, Edgar Allan Poe...right...the raven, nevermore.
Just an aside. I wish I had my user name back. Just simple (and I am) Lynne Leichtfuss. But now I am LL LL cause I got lost in the maze.
Oh well, life goes on and we cope. Cheers, lynnie
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
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We're all in The Maze together. It's a mess, but sometimes, somehow folks learn stuff and even grow.
Cheers!
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Comicscragsman
Social climber
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Jan 25, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
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Nobody RESPECTS, Cosmiccragsman!
I wouldn't say that, Cosmic.
wasn't it Abraham Lincoln, er maybe bvb the Great American Legend who said, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 26, 2013 - 12:32am PT
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Jan 26, 2013 - 12:35am PT
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Michelle...let's trade passwords for sarcastic comments. Everyone (nearly) here thinks two women whose usernames start w/ M are the same person anyway. :-p
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Jan 26, 2013 - 12:40am PT
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Seriously!
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