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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 8, 2008 - 11:29pm PT
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Through much persuasion from others, I suggested the Facelift as a potential for one of their programs. They are threatening to close down the series because of a lack of projects.I am not sure it fits with their mission though it is close. What do you think?
Ken
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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No, not really a dirty job considering the locale, but you could put him on some of the harder garbage extractions...cleaning up the Nose or some other El Cap route with a guide leading him up it.
That may work. Which route has the most crap on it? You could even have people intentionally leave crap-bags up there for him...to make it 'dramatic'.
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Slakkey
Trad climber
From a Quiet Place by the Lake
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The Program is a bit overkill. but, it could very well bring attention to a good cause. From what I have seen. it could well be a mock situation that is set up for the proogram but, like I said it coud be a positive way to get the word out.
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Chicken - No way. I've seen some pretty crazy stuff on that show when I was able to catch it.
The Facelift is just a big clean up get together... With beer!
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jstan
climber
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Ken:
I must be missing a post at the top. Who is "they" and what are we talking about? The NPS is threatening to close down Facelift? Eh?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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jstan, THANKS for asking, I don't have a clue either.What is this post about? But then we blonde's need a little help now and then. jstan, are you blond?
smiles from Lynne (but serious about what)?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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I like the show, but don't like the idea of portraying climbing and climbers as leaving their crap all over the place. Media amplifies, and draws inappropriate attention to something we already work hard at mitigating.
However, maybe, if the asphalt is still there from the NPS efforts that were pointed out in one of the old climbing vids, maybe that would be worth something.
Sincerely,
Crotchety Old Man
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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oh yeah, I didn't read the other posts too closely, but the amount of literal sh#t that we picked up, on TP, in baby diapers, and garbage dumped off the side of the road.
I used the rubber gloves that were handed out.. and I'm not usually squeamish about such things, but I'm not into disease, either...
now is it compelling, charismatic TV? probably could be.... considering what shows up on TV these days...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Or, Ed, how they "spin" it.....note jello.
Lynne
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Munge makes a good point, at least in terms of sending the sorry bastard up the Captain, it would only amplify how much crap some climbers leave behind.
Maybe having him haul some heavy, awkward sh#t thrown by tourists would be better? Maybe some diapers, as Ed pointed out too.
Ken, the more I think about it, the worse it sounds. The Facelift gives the park it's due without all the 'drama' of a tv show.
Maybe Yosemite NP could use less attention for a while.
It is an interesting show though.
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jstan
climber
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Oh.
Having never seen one of their shows I have no idea. Surely they have had a show on graffiti removal?
If we have a project for cleaning up a route I would suggest not involving TV. I still like the idea of putting a 500 gallon tank of water at the top and dropping 2000' of hose. Almost 900 PSI. Packing the water to the top would be a grunt. Take about 100 people to fill the tank once. Actually don't even need the tank. Just need the hose and some help from YOSAR.
Lynne:
Soon as I find a hair I will let you know.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Ken, you're the one who could find a nasty job for him, you're more familiar with what needs to be done.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
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Lots of folks pick up trash. That said, I found a special protocol for finding lot's of T.P. out there. Go to a tourist trail and then look for a desperate place. Climb over a bunch of logs and rocks etc... and then voila : T.P. As Ed stated I was surprised how much of the job was indeed dirty. Dirty? Yes. Exciting? I doubt it. Someone could think of some silly drama I'm sure. Good Luck.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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The news media might make hay (good or bad) following around a FaceLift crew that included three Ph.D.s, and eight or nine degrees among five people.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Great Idea Ken, they were on the Palm Springs Tram on a recent episode. Kids love that show and it is a great opportunity to teach by example. Go for it.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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jstan, I'll help you find it and dye it!!!!!!!Seriously, I think ST is having a serious downspin. Everyone is so serious and dialed. When I first connected a few months ago there were so many laughs and funny threads ....am I hallucinating? Correct me if so. Lynners
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2008 - 02:20am PT
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You all have a guilty conscience. It is all about us and others coming together and cleaning up what isn't ours.
Ken
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Ken, try and get them to do it, I'm just sayin' if they don't...no big loss. Ya know?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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I am clear with conscience and agree ... like I said...I believe somewhat that people on the forum have become a little less fun loving and a little more finding the issue that divides us.
Chicken Skinner runs the place, he should have a good feel for what to do. He will do his best to make the correct decisions. We will do ours to support him...RIGHT ON...as they used to say BITD ! Smiles, as always, Lynne
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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True - As Ed's partner last year, I can attest to our picking up a LOT of poopie diapers. That was one knarly dirty job. The show could also show him cleaning up the floor after the party. That smell! I'll never forget it! Blurgh!
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MisterE
Social climber
My Inner Nut
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WHAT?!? It still should be clean from last year! (uniquely male perspective) ;-)
I bet the tp flowers are in bloom, and the butt buds are coming up, however...
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Go for it Ken!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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It certainly can't hurt to try it.
I only saw the show once or twice. One was a guy who grew mushroom....lots of groveling around in stinky poop involved(really, but at least it was animal crap). I would have thought they would want more dramatic, but as people have said they also do least that "extreme gross" dirty jobs, maybe the Facelift fits in.
One spin would be that we volunteer to do the job(as opposed to, say a sanitation department. Garbage man is pretty low on the totem pole when bragging about your gig to that hottie at the bar.....)
Another spin could be putting the focus on the ones who LEAVE the crap around for others to pick up. What sort of animals must THEY be? And then back to how, without the volunteerism, the stuff would just continue to pile up until until Yosemite looked like the Buy and Large lot on the new film "Wall-E."
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Hi Ken,
I recommended the Facelift as a topic on their website a while back. I also linked a few of the TR's and news reels about the facelift. I did not get a response, but I was not persistent.
I do have a friend who is a producer for the Discovery Channel, if you are interested I can get the facelift info in front of him. He would be able to put it in the right direction and avoid the hassle of their web site. Let me know if you want me to do that.
My $.02 is that the facelift would be a great episode for a few reasons.
1. It shows people from far and wide taking responsibility for public lands on a voluntary basis.
2. It is a hard and dirty job, especially if you send him up on a route.
3. The rewards at the end of all that hard work are really fun. IE Speakers, Parties, and Sushi.
Prod.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Mike Rowe cleaning up Camp 6 would be f*#king CLASSIC!
Do it!
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Walk him along the base of the Captain.
Tell 'em that only the euros toss garbage. ;-]
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jstan
climber
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As Farmer Hoggit said, "That will do Pig."
You have your answer Ken.
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Ouch!
climber
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The source of dirty diapers
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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That's hilarious, Ouch!!!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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That is gotta be one of the Top Ahundred Ouch! 'toons!
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BCD
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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I've seen a few recent episodes, and it definitely seems like they are hurting for ideas and places to go. They're covering jobs that are kinda mundane and not that dirty at all.
So if you contact them, I'll bet they'd be excited to show up.
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jstan
climber
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Lynnie! Calling all Lynnie's.
Edit:
You said ST was too serious. Once more Ouch! has come to your rescue. cf. above.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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jstan, This is a Lynnie, will this one do? Sorry, I've been drinking Modelo on Natures food/pizza thread. What up?
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Well folks, we could hit the web site for Dirty Jobs and saturate them with requests for the facelift. I'll bet that would get their attention!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there chicken skinner... ol' ken.. say, i kind of like what mtnmun had said.... i have young grandkids and such ... and when i babysit, this show has taught them there are "things out there" that folks do that are NOT fun... but someone does do it, and not all jobs are "shining gems" to have and hold....
seeing this done from the volunteer side, is good for young folks to learn and understand.... our folks taught us to clean up.. .but no-a-days, folks do not... it therefore seems like an interesting experience for all ....
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2008 - 10:45pm PT
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RLF,
That is a good idea and it might help especially if some of you posted how nasty some of the stuff you cleaned up was. Here is the link to their forum page. It is on page 2 now and has no comments. http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/8251971108/p/2
One of the nastier jobs was sorting the recyclables out of the returned bags. Camp 6 cleanup would be good but would bring publicity to our own failings.
Ken
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder
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Good point....sorting recyclables would be good, too. It could work.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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jstan and ouch....thank you for lightening things up and searching me out to give my and all St'ers day a "LIFT"... youse guys are the greatest....THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!! Lynnie
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 07:09pm PT
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I bumped it to the top of the Discovery Channel Forum by adding a comment. Someone else gave it five stars.
Ken
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 10, 2008 - 07:16pm PT
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hey there ken... say, hope it will come to pass....thanks for the update...
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jul 10, 2008 - 08:10pm PT
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Ok folks, time to put up or shut up. Ken's posted something on the Dirty Jobs site, I did so as well.
Enough about Barrak McAin, Hilary Spears, or John Obama and George Cheney being the next antichrist, let's give Pope ChickenSkinner the support he deserves for putting this whole thing together.
Head over and pound that site with requests for the Facelift.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jul 10, 2008 - 09:25pm PT
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BUMP. Come on folks...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 10, 2008 - 11:33pm PT
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bump, because y'all are fags if you don't post a comment to the Discovery Channel forum.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jul 10, 2008 - 11:51pm PT
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I joined up and posted but JUST as I hit the Send button, I noticed a typo.....I had misspelled the word "shot"(as in photography) and I got an error message saying my post contained a naughty word, and thus has to be reviewed to see if it can be posted..... The funny thing is, that the sentence makes sense with the incorrect word, so I am not sure what the moderator will think!
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 11:57pm PT
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Hi Happiegirl,
It is a bit difficult to get a comment in there but they do keep it near the top. Thanks! It won't allow me to increase the check marks. I guess it is designed to keep the self promoters out which makes sense.
Ken
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JesseM
Social climber
Yosemite
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Jul 11, 2008 - 01:50am PT
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Ken,
I really like the idea Dirty Jobs covering the event as long as we think they are conveying a positive educational message to folks who watch the show.
Although I totally agree with you not wanting to bring additional attention to our own messes, nothing can beat the dirty factor of a 10 year old 2 liter Coke bottle duct taped shut with the old poo inside being pulled out of two feet of other garbage from Camp 6!
Maybe a different show...lets concentrate on other sides of the "Dirty Job" of the Facelift...taking what's ugly, and making it look NICE.
I'll be in touch,
Jesse
YNP
Climbing Ranger
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 02:09am PT
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Jesse,
I think I have spent 12 nights there and most have been with an incredible stench. (Even in the 70's} Definitely a problem area.
Talk to you soon.
Ken
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 11, 2008 - 02:36am PT
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Hey Ken, do you have idea about how to properly clean that location. Maybe rap down from the top with hot water and 'flush it' to the open face where nature will wash it with rain.
I dunno, I've never been there. I know it will reflect bad on climbers, but it could be a perfect job for Mike...a challenge.
Maybe if he does it we could use the video as a guide to what knott to do on a route with your sh#t. If it's on camera it strikes home, despite portraying (some) climbers in an inconsiderate way.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 11, 2008 - 02:39am PT
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Would need water (lots) + pressure + disinfectant + cleaning tools + crew. Plus maybe an environmental impact statement and hazard evaluation.
Plus some way to prevent it happening again. It doesn't sound like natural flushing action does the job.
Though if one of those old bongs is in there...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 11, 2008 - 02:52am PT
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How far is Camp 6 from the top? Fixed lines from the top could stage water drops down, no?
Once the sh#t hits the face it would be natually flushed with late sept rains. Maybe I'm wrong.
Naturally the feces would end up somewhere, but the rains could dispurse the bacteria, eventually cleaning it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 11, 2008 - 03:03am PT
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ahhh, I've lost repect for y'all.
No more posts on the DC website. Same people who bitch about "too many political threads" on the first page don't want to promote a generous event in our playground.
I'm disappointed, f*#k you.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder
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Jul 11, 2008 - 08:12am PT
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Now, now......Camp 6 can be reached from the Top, but the problem w/ it is it has a wide, deep crack at the back(!) that the foolish noseys stick refuse in. Hard to extract.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jul 11, 2008 - 09:34am PT
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I reposted my comment to the Discovery board.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 11, 2008 - 10:11am PT
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Went to the discovery channel site to post. How the f do you post something?? I lost patience with trying to figure it out (it's early, I've not had tea yet). I'll try again later.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Jul 11, 2008 - 10:59am PT
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you have to create an account....but once you fill in the info(just a few items) you do not have to wait for the confirmation email to post. At least I didn't have too....
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Jul 11, 2008 - 01:51pm PT
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Hey Ken,
On your discovery channel post maybe you should modify it to show the date and time.
Prod.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 02:47pm PT
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Prod,
I have the dates on the first post just not the time.
EKat, I will, if he shows up.
Ken
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Jul 11, 2008 - 04:45pm PT
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NOT a good idea to take the media to Camp 6. Even though popular wall bivies that have trash/ schitt in them exist, they represent less than 1/1000th of 1% of the total sq feet of the worlds climbing terrain. No matter how the TV show spins it, the public will take home the message that climbers are litterbugs and schitt on the rock.
How many times havehave you been asked by people "so, um, how do you go to the bathroom up there?"
This TV show will provide that answer- we ALL litter and we ALL schitt on the rock.
And that's how they will take it. The misedeeds of 1 in 1000 climbers will reflect on us all. Kinda takes away from the good message that we're generating with the face lift.
We should still make an effort from within the climing community to clean up after ourselves.
Let me be the first one to volunteer my services for the Camp 6 clean up. I just don't want some bozo actor and camera crew there with me.
I don't mind gross disgusting work. Mind over matter really. I'll be out there at the facelift Fri-Sun.
Who else wants to help?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 05:25pm PT
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I am inclined to agree with you Cragnshag. There is plenty of cleaning to do involving ropework, like the Mist Trail.
Ken
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder
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Jul 11, 2008 - 09:25pm PT
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That's a Magic Place, too. Needs TLC. And you definitely can beat the Heat there....
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jul 11, 2008 - 09:40pm PT
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Bump.
Okay Ken - I FINALLY got my post up at their forum - so there's another vote for a Dirty Job.
BTW - if you use the word "poop" in your post - they delay the message for a day.
Odd - since all Mike Rowe does is shovel the stuff every week.
Go figure.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Jul 12, 2008 - 09:15am PT
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I dissagree with cragnshag. The facelift is about cleaning up stuff that others either left on purpose or accidently. Camp 6 trash included. It could easily be explained that what a few do can ruins the area for others, and or in this case what a few do makes it a better place for others and sets an example.
Whatever is decided my hat is off to you and others who will be attending the facelift this year. I wish I could make it.
Prod.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2008 - 01:12pm PT
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Dirty Job or not, we are going to have fun!
Ken
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2008 - 11:19pm PT
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I checked the Dirty Job website and found a thread from a Yosemite perimeter Campground worker that mentioned the vast amounts of trash she has been cleaning up. I bumped both threads to the top. I guess this problem is everywhere.
Ken
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Yonder
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Jul 24, 2008 - 11:47pm PT
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Well, yeah....This is America. That's the Way. Tossit. You know......
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Jul 24, 2008 - 11:55pm PT
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Chicken - Not a dirty job... Picking up after tourons.. Followed by much fun....
No.. Not the thing for the dirty job crew
IMO
P.S. If anyone can get me up to Camp 6... I'll join Cragsguy in the clean up of that (mess?) Hell, any part of El Cap needs clean up... you take me there, I'll clean it.... Am I getting in over my head? I mean... How messy is it up there? Never been.
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