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Freedom Fighter
Intermediate climber
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 28, 2001 - 05:45pm PT
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What happened to Chris underscores a greater problem than drug testing in athletic competition. Prejudice, ignorance and conformity are hallmarks of those who deny that there is any basis for responsible, recreational marijuana use. Sadly, most of this group also refute any benefit from medical marijuana and industrial hemp cultivation.
Salutations to Sharma and others like him who exercise their right to civilly disobey oppression and help form public opinion that may aid in reforming inappropriate DEA scheduling assigned to marijuana. Whether he intended to or not, Chris has made it clear that marijuana users are as high-achieving, prolific and yes, model-worthy as any segment of the population.
Jimmy Carter eloquently summed up the situation when he stated that when a punishment is more damaging than the crime, it's time to consider reforming the law. It's time to end Reefer Madness.
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Mick Ryan
Intermediate climber
Bishop
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Sep 28, 2001 - 11:45pm PT
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On a related note: Chrises disqualification would never happened if it wasn't for the fact that some mis-guided climbers (Hans up - you know who you are!) and climbing bodies (UIAA) want climbing to become an Olympic Sport - mainly for their greedy financial gain.
I say down with IOC, the UIAA, Marco Scalaris, anyone one (especially a so-called speedy climber) who wants climbing to become an Olymoic sport.
Apart from the obvious mass exposure climbing would get from being in the Olympics, the related increase in the numbers of climbers worldwide and hence an increase access problems - it just goes against the spirit of our pastime.
Keep Climbing Evil.
Keep Climbing Real.
Mick
Hey SuperTaco - thanks for the stuff: it good.
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Mick Ryan
Intermediate climber
Bishop
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Perhaps you are right Chris in your first assumption. We would have to look at the viewing figures for both Cliffhanger and the Olympics. I think Stallone would put more people off however - now a bikini-clad Torrey Alan might be a different proposition (I wonder if anyone has proposed to her yet).
More seriously though. It is hard to tell when and if the big leap in climbings popularity occured. Some say it began in the mid-eighties with the widespread adoption of the user-friendly sport climbing genre. Some say it occured with the frenzied building of rock gyms all across America and the fact that it is now easier to start climbing than it was in the black and white days when you had to go it alone with your mother's clothesline. The X-games, non-climbing media coverage looking for the next big thing - I don't know.
As for figures that may prove there has been an increase? Magazine sales, rock shoe sales. It's all speculation.
Morever if a big increase can be proved, and I think it can, did it cause the increase in access problems that we see these days or is that the result of a stronger and more active tree-hugging lobby who frown if you actually get out of your car (even get into a car) when on a trip to appreciate the countryside and escape the chaos of modern living?
We don't practice our sport in a man-made arena (well most of the time we don't), we practice in the wild with the soil and the bees, the fresh air and the crystal streams, the big blue sky and the bears, with the f*#king falcons and the bird-watchers.
Perhaps I need to go on a Vision Quest to get all this sh#t sorted out in my head.
regards,
Mick
Rockfax USA
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Mick Ryan
Intermediate climber
Bishop
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Further, I might add:
It's not just about money and ego, power, rubber, and sex.
There is a nobler cause.
Don't sell your soul to the false gods. (well - not all of it)
Mick
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David Safanda
Intermediate climber
Mill Valley, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2001 - 05:05pm PT
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I don't think Olympic climbing would drive more people to the crags but what does climbing have to gain by appearing as an Olympic sport? In fact Joe Sixpack's perception might not be completely harmless. Given current access and bolting issues...it certainly won't help that Olympic climbing would add to the notion that climbing is something that should occur on plastic walls rather than in public parks.
Ok...stepping down off my soap box.
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Medric
Advanced climber
Billings, Montana
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2001 - 12:02pm PT
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Climbing ain't never gonna be the "sport" of the masses. Always has been, and always will be a geek pastime. I object to it being called "sport". It isn't. It's a lifestyle. As for that Sharma kid getting DQ'd for weed. I too am glad that he has a set of balls to stand his ground. Ain't nothin' wrong in the world at all with tokin' on a little reefer. It's a PLANT for crying out loud. If the ruling class were getting rich off it, it might be legal. On a side note, It's nice to see some activity on this board. Now if I could just post my Jonny Quest avatar.
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Russ Walling
Advanced climber
Bishop, Ca.
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Let's try this again.....
on second thought... maybe not. What was the topic?
THC? IOC? Jimmy Carter?
If Mick would stop rambling on, I might be able to follow along.
oh well..... maybe next time.
Russ
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Mick Ryan
Intermediate climber
Bishop
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Russ,
Make up your mind. Are you a beginner or an advanced climber, or does it depend on the time of month?
Mick
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BrentA
Novice climber
colrado
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Are we talking about Sharma puffin tuff? Hans whoring out climbing? Russ sobering up? or Chris Mac. being a diplomat?
This dope smoking thing runs a little parrallel to the last winter Olympic 1/2 pipe event. Snow culture and climbing culture draw similiar type folks. I don't really know who the Sharma of snowboarding is...but I think it is a euro fellow named Terje Haakonsan (spelling be damned), he sat on his couch for the olympics, smoked marleys, then probably went and ripped fresh pow pow while everyone else waited for tape-delayed coverage of a canadian named Ross winning...OOPS Ross got striped of his gold medal (later returned on a technicality) for smoking guess what?
If the best in the world just stop showing up wouldn't that be rad? Maybe force change from within??? it could happen when some sofa master wins a world cup because the A team doesn't bother showing. I doubt Sharma competes strictly for sponsors, I bet he laughs a little to know some zenned out kid who just loves to climb can show up and whoop the world. Maybe he won't show up again...time will tell. Climbing is about being who you are and having a good time. While it can be viewed as an athletic pursuit, I rue the day when people start climbing aspiring to be a medalist, instead of wanting to see those killer sunsets.
If I run into the Sharmster at the crag or campfire, I'd load or roll a phatty for him for thumbing his nose at all and living his life. You might strip him of his title, but everyonr still knows who the man is. Its Hans right, or is it Mick, or Russ? (Cheers, for real, on new nose record Hans)
I was gonna go craggin, but then I got high
I was gonna climb the captain too, but then (shit I forgot what I was saying)
Cheers,
Brent
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Russ Walling
Advanced climber
Akron, Ohio
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>>As for that Sharma kid getting DQ'd for weed. I too
>> am glad that he has a set of balls to stand his
>>ground.
What ground exactly did he stand? My take is he was on weed and won a comp and then failed the piss test. Sounds simple enough. Show me the balls. Are you suggesting that he knew that he would be popped for weed and went and won the comp to show the world that weed smokers can can win climbing comps and participate in society? This seems like a long reach but I am willing to listen.
>>Ain't nothin' wrong in the world at all with tokin' on a
>>little reefer. It's a PLANT for crying out loud.
Right, it is a plant. Not to start a biology/chemisty debate on the difference between plants, fungi and the like, but .... these are also *plants* and some will work unaltered :
Peyote (mescaline), Datura, Ergot Fungus (lsd), Coca (cocaine), Psilocybin (mushrooms) Mary-ja-wana, Morning Glory, Hashish, Beetle-Nut, Alcohol, Poppies (heroin, opium), and a host of others that will just plain jack you up, make your pecker shrink, or fail a liver within minutes. The point? Don't claim it is just a plant, as this will only hurt your cause. Try a new line of attack to get weed impregnated guys onto the winners podium.
toodles,
Russ
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Medric
Advanced climber
Billings, Montana
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2001 - 06:20pm PT
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I haven't seen any ink on Sharma and his THC trauma, Russ, so maybe I'm talking out my ass. I just assumed that he got DQ'ed because didn't piss clean. And I also just assumed that he didn't give a sh#t about it, so hence the "having a set of balls" statement. Maybe I'm wrong, and he's at home crying his eyes out and sucking on a gun. But I doubt it. And weed is just a plant. It needs no enhancement other than drying. Oh sh#t ! It's 4:20, I gotta log off.
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Russ Walling
Novice climber
Sedona, AZ.
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Oct 12, 2001 - 01:00am PT
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>>Oh sh#t ! It's 4:20, I gotta log off.<<
Bwhahahahaha! Now that *is* funny! You 4:20 guys are the BOMB!
adios,
Russ
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jud
Novice climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2001 - 02:55pm PT
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oh jeeze.
drug testing in the climbing world? climbing in the olympics? people getting fired up over things not related to the true ethical issues in climbing? man, we have no resolved so many other inportant issues that "touch" the stone to be having to deal with this crap. damn the jackasses who have begun to regulate and confine and "rule" for giving the passionate climbers out there something "else" to be passionate about other than what they really want to drain their energy on. how and why we climb, not what we do at the bivy is the main course. petty issues brought on by frightfully effective "descision makers" only work to curb our appetites. stay away from "junk food".
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ron
Intermediate climber
fallbrook,ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2001 - 09:50pm PT
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Hey Mic,
The Walling IS an ADVANCED climber and it don't matter the time of month with him. Please don't question the FISH
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Cabernet
Intermediate climber
San Diego, Enc
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2001 - 11:38am PT
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Come on now. I can only hope that the Climbing World and its governing bodies will have enough sense to discern that weed is not the problem. Climbing and its people are free and open. Not like the big moneyed, right wing, fat, Ws that are running the country now. Many respect for Chris and his Realization. I'll burn one for you, and thanks for standing up for yourself.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Jan 28, 2005 - 02:15pm PT
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Nature/Doug
Having people being "annoyed" with one is a consequence of being an active person in all aspects of life.
Many (probably ALL) of the very people you look up to and desire to emulate also had many and much louder detractors and those that were "annoyed" by them and their behaviors.
" I think it's obvious you are here to be an ass - typical of what you get on rc.newb but this is supertacos. "
That statement is not true. I am here for my own reasons. It is to have fun, learn some things, interact with people I know and meet new people. If I can expand my onw underdstanding of things or someone else's, I try hard to do that. My way of doing that does not meet your approval. So what? Why would I have to leave even if I said I would?
Would you tell Jordan to not unretire after he won 3 rings and tried baseball? People are alowed to change their minds and themsleves, but I guess not in your rigid world.
I will honor the bet.
I dare you to be so bold with your own decisions and how you honor them. Doing today what you said you would ten years ago? No changes at all? If so, then my condolences.
I also notice people posted and asked me to not leave in those threads, but you are like an agendized media representative: Only one side in your world....
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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Sep 13, 2008 - 01:16pm PT
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Since Russ taught me how to look up posts by their topic id# I of course went to thread 69.
Looks like the original post was deleted. I think this is a good place to keep this little gem that PTPP linked in another thread.
http://www.wikiporno.org/wiki/Famous_Sex_Positions
Cheers,
Prod.
EDIT Funny as soon as I posted up everything in the thread reappeared.
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scooter
climber
fist clamp
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Sep 13, 2008 - 02:43pm PT
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Maybe, because you could call ganja a climbing performance enhancer is what the DQ was about.
I could care less about comp climbing. Lets look at it from an atheletic point of view.
Ganja reduces felt pain, (i.e.) on the finger tips, and on the toes, etc... Any dispute?
Ganja releases some inhabitions,which helps make you more bold.
It also relaxes the mind which could be said to alleviate some of the pressure of competition.
If those aren't perormance enhancements I don't know what is.
For a competiton to be fair you try to remove as many variables as possible. Thus the people compete only against each others NATURAL abilities. That is why all tracks are 400m and flat. That is why if it is a windy day the results don't count towards records.
You place rules on things so people have to rise to the challenge.
Patrick
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Sep 13, 2008 - 03:00pm PT
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wait a minute...sharma smokes pot ?
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