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khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Original Post - May 7, 2008 - 10:48pm PT
What a great town.

The one silver lining in the car parts ordeal is that I've spent more time here than ever before. It's more down-to-earth in some ways than Mammoth... no doubt because there are more real people and fewer yups with a summer home. Everywhere I go I see fit outdoorsy people who use words like "sketchy"... my tribe!

So what do you like about this town? Any special stories or "must visit" places? Got any favorite cheap eats?

Looks like I may be here for a while...
susan peplow

climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
May 7, 2008 - 11:42pm PT
Go grab an ice cream at the Baskin Robbins and walk across the street on Tuesday or Thursday evenings to watch adult softball.

Same story for Millpond (minus the ice cream).

~Sooze


Booze on City property at your own risk
marky

climber
May 7, 2008 - 11:46pm PT
you can get the New York Times and a decent coffee at the bookstore
socalbolter

Sport climber
Silverado, CA
May 7, 2008 - 11:58pm PT
Many good memories from up there...
Tani

climber
Vista, CA
May 8, 2008 - 12:01am PT
Great Basin Bakery on Lagoon has very good coffee, bread, bagels, and baked goodies, and nice people that work there.
Russ Walling

Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
May 8, 2008 - 12:27am PT
Eastside nutshell:

Mammoth is a prissy pit.

Bishop is like Boulder, but with yellower teeth.

Big Pine is a defunct Indian Tacos trailer and cheaper gas.

Independence was a Frosty Stop, now deceased.

Lone Pine is Ill fitting cowboy boots and bad Katchina dolls.

Lee Vining is like Lone Pine, but the boots fit better. Too bad there is no soap in the windshield washer buckets at Wofgang Pucks rip off gas mart.

Hot tubs: a festering cauldron of stuff even a mild bleach solution won't deter.

What's to appreciate?

Edit: This cool ad popped up on top of this page... interesting. Probably linked to the keyword "hot tubs" in my post. Them Google ad words sure do seem to work!

orange crush

Boulder climber
ca
May 8, 2008 - 02:43am PT
everyone loves schaats in town but its a bit expensive but you can score some great deals on day old bread for 1/4th price, and 2 day old breads and bakery treats for 35cents and theres nothing wrong with 2 day old bread i constantly eat more than day old bread at my house
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
May 8, 2008 - 02:45am PT
Schaats is frozen baked good tourist garbage.

The east side is heaven, no matter what town you are calling home!
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
May 8, 2008 - 04:17am PT
"So what do you like about this town?"






The local girls!
Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 8, 2008 - 10:16am PT
Amigos is fantastic. If they served margaritas I'd never leave the place.
J. Werlin

climber
Cedaredge
May 8, 2008 - 10:49am PT
What's the name of that greasy spoon on the north end of town that has the killer Thai food?

The Tablelands, the 'milks, the Sierra, the Gorge, hot springs, bristlecones, small town, not so far from Josh, the Meadows, the Valley. Don't know if there is a better climbing/mountain town in the U.S.

Thought of moving there more than once. Only downer for me is the proximity to L.A. But hey, you can always hide out on the weekends.
khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2008 - 12:05pm PT
Splurged and picked up a burrito from Amigos yesterday. The burrito itself was good but not brilliant. Their salsa, however, was killer. Probably about the best I've ever had.

People really do use the public land around town, and this necessitates some discretion when camping. Even this morning, I'm way up on a hill in the Tungsten Hills, and I wake up to the sound of voices very near by. Some hikers.

I don't think I should mention yesterday morning's very embarrassing incident... but suffice it to say those poor ladies may have been somewhat traumatized (or maybe titillated, one never knows). Hence my unsuccessful attempt to get further out.
Tahoe climber

Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
May 8, 2008 - 12:11pm PT
I like Bishop
Miss Kava cafe, tho
dead up there now - but the fishing is getting good
The Pit closes in a coupla days
little warm for climbing at your limit
milks are still all good
Village cafe kicks ass
Black sheep coffee kicks ass too
even Looney bean is good

TC
Blinny

Trad climber
NWMontana
May 8, 2008 - 12:12pm PT
The ONLY reason to go to BigShop is Fart and Smile . . . ooops, I mean Smart and Final. . . they have the BEST big trash bags in the world!

:-)

eKat
atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
May 8, 2008 - 12:23pm PT
Bishop is my favorite place in CA. Started with a roadtrip in 87 from Prescott AZ, and can't count the number of times I have returned. Heading back this weekend. Hope to move back within five years.
salad

climber
Escondido
May 8, 2008 - 01:27pm PT
for me, the entire area has lots of great memories...

june lake was a family tradition from when i was about three years old. i remember the gigantic newfoundland dog named kuby (coby?) that was bigger than me at the vista motel. i have pics of my brother and late grandpa and i whth big stringers of trout, i must have been about 4, big sh#t eating grin, crooked hat.

i remember pissing in bait jars and coffee cups on gull lake when i was 5 cause the fish were biting and we werent going anywhere.

i can still see the fishheads sliding down the gulls throats as i cleaned my first fish behind the vista.

and that damned chipmunk that stole the meat off my sandwhich but left the bread while we fished virgina lake.

my first time in a tent was in rock creek. it was about 20 degrees and my big bro got the flu and puked all night. he bucked up and wanted to fish the next day. mom and dad fought over it, dad won and we fished.

didnt get over there much during high school and college, but my first vacation in the working world, my wife and i did our first 10 nighter back in the pioneer basin, recesses area. out of food, a little ganja, we made spears and worked the inlets and outlets off the fourth recess lake and speared a dozen small trout for our last dinner. it took all day cause they would scatter and wouldnt come back for about an hour after you got one.

i remember going after BCS when i first started climbing. there was still a lot of snow, we were slow, the altitude got me, late start, benighted. it was ugly, but we were downclimbing, rapping the ne butt when i decided to propose.

so i proposed in little lakes valley on jan 1, 1998. a big storm was comin in so we packed up and bailed like chickens. called the family and told them from the mammoth cheveron station. got pie eyed in slocums. cv joint problem. the vw guy in mammoth was awesome.

my daughter was conceived either in the vanagon either in rock creek or over by the thermal bouldering area outside of mammoth.

the first time i felt my daughter kick was in a motel in bishop.

we were in rock creek when my wife started puking every morning. heading over to the valley we stopped in mammoth and got a pregancy test. pulled over on 395 between mammoth and june and found out we were havin a baby...


martygarrison

Trad climber
Modesto
May 8, 2008 - 01:28pm PT
Russ,

What about Bridgeport? I used to love this place as a kid, the twin lakes and all. What is it like these days?
Fletcher

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
May 8, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
Those are some awesome memories, salad. You will never forget those places, that's for sure.

Fletch
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
May 8, 2008 - 01:41pm PT
"Adult softball?" Sounds like something that belongs over on Locker's thread.

I like that the median age is something like 83. All those geezers make me feel like a little kid cutting through Old Man Smithers' lawn or something.

Lower down on the population pyramid, sixteen year old girls, pushing strollers and eyeballin' you like you're their ticket out, always make me nervous. I used to get that a lot up in Shasta too.

I do like Mule Days.

Much as Los Anchorage is close to Alaska, the BEST thing about Bishop is it's proximity to the East Side.
khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2008 - 01:48pm PT
Nice post salad.

The median age in Bishop is... get this... 40. Better yet, for every 100 females over 18 there are only 90 males. (Source: Wikipedia)

One more reason Bishop should be appreciated.
Anastasia

climber
Not here
May 8, 2008 - 02:07pm PT
That explains why the Bishop boys always stared at me. I thought it was because I looked foreign.
AF

Indianclimber

climber
Las Vegas
May 8, 2008 - 03:15pm PT
I like that Mahogany smokehouse place on the North end of town
Anastasia

climber
Not here
May 8, 2008 - 03:22pm PT
I loved the bookstore and the photo gallery next door. Yet what stuck in my memory is visiting the tackle/fishing shops with my friend Ron Clough.
Ron would get the clerks to tell us the most terrific fishing tall tales. Those guys were some of the most colorful characters in that town. Someone needs to write a book on them.
AF


Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
May 8, 2008 - 03:25pm PT
Khanom, what kind of gourmet cooking do you do from your van kitchen?
treeman

climber
mule city
May 8, 2008 - 03:28pm PT
Shameless plug for Raymond's Deli, where Kava used to be. Good grub, great people, now serving beer. Try it.
Double D

climber
May 8, 2008 - 03:58pm PT
One word: JACKS

Many a alpine adventure started or ended there for an unbeatable greasy-spoon breakfast.

khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2008 - 12:27am PT
what kind of gourmet cooking do you do from your van kitchen?

Depends on who I'm trying to impress :)

With three burners and an oven, it's not hard to get something tasty going.
susan peplow

climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
May 9, 2008 - 12:57am PT
The Meat House (and I don't mean Demetri)

Love those Tri-Tips and nobody can grill 'em better than Eurobrief guy or the Fish Finder.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
May 9, 2008 - 01:30am PT
"my daughter was conceived either in the vanagon either in rock creek or over by the thermal bouldering area outside of mammoth."

dude, TMI



tho not bishop specific, the east side is all part of it.

Backpacking at 13 or 14 with the old man and scouts via new army pass, and chicken spring lake. Then doing another trip, with old man and uncle via Mulky Meadows. (don't do it)

bouldering at Buttermilks in the 80s with my childhood friend and his pops that taught us to climb.

throwing a TR on the stuff at Iris Slabs on a later trip with that friend, heading out to Benton Crags and just climbing something we thought we could do.

years later, playing ice on the creek at the whitney portal

various backpacking trips with put ins that were almost always east side. one in particular was the first time I saw Charlotte Dome. Talked to some "real" climbers going in to climb it. They had pink slings back then.

years later doing clip ups in Owens for the first time on the way to Lover's Leap. Did Gorgeous and nothing else and it was a stellar day (pre river). later wold have many pump fest days clipping bolts and drinking beer on the east side. onsighted many "10s" there.

Years later, doing some ice in Lee Vining and June Lake for real this time with Tim and Doug as our guides. Got a free pit eval lesson on avi danger. good guys.

years later, coming back to the milks with the 'bouldering fad' and enjoying Happys and Sads Druids and the Sherwin Areas (thx to Mick R with his enthusiasm for the area)

years later doing White Mtn with lightning and 2 hours of nasty hail, going close to hypothermic. good times. cookie and coffee from the lab folks never tasted so good.

years later taking the girlfriend to Owens and Lone Pine to clip bolts and having a lot of fun doing it, except for the mite or flea bite that sent her packing back home with prednisone.

Whoa Nelly deli food. May it never go bad.

Doing ice on the east side of Sonora Pass when the pass was open in late season by happenstance. what a treat.

probably forgetting more than one trip, but they almost all are good memories, each time I drive by Wheeler crest, I damn near drive off the road staring at it. Stunning.

Seeing the light shine through the minarets at the end of the day.

sh#t, I'm gonna get all teary.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
May 9, 2008 - 01:36am PT
Bishop is sweet. I got home from work, did some dishes, typed off a smart ass remark on supertopo, then went to the buttermilks, where I did a route that had been frustrating me since last summer.

Khanom if you're still stuck here tommorrow night myself and few other are headed back up to to the milks i think. Look for a ratty silver pick up or a guy climbing in blue kuakulators, that'll be me.

Tom
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
May 9, 2008 - 01:39am PT
You know... The only good memories I have are pretty much my time in Bishop. Hell, it's where I met most of the people I still communicate with today....

... then again.....


Russ has a point!
khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2008 - 02:42am PT
Thanks for the invite Tom. Yet another brake rotor arrives tomorrow, so I get to spend the day seeing if I really can remove the hub assembly from the current one and if the new rotor will fit. Might take a while. Relatively high likelihood of failure, resulting in me camping out at the Kragen parking lot. Already wore out my welcome at the NAPA.

But if I succeed, I was thinking of a few days in the Buttermilks. I'll look for you. Wave if you see the white Dodge Sportsmobile with a black cargo box on the roof.
orange crush

Boulder climber
ca
May 9, 2008 - 10:44am PT
i remember my first trip to bishop, it was a six day trip starting on my birthday, was camping/climbing in the buttermilks and was on my first problem of the day and my foot slipped off a hold when i was about a foot and a half off the ground and i landed backwards on my ankle, in swelled up really big so we drank a bunch of wine and i iced it, though continued to climb one footed for the rest of the trip and still had an amazing time. Though i had to take a month off climbing after the trip to let it heal, boy did that suck.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
May 9, 2008 - 10:52am PT
hey eric. i live just a few blocks behind the kragen if you need anything.
im off of barlow. ill look for you when i go to feed and turnout the horses.

regards gregg
BASE104

climber
An Oil Field
May 9, 2008 - 11:12am PT
Bishop has really changed in the last 25 years. It used to be this little redneck town, and was a blast.

Now there are all of those LADWP signs up at every decent bivy spot.

A cup of coffee used to be just a cup of coffee.

Rusty's was always fun. You could get drunk and have a slight chance of getting your ass kicked for a little sport.
khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2008 - 11:27am PT
Thanks Gregg.

Now there are all of those LADWP signs up at every decent bivy spot.

Far from true. In fact Bishop has some of the best camping close to town of any place I've seen.

There are some LADWP signs at the entrance to Tungsten Hills, for example, but they refer to just the land right there. Go a bit further and you hit BLM, with a sign.

A cup of coffee used to be just a cup of coffee.

You could always move to Idaho...
BASE104

climber
An Oil Field
May 9, 2008 - 12:18pm PT
All I know is that I lived there then, and I have been there now, and it isn't even close to the same. I caught the midnight van out of Round Valley every night to drive a cat in Mammoth, and even though I had a pass, after a while Joe Faint taught me how to fly fish. The Milks were very lonely. Usually not a soul. I used to ride my bike there all the time.

I hate to dis it like this, but Bishop has sort of been turned into Mammoth South. That is an exaggeration, but it has definitely grown in a way that is quite different from the sleepy redneck town that was pretty cool to live in.

And all of my old haunts now seem to sport that LADWP sign.
don'thaveone

climber
bishop
May 9, 2008 - 12:37pm PT
Russ gas cheaper in Big Pine?
Our gas is cheap an average $4.00 a gallon.
james Colborn

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
May 9, 2008 - 12:37pm PT
Those "fit outdoorsy people" Khanmon speaks so fondly of are, in the eyes of locals, yuppies.
Luckily for Bishop there is no more land to be developed, I'm not positive of the numbers but something like 12% of the land in Inyo is private, the remainder is public and LAPW land.
seamus mcshane

climber
May 9, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
Las Palmas Carnitas Plate always did the trick when the burner was low.
Fifteen years ago Bishop was a ghosttown compared with today, in the pre PAD PEOPLE era.
The whole eastside still holds favor in my soul, I lived there on and off for 5 years.
For me, it was hobo heaven.
Local Tom Klinefelter showed me some great hospitality and some great Buttermilk bouldering early on and I became hooked.
He is a very good climber as well, far more versed in technique than myself, yet a patient teacher willing to share his "secret" stashes.
BISHOP RULES!!!
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
May 9, 2008 - 12:51pm PT
It seriously makes me laugh and is kinda cool how, for as long as I can remember, if you so much as pause on the sidewalk, all traffic in Bishop will stop to let you cross the street.
Dirk

climber
Boulder, CO
May 9, 2008 - 03:46pm PT
...and no one has mentioned yet, so i gotta
the BEST DAMN DONUTS in cali are a huang's next to subway

let the pad people keep their pebbles, there's gold in those mountains
10b4me

climber
hanging by a thread
May 9, 2008 - 04:44pm PT
always have liked Bishop. been going there since 1972.
thought about movin' there once.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
May 9, 2008 - 05:02pm PT
Mahogany smoked sweet and spicy turkey jerky is good stuff. Expensive as all get out - but good.

Cheaper gas at the Paiute Palace - and you win a round at slots!

If you like sushi - Robbie from the old Shogun's in ML opened a new place in Bishop named Yamatani - good stuff too.

Just remember to not try to cross the 395 on foot on Friday nights or Sunday afternoons during ski season unless your dream is to be a hood ornament on a SoCal SUV.
salad

climber
Escondido
May 9, 2008 - 07:11pm PT
i dig the starbucks. great maple scone!
scuffy b

climber
watching the flytrap
May 9, 2008 - 07:48pm PT
seamus mcshane,
I'm not sure you're allowed to spell Buttermilk without an s
anymore.
How did the Buttermilk country become the Milks?
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal Hell
May 9, 2008 - 08:39pm PT
First memories of Bishop was back in the early 60's, my parents would stay at the motel located next to the park, that way my mother could keep watch on me while I played. Loved that pool as a kid....That motel got torn down a few years ago and some new pricey place took its place.
Whiskey creek, yeah, it was around way back then on a much smaller scale. I guess it was pricey even back in the 60's, since it became a joke in my family that I ordered a hamburger costing an exorbinant price of .79 cents!!!!!
Many years of the family stopping in Bishop on our way up to Twin Lakes in Bridgeport.
Of course we always stopped at Schats.
Now years later and on my own, like to stay at the one somewhat inexpensive motel off 395 for $38 per night, have a brain lock and cannot think of the name...

Good ole Wilson's
Looney Bean
Yumm....Jacks!!!! aat there this morning before heading back to SO Cal. Hell.....
Cheapest gas at the Casino...

and yeah, was out at the Buttermilks yesterday and totaled my knee.

Last but not least; the hospital, my Ortho repaired my knee after my little mishap in the Gorge!!!!! Thanks Doctor Robinson!!!!!



EDIT: almost forgot to mention the awesome used book store in town, bought my copy of Conrad's Heart of Darkness today for five bucks!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spot

climber
Atascadero,Ca
May 9, 2008 - 09:37pm PT
Bishop isn't the same as it was years ago, but I can think of worse places to spend a little time.

I remember one summer in the late 70's going to the Tri-county fair with a buddy and a couple of local girls we grew up with. Their mom said to get them home early. We got home at 6am as mom was leaving for work. Asked mom if 6am was early enough.

Those were the days!

I was lucky - I grew up in Independence
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
May 9, 2008 - 09:45pm PT
Don't worry Base, you can still get your ass kicked at rusty's on any given night. I usually leave before 10:00 to avoid the nonsense that is still pretty regular. Funny thing, now that Rusty's is all upscale, there appears to be an upswing in brawls at the ultra swank (by bishop standards) Whiskey Creek.

Yep, maybe bishop has changed as regular people get chased out of mammoth by high prices and chi chi attitudes, but Bishop changes those people when they get here. Don't worry, we're doing fine, just folks trying to stretch a dollar to live somewhere pretty sweet.

Tom
nutjob

Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
May 9, 2008 - 09:51pm PT
Frankly I'm a bit disappointed. I thought this thread was about pulling together to support Christian religious leaders.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
May 9, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
Nefarius-

We stop for folks in the crosswalk becuase we have a highway for a Main Street, they'd never get across if people didn't yieled to crosswalks.

This is actually interesting, we've had two very serious accidents in the last month in crosswalks. Two guys got f-'in creamed, one possibly paralyzed, other on life support, in the those quaint little crosswalks that people love to see.

one driver was an old guy that didn't see the ped, the other was drunk- both were locals.

The police have been running crosswalk stings, where a plain clothes person walks the crosswalk, and a nearby officer writes tickets for cars that don't stop. The officer told me he could have written far more tickets than he wrote.

Basically, the way I figure is that this town has all the problems that a major city has except on a smaller scale and you know the people that got f'd or do the f'ing.

It's been a learning experience moving here

Tom



khanom

Trad climber
car part hell
Topic Author's Reply - May 9, 2008 - 10:53pm PT
Freedom is mine!!!1



Fish Finder Appreciation:
Thanks so much for the company, good conversation, moral support, beta and beer among other things, Gregg. That was a most enjoyable and relaxing day.. the perfect way to celebrate a successful van fix. It was great to meet you and your gf... you're one hell of a guy. Not to mention your horses... was it obvious I was super stoked about that?

Will stop by again soon.
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Aug 6, 2011 - 04:48am PT
This is some of the stuff I was weaned-on when I first got here (the forum).
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:02am PT
This is a great thread about a worthy place!

I have lived on the east side now for going on 23 years. Though the number of 100 degree days would keep me from ever wanting to live in Bishop, the place has been an oasis for us in many ways.

When the snow gets deep and unrelenting up here in June Lake, we can 'escape' to Bishop for a bit....even a short break from snow issues is a welcome one.

Spending a balmy evening in Bishop at ANY time of year is a real treat! Watching the sun go down over the Sierra crest...the light on the White Mountains....billowing lenticulars gracing the sky....Bishop evenings can rock your senses!

Bishop has also been the staging area for many rescues I have been involved in, and I have some powerful memories of extricating some poor soul from desperate circumstances, keeping them alive, then spotting Bishop as the helo draws closer to the airport and the great staff at Northern Inyo Hospital.

I've known the joy of watching my two kids being born there, and I've experienced the grief of burying dear friends there.....the place will forever be in my heart.

The place has some really great residents, and a fabulous heart and soul.
east side underground

Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:22am PT
Mishap= a one mule cow town
Robb

Social climber
The other side of life
Aug 6, 2011 - 10:19pm PT
Nice views east--Boundry Peak & the Whites.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:01pm PT
After spending a wek in SoCal for business I am soooo happy to be home in Bishop. Nothing like it.

Watered my garden and chilled around the house today, headed up to the Meadows in the morning to climb with the wife and kids...the East Side is heaven on earth.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:11pm PT
pretty lame town. yeah, mountains and climbing ... but also hillbillies galore and no economy beyond Caltrans and the Forest Service. LA stampedes up and down 395 during the weekend.

Frank Zappa said that any nation worth a damn (paraphrase) should have an airport, a brewery, and a football team. In my opinion any town worth a damn should have a respectable college/university and coffeehouses that don't close at 5 pm. By those criteria, Bishop doesn't make the cut. But comparable towns Boulder and Bozeman do.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:14pm PT
Sounds like you don't fit in here. No problemo....have fun in Boulder, your snobby attitude will be perfect....
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:18pm PT
and what's happening in downtown Bishop this Saturday night? staring at the Sierra Crest in darkness again? watching local kids cruise Main St? have fun with that
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:26pm PT
lol....As I said you don't fit in. The lack of a "scene" is precisely what some folks like about it.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Aug 6, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
I spent part of my "growing up" years living in Walker, and used to go to Bishop on school related activities. Always love visiting there. I have yet to do any bouldering there....not really my thing. But I'd like to give it a go sometime, the pics I see are always amazing.

Someone asked about Bridgeport earlier in the thread. I haven't been there in years, but we used to go to the Travertine hot springs at night all the time and party down. Was pretty awesome in the winter - hot springs surrounded by snow.

Just outside of Bridgeport is where I got my first introduction to climbing, at the Marine base up at Pickel Meadows. I love the Sierra mountain range, wish I could deal with wet and cold better and spend more time up there then I do.
Scole

Trad climber
San Diego
Aug 7, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
I really appreciated Bishop; back in the 70's. Back then, Mammoth had half a dozen climbers, and maybe the same number in Bishop. Talk about lack of scene, if you saw other climbers you went somewhere else. If you knew a climb had been done, you did something new.

There are still gems to be found, but we had it when it was fresh!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Aug 7, 2011 - 09:45pm PT
Bozeman and Boulder are cities.
And they don't have a Manor Market.
Or the Milks.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Aug 7, 2011 - 10:15pm PT
best used and rare books at the East Side Books on Short Street.. the woman who runs the place really knows her stuff.

and the coffee bar in the back of Spellbinders is really excellent for good food and a perfect espresso.

of course not to mention the obvious that great mountaineering and alpine climbs are right out the back door on all sides.

used to frequent Boulder.. can't stand it now.
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 8, 2011 - 03:23pm PT
What happened on Saturday night (previous post)?

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 3, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Credit: GDavis

This morning by the Happies. For the early bird it's a personal climbing gym.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Oct 5, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Mt. Humphreys from my bedroom.
Mt. Humphreys from my bedroom.
Credit: FRUMY
To funny ms55401 hit it right on the point of the nail. ( he got it up side down )
I'm a climber- looking at the Sierras Crest at night - is there anything better.
It's not a question.
Yuppies in Bishop hahahahahahahahah.
Anyone young & upwardly is out of here right after high school.
After living in Los Angeles, San Francisco, & Spending lots of time in New York, Chigaco, & New Orleans Bishop is heaven.
There isn't enough money in the world to get me to live in Boulder.
Bozman is pretty cool.
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Oct 5, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
Bozeman is pretty cool.Born and raised there.Family still there.Moved to Bishop 15 years ago.Bishop's cooler!!! ;-) :-D
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Oct 5, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
Gdavis view is burned into my memory as well. It is a fortress, made of & holding much treasure. Love waking up to that.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 5, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Bishop use to be a cool place until White Mt. Estates sprung up to the north..The small retirement community is occupied with retired senile cops , sex starved sailors , sissies , climate deniers , and an adult drive thru diaper store...Yeah..Bishop use to be a better place until...
MisterE

climber
Oct 5, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Yep, much appreciation here. Hope to make it home someday...
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Oct 6, 2013 - 03:09am PT
I lived in Bishop for about 5-6 summers between 1978 and 1994.
We rented a storage unit and otherwise lived out of my truck.
Showers at the municipal pool.
Camping at Brown's or out in the Buttermilks.
Sunday night reggae show from the Univ of Reno radio station.
Ah, the life...

Main street, Bishop, 1980s
Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat

Don't you love summers in Bishop...
Credit: Sierra Ledge Rat
KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Oct 6, 2013 - 03:48am PT
The one silver lining in the car parts ordeal is that I've spent more time here than ever before.

Yes, like Moab, Bishop is one of the great Fanbelt Capitals of the West...

Like many newlyweds on our Forum, we drove up from Berkeley to visit the NW Arete of Humphries, oh, 1976 thereabouts. Never in my wildest dreams did we think we’d build and live beneath its sunset, just a very few years afterwards. And now my newlywed daughter and our son-in-law, in the home next door, which was one of my Design/Build deliveries BITD.

Repeated this line just a few weeks ago, and I certainly returned with much more booty rack than I started up with! There’s a reason Humphries is on the cover of the latest Secor’s Guidebook (instead of Whitney, for a welcome change); this line, and all of the others, may be some of the Fairest of All.

I haven’t sampled “Sage,” across West Line from Dwayne’s Friendly Farmacia; the ambient lighting needs, perhaps, some fine tuning, but its Chef/Owner is a gourmet alumni from the 4-Diamond “Restaurant at Convict Lake” (where’s the best Dining in Bishop? - “At Convict Lake,” outside Mammoth.

This is to distinguish Matt from the other gourmand, Matt Toomy, who helped start-up “Whoa Nellie,” Lee Vining Mobile Station (“Eat Here and Get Gas” - just kidden’).

Yes, more and more folks are discovering the magical ‘Milks, and the close-in Sport venues. Quite often I meet climbers on the Grand Tour: Valley; Meadows; Gorge and Buttermilk - then off to Red Rocks, and points East, or down to J/Tree. (Seasonally, Death Valley/Eureka for the winter cabin fever. 4 great National Parks within a couple hours drive, or hike, out the Door. Winter Ski Mountaineering on the Crest.

“Life is not easy in the Piney Woods,” as I was advised during my “Orientation Office Tour,” during my induction to the last regular “job” I was to hold for a commendable 2 year stint, before I was to learn the career equivalent of free solo. Looks like, for the umteenth time, I must be sure to arrange my toe tag feet forward,and feetforward. There’s no return from a lifetime of rich and authentic moments.

But I hold dear to the overwhelming positive which have been posted as herein, and it has been a pleasure to be speaking with you now.

Again my Buttermilk gauntlet - locate, ascend, and post up “The Crystal Method” - Dale Bard’s 25 foot “Wall of Crystals.” It took your correspondent 18 years to do likewise, because Dale remained soft spoken about its locality. Some puntsters indeed posted some Hero shots, but none of these documented sending the summit.

Looks like public sentiment values our Bishop, with many testimonials to such effect. It’s been said that folks who surpass the 10 yard line are dedicated, and are all hard workers.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Oct 6, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Sage in really excellent. I think I'll eat there tonight.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Oct 6, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Bishop? Meh.

Now Tonopah!

There's a happening place.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 6, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Dwayne's unfriendly Pharmacy and Jack's Awful shop...Some people call it Stupid town..
KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Oct 7, 2013 - 03:37am PT
So take it over to Walgreens already...there's a Denny's while you wait.
ruppell

climber
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:06am PT
I appreciate Bishop so much I moved here. lol Then got married, bought a house and found a real full time job. Coming from someone who was a dedicated dirtbag from 2003 to 2009 that is one hell of a commitment. In those dirtbag years working 2-3 months to play for 9-10 I stumbled on this little town. I also stumbled on most of the other ones in the US. For year round climbing Bishop is hard to beat. So I hoping that's past the ten yard line.
10b4me

Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Bishop is a great town. It can't be all that bad if Croft lives there. It's just a little too hot in the summer for me. Flagstaff is my town of choice, and it's not that far from Bishop.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Oct 7, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Flagstaff is one of the few places I would live & love it.

I lived in Mammoth in 74-75, it's been on a downhill slide ever since. Nice place to visit for a day or two, but if I lived there now I sure as h_ll wouldn't admit it. Worst run city in Cal.

The only problem with bishop is it's 4:30 from surfing.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 7, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
the turning point for Bishop came the day Tarbuster donned a cowboy hat and strolled barefoot down mainstreet ..
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Jan 5, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
Credit: FRUMY
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jan 5, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
U stick that move Frumy?? Such a fun climb.




One other thing nobody has mentioned.


Petite pantry. Gigantic huevos, your very own office chair, & harrowing border patrol stories all wrapped into a nice tortilla to take climbing if you can't finish. Need to get your taxes done while eating breakfast? Just ask your server.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jan 5, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
There's always something happening in Big Pine down the road.
Credit: McHale's Navy
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 5, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
nice shot of Sill behind the Kitchen...
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 5, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
Just like the Left Bank in Paris down by the Seine. Gifted talkers, brilliant conversationalists up on the latest intellectual fads.

Bishop = en plein quartier Latin

An avant garde citadel!
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Feb 5, 2014 - 11:26am PT
Bruce, exactly why I moved to Bishop.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Feb 5, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Bishop always brings a smile to my face with many fond memories. My dad took us there as kids from the early 50's on countless fishing trips. Here I am at the old Hot Creek Ranch, always remember the old man catching that fish on a dry fly way BITD.

Charlie D. @ Hot Creek Ranch circa mid 50's
Charlie D. @ Hot Creek Ranch circa mid 50's
Credit: Charlie D.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Feb 5, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
Nice Trout....

Mark... I'm happy you moved to Bishop.

Your back bedroom is so quiet and nice
pyrosis

Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:27am PT


























































KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
Credit: KabalaArch
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:07pm PT

New York



London



Paris



Bishop
Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:17pm PT
KabalaArch^^^^^^

WOW!! Nicely done!!

Captures perfectly the vibe of the Owens Valley
at dawn...

I love Bishop!!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
Love that zone. I always liked a loaf of the jalapeno cheesebread from schat's, 4 or so shots of spro, pack of a-spirits and a jug of water for spending a day loafing around the b-milks or the potato patch at Clark.
KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
I love Bishop!!

Thank's for your compliment, Rollover - this is Starlite's front yard.

In addition to the Klettergarten is a tremendous variety of bridle trails, making for superb single track riding and running.

I guess it's bittersweet to see The Crystal Method posted up by pyrosis. That's a hard variation, meaning, it's out of my reach. Don't know Vermin grading - but my impression was 5.12+ (B2). Towards the left is a .10c weakness.
When my daughter and I would go out there, we'd park the Jeep at some distance, and use rakes and brooms to erase our approach tracks. Since getting there is half the fun, be nice to keep this jewel out of the guide, at least for a while.
During my constitutionals, I've noticed some fixed TR's near the springs (never mind which ones). Pretty futuristic sandbox...no chalk above +8' yet.

BTW - the best season, and time of day, to go Buttermilking is...?
pyrosis

Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Anytime!

As for Crystal Method, now I know the name. We always called it the Glass House. Right arete - NBD, Left side NTB, Center PDH

Edit - I assume you didnt mean the shot from crystal ridge, that one is in one guide that i know of and its ntb as well :)
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 6, 2014 - 07:28pm PT
Credit: drljefe
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:29am PT
Credit: FRUMY
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 9, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
pyrosis

Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 9, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
Just another night in Bishop

Credit: pyrosis
KabalaArch

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Feb 9, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
Edit - I assume you didnt mean the shot from crystal ridge, that one is in one guide that i know of and its ntb as well :)

psyrosis- do tell about Crystal Ridge; this is a different area altogether.
I heard about The Crystal Method in the early 80's. Dale Bard found it when he spent a year living upcanyon near there in his bread van; Hiskes oversummered out there as well, and that accounts for much bouldering development, as well as the various bolted leads.

Dale would not disclose the location of The Method; it took me about 18 years to find it. Turns out that I'd been running, and mtn biking past it, on the nearby road that was my morning workout.

Well, one fine Jan. day, I was ski touring out there, at just the right time of the afternoon, when all of the milky quartz was glowing in the solitice sun. There was no mistaking it! (And, as you know, all of those crystals are downslopers; may as well just be painted on there).

There is, indeed, a Crystal Hill not far from our home, where my young daughter would never fail to bring home amethyst and garnets, lots of quartz. Found a specimen arrowhead in our front yard, the start of quite a collection of spear points, along with some unusually tiny points which were evidently fashioned for quail and sage grouse.

Really, any time is a good time to be Buttermilking. But it breaks my heart to see dozens of cars out there weekends. BITD, it was Wednesdays, July and August. After work, at about 6 o'clock, the whole shebang would go under the shadow of Mt. Tom, and the temps would immediately drop to the low 70's. I was surprised if I encountered another soul out there, and, if I did, it was a pleasure.











The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:00am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#344330
gf

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:33am PT
Fenced in on the bishop res cemetary
Fenced in on the bishop res cemetary
Credit: gf
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:49am PT
ah yeah, cool thread.
WTF

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:49am PT
Was it really 70 today.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 10, 2014 - 04:16am PT
One six eight. <br/>
One six eight.

Credit: mouse from merced
One six eight.
One six eight.
Credit: mouse from merced
Whinny and Pooh.  Side to side, stride for stride, lookin' fer hand-ou...
Whinny and Pooh. Side to side, stride for stride, lookin' fer hand-outs.
Credit: mouse from merced
Did ya say hand-outs?
Did ya say hand-outs?
Credit: mouse from merced
Rain on the plain.
Rain on the plain.
Credit: mouse from merced
First week of June 2013.
First week of June 2013.
Credit: mouse from merced
"Bishop G.C., High Sierra."  Miter not be fun with or without a roper,...
"Bishop G.C., High Sierra." Miter not be fun with or without a roper, a Roper, or a rope gun. Yer gunna die, do it quick and be done, with a gun.
Credit: mouse from merced
Northing out there but flat land and that's good.
Northing out there but flat land and that's good.
Credit: mouse from merced
Knot Nooone out in the air, taking the wind out of my sails.  Fellow's...
Knot Nooone out in the air, taking the wind out of my sails. Fellow's a tough bird.
Credit: mouse from merced
Wind did not bother him as he was used to it, he said. He then said he was full of beans and he slid off into the wind again.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
Thanks for that magnificent photo, The Chief!
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:56pm PT
Kabala - Thanks for letting us go out there.Sure seems like you own the place.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Feb 14, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Credit: FRUMY
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
Howard said that it was 81 yesterday, the earliest 80 degree temp ever in the Owens Valley.
10b4me

climber
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#345029
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:00pm PT
Credit: FRUMY
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
Beck...81 degrees makes me appreciate Bishop..Bishop is like the water hub of the Eastern Sierra...Kabala...We think of you often as we stare between the lines and numbers...rj
new world order2

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Ahhhhhh, Bish

Credit: new world order2

Credit: new world order2
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:28am PT
Regal
Regal
Credit: RyanD


Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:30am PT
Bishop lies peacefully below Elderberry Canyon, Mt. Tom

Credit: Cragman
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:45am PT
Dawn... three days ago from my front yard.


ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:53am PT
Chinchen still around?
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:28am PT
Spent many a day playing in the east side. I fricking miss those times. Very envious of you who have made it a home.
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:52am PT
The only money in Bishop is people gassing up etc on there way to, or from Mammoth. Mammoth is a cul de sac going nowhere.
Put 2 and 2 together.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 03:34am PT
Dawn... three days ago from my front yard.

The Chief, TFPU!

Please keep posting pics to this thread.

Can we setup a webcam at your house? :-)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 22, 2014 - 03:36am PT
Jedi
Jedi
Credit: Jaison L
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
the best!
the best!
Credit: karen roseme

Can't beat this place!
Relic

Social climber
Weenie
Feb 22, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
Weed Appreciation
Weed Appreciation
Credit: Relic
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:29pm PT
Credit: FRUMY
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Feb 23, 2014 - 09:52am PT
Last November's first storm... the view from my living room sucks!













My Wife captured these aliens last week while I was down on the Lower O playing with the local Brown's....

pyrosis

Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:58am PT
Awesome pics
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:22am PT
I LOVE Bishop, and would be happy to live there permanently. I've spent lots of time there, through the years, and will be back down for some climbing in late April. Can't wait!!
Fish Finder

Social climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:42pm PT



To Live and Die in Bishop

its not all that bad indeed
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 23, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
What's up Gregg?!! Have a good day in Bishop dude!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Feb 23, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
You guys suck!

























Sent from South Orange county hell.



Wish I was at the east side now.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Feb 24, 2014 - 12:47am PT
We are all doing just perfect Weston. As long as we remain here in...


Heaven.


(Sunrise and Moonset together over Morrison and McGee. Taken last week from, you guessed it, my front yard)






You and Your's are always welcome, WML.




(From one of my favorite Brownie holes on the Lower O just down the road from my front yard after the last storm)
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Mar 8, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
http://www.deepestvalley.com/sign-the-regpa-petition/
Please sign this!
This is place is too beautiful to develop!

Sign the REGPA Petition! - DEEPEST VALLEY:
http://www.deepestvalley.com
On March 18th, the Inyo County Board of Supervisors will vote on whether or not to adopt the Planning Department’s draft Renewable Energy General Plan Amendment (REGPA)....
Credit: karen roseme
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Mar 10, 2014 - 12:38am PT
Credit: RyanD
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Mar 10, 2014 - 02:36am PT
(from) you guessed it, my front yard
I recognize the canyon mid hieght of the pic being near Tom's Place. guess: Chalfant Valley?
Mick Ryan

Trad climber
The Peaks
Mar 10, 2014 - 08:40am PT
I have no recollection of this Bishop, California!

hossjulia

climber
Mar 10, 2014 - 08:45am PT
^^good
Fish Finder

Social climber
Mar 10, 2014 - 09:03am PT
Hey Mick

I can refresh your memmory

would you like the good the bad or all!

Hey RyanD

I just saw your greetings up thread

Its been nice here in the deepest valley

Hope you and your wife and the dog are well

FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Apr 20, 2014 - 10:35am PT
What a great day for anything.

Yesterday I saw four people at the sad's & really not very many at the buttermilks.

FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Apr 30, 2014 - 11:03pm PT
Credit: FRUMY
ß Î Ř T Ç H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
May 1, 2014 - 01:32am PT
The boulders in front of Wheeler Crest and above Swall Meadows are neat.
Not all-that earth shattering, but alot of virgin rock splayed out before those that are willing to hike.
MisterE

climber
Jul 16, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
Met RottingJohnny at High Country Lumber Monday, let me know if you need side-work!

Working two remodels right now, I climbed more in LA...

Glad to be here, found a house-sitting gig for a month, then Skip and I move into our new place on the first. She follows for the final move by the 15th.

One month to go before MrE & Maidy are fully settled!

Great people here - thanks to Fishfinder, Tom Grundy, Karine, Tim & Krista Maloney, Tai, Marty, Tony & Nan, Julie & Tim, Ryan, Paul and everyone at The Zoo, EE, Em, In-laws Ed and Gloria, Kevin Daniels and everyone else who has made us feel at home.

Erik
Janet Wilts

Trad climber
Grand Teton National Park
Jul 16, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
I have fond memories of Bishop. Although I haven't been there for a number of years. There's climbing, skiing, backpacking, tuolumne, many good places to go from there...
a great place to base out of....
... I'm kind of partial to the grand Teton area....but this is my last summer here...
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Jul 16, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
Really nice day and evening.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Jul 17, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
Amazing evening at the Buttermilks.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 17, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
Do you really need to rub it in?
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