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john hansen
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 16, 2007 - 12:25am PT
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I always thought these four pictures had alot of historical value.
They are from the dedication for Camp 4 as a historical site.
Some day these will be in Chicken Skinners museum.
Some one should put names to all these faces before Werner gets Alzhimer,s.
I see Harding, Pratt, Allen Steck, Rowell,Tom Frost, Don Lauria, Rob Muir,,, Oli??
Bacher, Croft, Chongo, Kauk, and Ken Yeager..
Help me fill in the blank's.
( photo's taken from AAJ)
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2007 - 01:01am PT
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That helps alot Warbler.
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seamus mcshane
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Aug 16, 2007 - 07:48am PT
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Awesome pics-9/25/99.
Topped out on Zodiac that evening.
Drum circle until midnight in the meadow below us, full moon.
First topout for my partner and I, COSMIC VIBE, despite missing the party.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Aug 16, 2007 - 03:14pm PT
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Warbler - white vest? good one! LOL
How's it going funk brother? Hope all's cool your way - see ya at the crags soon?
Cheers, jb
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John Vawter
Social climber
San Diego
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Aug 16, 2007 - 03:58pm PT
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In the second picture from the top, is that Jim Donini and Robbins standing on the left? Could the guy in the white hat be Henry Barber, and the guy crouching in front of him, Kim Schmitz? Chouinard is between Steck and Frost in the front row.
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John Vawter
Social climber
San Diego
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Aug 16, 2007 - 08:45pm PT
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I see the resemblance to Sheridan Anderson, but he passed away in 1984 according to Wiki. I found a recent pic of Barber, and I agree the guy in the white hat could not be him.
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2007 - 10:46pm PT
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Harding still had that intense stare. Looks like he,s ready to kick somebody,s ass... is Steve Roper in there somewhere?
Pratt looks completly serene.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 16, 2007 - 11:03pm PT
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Roper is in the first and second pictures, top row. He is wearing glasses, to the right of Denny, up and right of Chuck and up and left of Galen. (I don't recognize the guy just to the right, with the white hat.) Steve is also in approximately in the same position in the second photo.
Chuck was probably drunk, looking to get laid. Okay, serenely drunk if we are trying to maintain airs.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Aug 16, 2007 - 11:36pm PT
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hey there... say, nice to see my brother mark there!.... dont want to spoil the fun, but if you all needed more names, i could print out the pic and send it to mark... could be he may know some more of the names... but seems like you all got most of them, already... man, oh, man--great old-time pic.... (mind you, not old-timer... that would back a tad before these guys... but they're getting there)..... well, nice to see mark... thanks all!
say---as to printing out the pic... may i? i could still send it to mark, just for fun.... am asking permission, first though.... god bless... thanks for the history...
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2007 - 01:12am PT
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Who are the lady,s ? Bev Johnson ,,and Sybil Hecktal(sp)
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Aug 17, 2007 - 02:03am PT
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But I'm so glad Bachar is still with us! good pics!!!
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klinefelter
Boulder climber
Bishop, CA
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Aug 17, 2007 - 02:28pm PT
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Tye-Dye guy in photo 4 is Dean Miller.
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Tony Puppo
climber
Bishop
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Aug 17, 2007 - 03:38pm PT
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In the second photo the white cap guys looks a little like Alan Bard?
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 17, 2007 - 04:36pm PT
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I don't know who the two guys in white hats are. Allan died in 1997 and I think these pictures were taken in 99.
The guy in the white hat who is between Roper and Rowell in the first picture and between Roper and Denny in the second picture might be Dick Erb. Anyone know if Erb was there?
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 17, 2007 - 04:56pm PT
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I think that is Ed Barry by Ron.
Note Tom Frost has the biggest smile in the group, and Leavitt's forearms seem smaller on film.
Bev Johnson is not in the pic, she died in a helicopter crash while skiing.
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WBraun
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Aug 17, 2007 - 05:06pm PT
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sumthins rong with those photos
They're all posing.
They're supposed to be trying the Midnight lightning.
What's the world coming to?
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 17, 2007 - 05:54pm PT
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Young dude with the glasses and chin scruff, above Chappy in one photo and left of him in the other, is Layton Korel Bridwell, standin in for his absent pops.
Peter
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 17, 2007 - 06:14pm PT
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Good catch Peter.
I am struggling with lots of the climbers in the 'younger' two photos.
In picture 3,
1. Who are the folks between Chapman and Hechtel?
2. Who is the guy without the shirt between Mike White and Ken Yager?
3. Who is the guy between Barry and Corbet, between Corbert and Bachar, and to the left of Cashner? (Of the named persons, I only know Barry and John)
4. Who is the guy with in the middle with the white button shirt?
In picture one, is the guy in the back row, between Galen and Allen, Chuck Kroger?
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 17, 2007 - 08:28pm PT
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Roger,
Photo 3 Between Chapman and Hechtel: Scotty Burke, don't know, RD Caughron (rip), Ed Barry, Scott Stowe,
Next Row down: Jose Pererya (rip), me, Corbett in front, Paul Piana behind, Randy Leavitt, Todd Skinner (rip), Kevin Worral, Rick Sylvester
Front: Corbett, Randy Leavitt, Bachar, Cashner, Hans Florine,
Where were you that day dude!
Peter
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 17, 2007 - 09:13pm PT
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You know Peter that is sort of a sore point.
Bridwell and I both sent in our applications, plus the cash, and the pictures, and the surety bonds, and curriculum vitae, and we waited and waited and waited. No reply.
So finally, Jim calls and is told that they don't have room for us. You know good a sweet talker Jim is, so he gets Layton in as long as he forfeits the deposit. Jim’s plan was to take Layton’s place at the last minute, since he looks so young and all. (But then he forgot and Layton went anyway.)
After Jim tells me what happened, I call up and get the hemming and hawing. I think about using Jim’s ploy of offering up my daughter as a stand in. Thankfully I remember what it was like in Camp 4 and think better of it, given my commitment to protect my kids.
Finally, they just came right out and tell me that they were afraid that the dignity of the ceremony--necessary for the historical status--would be lost if I showed and 'I didn’t want that on my shoulders, did I?"
Well of course not.
Anyway, I figured that it would be a drag and they would not let me and Steve and Chuck get drunk and try to make Royal be serious and TM laugh, so I stayed at home.
Mowed the grass.
Bought the video when it came out.
Regretted it ever since.
TL,C Buzz
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:59am PT
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This is quite an interesting board game. Discarding all the attributions with a question mark, I come up with a total of 17 unidentified people.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:51am PT
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In the second photo the big guy next to Loyd is Jerry Gallwas and in front of him with the beard is George Whitmore.
In the first photo next to Loyd is Chris Jones (pretty sure) In front of Loyd is Ken Boche.
Ken
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 12:34pm PT
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Hi Kevin,
I remember Ken Boche singing some Irish ballad during the event and was pretty sure it was him. I have never met him before. My memory is not what it used to be so I could easily be wrong.
Ken
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 01:44pm PT
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Down to 14 now.
Photo 1:
Way up and left in photo 1 seems to be Donini, not Boche. And the fellow with the black cap and facial hair to the right of Price can't be Chris Jones? Chris came through DC once and we went to Carderock. You see I know C4 climbers only if they have also climbed at Carderock. But you know best so I took that to be Chris.
Seem to be unknown based on what little I know:
Front row starting from the left.
#1 happy white haired fellow.
#3 the not Henry Barber
Back row including Loyd Price starting from the left:
#5 Studious looking fellow with glasses, beard and too much hair for our age.
#7 White cap peeking out between Roper's and Rowell's ears.
Photo 2:
Front row starting from left:
#3 Sunglasses on a keeper
Back row from left starting with Donini:
#2 with the prominent forehead
#3 laughing fellow
Photo 3:
Front row starting from left:
#1 Triangular face, bare feet and right below Kauk
Back row starting from left
Fellow with head tilted trying to see around Burke's afro.
Barechested fellow just left of younger Yager
Photo 4:
Second row starting from left:
#2 croucher
#3 with the busy shirt
Back row starting from left:
#1 the possible McNamara
and the dark haired fellow at seven o'clock from the younger Yager
I could easily have errors in which case all this means nothing. If anyone is interested I can mail these annotated pictures to someone.
I had never seen Lauria so to check that I went to a website with a picture taken in the early 60's. Seemed a fit to me. Which raises a question. Is the "not Henry" Dennis Hennek? Could easily be based on the 60's photo I saw.
What a disreputable bunch of characters.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 18, 2007 - 02:07pm PT
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I've been searching around the net, trying to find higher resolution versions of the photos - it may help identify some of the people in them.
While doing so, I ran across the Yosemite Association website. In its report for 2003, it states "Camp 4, the famed climbers’ campground in Yosemite Valley, was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on February 21. It was deemed significant because the camp played a pivotal role in the development of sport rock climbing at a time when technique and skill were passed on by word-of-mouth -- before the deluge of guidebooks and manuals." Astonishing - Yosemite and Camp 4 as pivotal in the development (!?) of sport (?!*) rock climbing. I knew it was important for something to do with climbing.
http://www.yosemite.org/aboutya/annual2003.htm
Edit: I couldn't find anything on the YCA website either, but perhaps Ken has good copies somewhere.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 18, 2007 - 02:38pm PT
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Thanks, Kevin. I'm pretty up on the great fight to save Camp 4 - quite active in access and climbing matters here, plus I've spent a lot of time in Camp 4. (We crossed paths there, if not met, in the 1970s - I was one of the cast of thousands of passersby.) A great victory, and all concerned deserve a real pat on the back. I was at the Facelift last September, and on the Sunday before there was a ceremony in Camp 4 to commemorate its being recognized.
I also looked for the pictures on John Middendorf's website http://www.bigwalls.net/climb/camp4yosemite/index.html, but didn't see them. They'd nicely round out the story there.
See you at the Facelift?
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 03:52pm PT
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10 left.
I checked a number of pictures of McNamara on the web. Just about certain so took him off.
Photo 1:
Front row starting from the left.
#1 happy white haired fellow.
#3 the not Henry Barber
Back row including Loyd Price starting from the left:
#5 Studious looking fellow with glasses, beard and too much hair for our age.
#7 White cap peeking out between Roper's and Rowell's ears.
Photo 2:
Front row starting from left:
#3 Sunglasses on a keeper
Photo 3:
Back row starting from left
Fellow with head tilted trying to see around Burke's afro.
Barechested fellow just left of younger Yager
Photo 4:
Second row starting from left:
#2 croucher
#3 with the busy shirt
and the dark haired fellow at seven o'clock from the younger Yager
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 04:28pm PT
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Down to 9
I can't find a photo of Hennek.
Working right in the back row of photo 3 starting with Burke.
Burke
? tilted head
RD Caughron. Long ago I had had a communication with RD but had never met him . Identified upthread.
Barry with his arm around Stowe
Stowe
Or so it would seem.
Great game this. What we need is for Donini to come in to work and get us the list of participants.
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:17pm PT
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Some progress & one question:
Photo 3
My poor attempt / Crowley
FRONT ROW
Pererya /Pererya
Mayfield/Mayfield
Corbett /Corbett
Leavitt /Leavitt
Bachar /Bachar
Cashner /missed a person?
Florine /Florine
SECOND ROW
Same
THIRD ROW
Calonica / Calonica
Kauk / missed a person??
L. Bridwell / L. Bridwell
Chapman / Chapman
Burke / Burke
? / ?
RD Caughron / ?
Barry / Barry
Stowe-/-- Stevens
Hechtel / Hechtel
Croft / Croft
White / White
? / Miller
Yager / Yager
Yager / Yager
We have a difference on Stevens vs Stowe. I got the ID for Stowe from Peter upthread.
And I now see Miller just had just put on a tie dyed shirt for photo 4!
Look again and see if you missed the two people.
In any event with one conflict we are down to 8 completely unidentified. Jeff Lowe is just going to have to ID Dennis Hennek for us I guess. Hard to believe the smiling gentleman is still eluding us.
This process is chewing up electrons unnecessarily. Perhaps I should just send Kevin the pictures? Can do jpg or surface mail. Belay that. It will take more intelligence than I have to downsize my pictures and they will be less distinct.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:25pm PT
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How about Kauk?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:27pm PT
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That is Ron Kauk.
Ken
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:38pm PT
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Kevin also ID'd Stevens as the laughing man in the back row of photo 2. The focus is poor but clothing and everything else is wrong for these to be one and the same individual.
Pretty amazing we have only one question at this point. Eight still unidentified.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:42pm PT
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Chuck wasn't drunk, nor "wanting to get laid," but I know from Frost that Chuck didn't feel well the whole event and attended quite reluctantly.
Sheridan Anderson died long before this event or these photos.
Notably missing from the event, Bob Kamps, Tom Higgins, and Pat Ament who were unable to attend, the latter of whom wrote (and or edited and proof-read) almost all of Frost's many documents that were submitted for trying to get Camp 4 on the National Register... (I guess I'm just trying to say, though unable to attend, I made my behind-the-scenes contribution, which was probably more important ultimately than being at the party). Higgins was recovering from surgery...
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N0_ONE
Social climber
Utah
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Aug 18, 2007 - 08:01pm PT
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Is that Timmy Oneal to the right of Chongo in the fourth pic?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 09:03pm PT
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"Croucher's" hair, hairline and facial proportions fit Osius. Looks a little thinner in 99 but about right.
In searching Osius I found she had written about Hugh Herr.
Not long after Hugh had gotten back oot and aboot I was climbing with him in the Gunks. He came to a crack and said, "Wait a bit." Took out an allen wrench saying, "I have to put on my crack feet." And he did. Just last week I saw a newspaper report about distance runners missing legs being denied entrance to races because their prostheses were giving them an unfair advantage. Photos of them showed them using the spring steel feet that Hugh developed.
And also Shaggy goes to O'Neal.
7 left
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:43pm PT
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RE:
"Croucher could be her. I know it looks like it could be a guy, so my apologies to her if I'm way off. The resolution of all these photos is poor."
hope this helps a little - Levels, Curves and Unsharp Mask...
the guy to our right of, and just behind Steve Roper in the above is Eric Beck
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:55pm PT
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which row is the unidentified in?
lemme see if I can blow it up and sharpen it for you...
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:06pm PT
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I don't know who those other people are Kevin - but Beck can be seen in the rear in both the sharpened pics I posted upthread (to our left of Roper in the top one)- it's him, I know those expressions from my years of climbing w/ him.
blowing the pics up much more is worthless - that's about as sharp as I can make them :)
cheers,
Ray
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:13pm PT
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best I can do...
guys, lemme know if there's any other edits you need
Kevin, RE: "And the guy with white white bushy hair in 1&2 ?"
negative.
R
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 12:17am PT
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This has been an amazing thread, do we have a definitive list yet?
Who is that guy up and left from Frost in that last photo? He was in another photo as well.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 12:27am PT
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They all make sense now.
Thanks everyone.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:27am PT
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Looks like the "Dangler" though I know it isn't.
Ken
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:36am PT
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Here is the picture of Alison in 1976 I was able to find. Twenty three years before the Yosemite ceremony. I leave it to the experts. For ease of reference perhaps we should consider this person as “not Osius”?
http://www.keyschool.org/news/detail.asp?pageaction=ViewSinglePublic&LinkID=158&ModuleID=243
The “Eric Beck” person is also fifth from the right in the last row of photo 2, as has been mentioned.
Upthread the person in the last row of photo 1 and left of Frost has been identified as Ken Boche, and has been pointed out upthread is more poorly visible as fourth from the left, last row of photo 2
The white bushy haired person in Photos 1&2 I have referred to as the “Smiling gentleman”. No one has suggested an ID. No one has suggested an ID either to the “not Henry Barber” third from left,front row photo 1.
If Alison is back in the unidentified column but with Beck identified, we are still left with 7 to find. On the other hand if that is her we are down to 6.
Quite a chase?
PS Up and left from Frost in photo 4 has been identified as Mark Chapman, upthread. Also in the last row of photo 3.
The only way I was able to keep track was to print out the photos and put arrows to all the people. Then it works pretty well.
Now this is far out. The unknown in the back row with the tilted head just to the right of Burke in photo 3 could almost be Vern Clevenger, provided he was unhappy with being behind an afro and decided to put on a better shirt. Not so far out when you theorize Miller may have been told to put a shirt on for photo 4. You guys know Vern right?
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 12:43am PT
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Didn't Kim Schmitz kick a little dog off a cliff?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:43am PT
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I searched some more, and still couldn't find a better quality copy of any of the photos. In fact, I couldn't find many at all. But I did find this one, which I've borrowed from another site, and which seems to fit:
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:46am PT
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cool.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:53am PT
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So the only guy I seem to recognize is this Warbler guy.
The rest of em kinda look old.
That's how the world looks to kids like me.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:54am PT
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Regarding Kim. (I talked to Kim 35 years ago)
We have a confusion of picture numbers. Kim is up and left of Frost in the original photo 2.
Up and left of Frost in the original photo 4 is Mark Chapman.
Perhaps Raydog (may I risk familiarity and use your given name?) can reorder and list his sharpened images to match the order in the original post? Huge improvement by the by.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:02am PT
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Don Lashier behind Galen and to the left of Frost?
Just a wild guess .....
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:09am PT
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RE:
"Perhaps Raydog (may I risk familiarity and use your given name?) can reorder and list his sharpened images to match the order in the original post? Huge improvement by the by."
working on it - pics will be numbered one through four, top to bottom, each unknown will be called out as, for example, 1A, 1B, according to the number of the pics - each individual will be named
and where space is limited I'll put a line w/ an arrowhead - piece of cake but it'll take a bit of time, perhaps post sometime tomorrow - cheers John.
Ray
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jstan
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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Upthread McKeown has been identified as third from left, front row in original picture 2. Immediately above that person is the same person found to Harding's right in original picture 1. Pack, sunglasses, hat, moustache, shirt, and attitude all the same.
In my research for this I came across something quite unbelievable. That, on occasion, there has been less than perfect relations between southern and northern Californians. I know that could never have been the case but were it to be true I would believe the person to Harding's right is Dennis Hennek. Does no one know him? I have to be wrong here?
I found a profile photo of Hennek from about the middle 60's
Not impossible.
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WBraun
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:10am PT
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I didn't go over there Crowley.
I'm too young for this stuff.
You have to be 1000 years old first.
layman's explanation, not good enough to belong there.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:23am PT
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Kevin:
May I take it your final list is in your personal order of priority?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:24am PT
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RE:
"Socal rules"
yes, but the bay seemed to produce better "chemicals", IMO.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:29am PT
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Hot and smoky, of late.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 01:48am PT
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This is the first time I had a chance to put one of my threads over 100, how many ID,s to go J stan?
Does anyone have some more group photos?
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:52am PT
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Notably missing from these photos, I'll stretch my first list: Bob Kamps, Pat Ament, Tom Higgins, Barry Bates, Chris Fredericks, Mark Klemens, Werner (and of course a few deceased such as Frank Sacherer, Bev Johnson... we could go back even to such names as Nelson and Salathe... maybe they
w e r e present...). I keep thinking of more...
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 01:54am PT
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Oli, Layton the great one...
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jstan
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:59am PT
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John:
Beats me. We will find out when RD puts together his pictures and the experts work with them. Half dozen maybe.
I expect Osius and Hennek are in there. Someone has to know the studious guy in the back and the smiling gentleman up front. Tune in tomorrow!!!!!
As to the more general question of inclusion, I have never seen the downside to including people.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 12:38pm PT
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 01:03pm PT
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guys, lemme know if it needs anything else thanks.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 19, 2007 - 02:34pm PT
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Marvellous detective work, Smithers'! I've recently been working on some family photos, trying to figure out who/when/where. Pretty intriguing stuff.
A quick e-mail to the American Alpine Club librarian on Monday morning may answer all remaining questions. (Edit: Although that wouldn't be nearly as much fun, and they might not have it right either.)
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 06:31pm PT
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ok - Image 2 draft two is up for review - I'll start #3
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 06:46pm PT
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Too bad we can't see what is on 1C/2H's tee shirt.
2E will be a problem
Only problem in p3 is the fellow behind Burke with the tilted head.
Closest resemblance is to Clevenger
Then 4 has three
not Osius
busy shirt( not Miller in his new tie dye)
at 7 o'clock from the Yagers
p1 still has a really tough problem. Who is that cut out of the picture just to the right of Frost? Eh? Looks like a her to me.
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 07:01pm PT
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Hey Jstan the cutoff head to the right of frost is Kim Schmit,s
I can see a bit more of him in the photo in the 2000 journal
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jstan
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 07:09pm PT
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Another garment change. The temperature must have been changing.
Results are coming together pretty well. Other than that I think I am beginning to get the drift of things here. Many thinks are becoming clearer.
Thanks
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 07:10pm PT
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thanks Ken
Russ Mitrovich
Cedar Wright
and the correct spelling of the younger Frost's first name (darn I forgot! sorry)
thanks
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 19, 2007 - 07:12pm PT
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Russ and Cedar.
Ken
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 08:27pm PT
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Image 3 draft 1 -
guys, sorry about all the unknowns and question marks - thought it might be easier to do it this way and be sure than to sift through the thread and sorta piece it together
please post your info for edits and errors - thanks
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 19, 2007 - 08:41pm PT
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3B maybe Ed Samson?
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N0_ONE
Social climber
Utah
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Aug 19, 2007 - 09:57pm PT
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A. Crowley to the left of T. O'Neal?
I thought that was Chongo.
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N0_ONE
Social climber
Utah
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Aug 19, 2007 - 10:25pm PT
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AC, is the joke on me, (your really Chongo and everybody else knows that) or were you just playing around?
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 10:28pm PT
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 19, 2007 - 11:11pm PT
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John H., yes Layton of course... how about Jeff Foote...
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 20, 2007 - 01:46am PT
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Kevin,
RD died while climbing on Makalu, possibly a heart attack. He was a great guy I used to see often when I lived in Berkeley.
Peter
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jstan
climber
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Aug 20, 2007 - 02:08am PT
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Very early on Mayfield had suggested 3c is Scott Stowe.
Very sorry to hear about RD. Whatever project one had, RD was always ready to provide assistance and enthusiasm.
Now that Chongo is back I no longer get the drift of things. Ah well. Say la Vee.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 20, 2007 - 10:57am PT
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thanks guys - I'll make some edits later this week B back Wed pm.
(gotta go hug a tree)
Ray :)
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 20, 2007 - 01:02pm PT
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Hi Kevin,
Was RD a yoga instructor in the Bay Area and close to the Bircheffs? I remeber the name, but I am having a tough time placing him.
For those who are interested in this gathering, it was filmed and then narrated by Tom Brokow. Vertical Frontier--DVD and Yosemite Celebration--VHS
I plan to re-watch the DVD and watch for the first time the longer VHS (if I can find a machine) and pick out all the folks in these pictures.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 20, 2007 - 01:59pm PT
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Pat, I see that you have taken exception to my flip response to John Hansen’s comment about Chuck looking serene.
As you know, Chuck had lots of interests and was very cultivated, in the classic sense. And, he was very much a regular guy. We spent more time talking about classical music and literature and writing than anything else, except maybe beautiful women. Chuck had a record collection—all classical, as far as I remember—that covered an entire wall. I think he stored them at his parent’s house when he was not living somewhere. We didn’t talk about one of his hobbies—fixing his VW--because I had lost interest after I rebuilt the engines of all my early VWs and then sold my station wagon to Chuck, after which he took up engine rebuilding and then took me to task for my lousy work. We also rarely talked about climbing, except when he and Steve were working on Ascent.
We shared many of the same tastes in beautiful women and could openly express envy at the other’s success. Chuck was very successful. As a great wordsmith, I always enjoyed Chuck’s descriptions of my girl friends. We were pretty close.
Chuck was also a great drinker. Chuck was lucid long after he couldn’t see straight or walk (and everyone else was passed out), and his personality stayed the same even if he got loud. Drinking probably did him more harm in his life than was good for him. But, he controlled it well enough and unlike some other climbers who drank too much, he was able to keep its negative effects limited. At the Camp 4 Celebration, Chuck was not on the main stage for the speechifying—it’s on the DVD—and Royal commented on his absence, referring to the drinking the evening before. Maybe Chuck had just had enough of the get together or maybe a huge hangover (I don't know--I was not there), but personally, I hope that it arose because he had been too successful. Chuck always had his own priorities straight.
My comment in response to John had a very straight forward intent. Chuck only asked one thing of the climbing community. He did not want to be deified in any degree: in his words “I don’t like it and it is not good for me.”
As a friend, I intend to stick by that request. Chuck would be very offended by the "Sainthood" that has been bestowed on him.
Best, Roger
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Aug 20, 2007 - 02:08pm PT
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Hey Kevin,
I had the wrong guy pictured as RD. I wish I could remember all the folks and details at the same level of clarity. More like patchy fog.
I am doing great, I think. M and the girls are great.
Yosemite is always on my mind. I cannot make it this fall--too much travel the other direction.
How are you doing? Sounds like you will be in the Valley at bit this Fall.
Best, Roger
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Tahoe Bill
Trad climber
ca
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Aug 20, 2007 - 02:39pm PT
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Hi Everybody,
The mystery 3A person, behind scotty burke is the late ERIC BRAND, RIP. I sure miss his big smile and kind heart.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 21, 2007 - 01:02pm PT
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Roger,
You are telling me things about Chuck I already know, such as about his record collection, his mechanical genius, etc. etc. I won't try to compare with you or with anyone my love for him or how well I understood and appreciated him. Nor was I thinking of you at all when I made my comment. I was only thinking of the remark (I hadn't even remembered who said it) that "he was probably drunk..." or whatever it was. However we may view Chuck retrospectively, and however we may speculate as to what he might like or not like us to think or say about him, I personally don't want to place upon his memory the notion that he was a drunk (or if absent "probably drunk"). I realize in no way were you doing that, but some younger reader perhaps who didn't know Chuck could possibly gather as much. Yes Chuck would be the first to admit he drank too much, and it might have been what killed him, but he was much more than that image. And many younger people who didn't have the blessing of knowing him might get some or other impression that might not do justice to his memory. Frost told me directly, a year ago, when I saw Tom last at Royal's cabin at Pinecrest, that Chuck was suffering healthwise, that for most of that Yosemite gathering he wasn't feeling well (and not related to any drinking at the time). Chuck was not at that talk because he was plain and simply ill, not because he needed to be off drinking, or other speculations. He wasn't well for quite a time, actually prior to his passing, and who knows what the nature of that illness was, cirrhosis, cancer, heart problems (?), but it was a real show of strength that he made the occasion, for which in my mind I pay him further tribute. I won't however, liken him to anyone who was more interested in drinking than being with his cherished compatriates... not that you intended to say such a thing. I know you weren't saying that, but some readers here might draw conclusions from offhand comments that meant no harm. I certainly do not question your spirit of intent. Not in the least. I view you as one of many of us who were Chuck's friends and dutiful admirers.
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2007 - 01:02am PT
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So Raydog,,,, where is the last pic? The world wants to know.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 26, 2007 - 05:08pm PT
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So that is it? Remaining are:
1C/2H
2E
4A-Busy shirt
4B-7 o'clock from young Yager
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 26, 2007 - 05:11pm PT
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RE:
" So Raydog,,,, where is the last pic? The world wants to know."
truth is I had to dismantle my workstation to get ready to move...so the PC with the relevant files and Illustrator is boxed up right now.
kinda sucks - sorry - had to do it.
John I wanted to get each pic dialed, then post all four in a row with the camp 4 historic plaque that Anders posted at the top - may be while...
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Aug 27, 2007 - 08:00pm PT
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I'm wondering if the smiling guy (1C/2H) is Mike Sherrick (1st ascent of half dome NW face). He was still climbing around 1999. Used to run into him in Tuolumne with TM.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 27, 2007 - 10:21pm PT
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There are several climbing-related plaques scattered around the Valley. The new Camp 4 one, the Raffi Bedayan one below Columbia Boulder, Le Comte memorial, and maybe others. If it would be helpful, I could take pictures of all while at the FaceLift.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 29, 2007 - 10:48pm PT
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Looks very much like 1C/2H is Mike Sherrick. How many could have a smile like that?
So that is it? Remaining are:
2E
4A-Busy shirt
4B-7 o'clock from young Yager
Just three. That's pretty good.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 29, 2007 - 11:35pm PT
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I think you guys are right. Sherrick was there.
Ken
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 29, 2007 - 11:35pm PT
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I think you guys are right. Sherrick was there.
Ken
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2008 - 12:06am PT
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Bump for edit.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 28, 2008 - 01:46am PT
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4B-7 o'clock from young Yager
Miles Smart
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john hansen
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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Had to give this one a bump...
I think quite a few of the people in the picture's have joined super T since this was last posted. Thought they might like to check it out.
Was everyone finally identified?
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BooDawg
Social climber
Polynesian Paradise
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Oct 23, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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I searched for a thread dealing with this event before I posted mine, but my search came up empty. So I posted this one last night, and it contains a group portrait of the 50’s-60’s climbers, similar to photo #1 here.:
Camp 4 Reunion, Yosemite 9/25/99
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1297459&tn=0&dpid=PD0-ND45IiMl
If you check it out, you’ll see that I posted links to 5 videos that were made on that day, including one of the photo session in C4. In addition, I posted a BUNCH of close-up portraits of those climbers whom I knew best during my climbing days there.
I’ve read this entire thread, and it’s SO GREAT to see everyone collaborating on getting the names right on these photos!
Kevin, thanks so much for your kind words in remembering me.
Roger, I can’t believe the AAC kept you and Bridwell and others away! We don’t need no stinking applications!
I can only offer suggestions about photos 1 & 2. Not much else needs to be said except IMHO:
Dennis Hennek was mentioned several times up-thread; he did not attend the event. At the time, he was living about 3 miles from me on the Island of Hawaii. It was really great to have someone living so close to me that I’d also shared so many experiences with in the mountains. There wasn’t anyone else with in 2500 miles that KNEW what the climbing life was really all about. We had a nice talk just before I left the Island to come to the reunion and after I returned; he was sad not to be able to attend, but was glad to hear the stories.
Photo 1:
Back row, L to R: Jim Donini, Lloyd Price, Ed Cooper (black hat), Chris Jones (white hair), Glen Denny (beard & glasses), Steve Roper (forehead, black hair, mustache), Eric Beck, Ken Boche (not Kroger, Roger), Tom Frost, (Kim Schmitz?, barely visible).
Middle Row: Doug Robinson, Sybille Hechtel, TM Herbert, Chuck Pratt, Galen Rowell, Allen Steck.
Front Row: Harry Daley? (See below), Don Lauria, Joe McKeown, Warren Harding.
Photo #2
Back Row: Jim Donini, Jerry Anderson, Drone Stevens, Ken Boche, Glen Denny, Eric Beck, Steve Roper, Lloyd Price, Jerry Gallwas.
Middle Row: Royal Robbins, TM Herbert, Joe McKeown, Don Lauria, Chris Jones, Warren Harding (in front of Jones), Galen Rowell, Harry Daley? (not Sherrick who was taller than this guy; Harry Daley was short and built like this guy.) George Whitmore.
Front Row: Rick Sylvester, Chuck Pratt, Jeff Foott, Kim Schmitz (squatting behind), Tom Frost, Yvon Chouinard, Allen Steck, Doug Robinson.
RD Caughron: Pic 3, Back row, #7 from left, mostly hidden. Here he is from that day. I cried when I learned of his death on Makalu, only time (so far) my daughter has seen me cry. Kevin: At the time that RD died, he was probably the most experienced American actively climbing very high mountains in the Himalaya. He was NOT a yoga teacher.
Jstan: Does what I have summarized here jive with your accounting?
Allison Osius was AAC president at the time and was the emcee for the evening’s activities. There was speculation up-thread that she was in some of these pictures. I didn’t see her in any of those that are here... I think she was in the pic that was taken of the women climbers, but it’s not here, so I’m guessing that it was not published in the AAJ. Is that her, third from the right in the back row of the one of the women that I took? To see what she looked like on that day, check out the videos on the other thread.
Can we name all these women? :-)
Liz Robbins and Sibille Hechtel are #4 & #6 from left in the front row...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 23, 2010 - 02:01am PT
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All this, and no photo of the Camp 4 plaque. Well, that's easily fixed.
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